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It took a bit of cussing here to figure out how to get the stock to fold. There is a trick to it. Push the button down, put left pressure on the buttstock with the palm of your hand to relieve the pressure in the locking area, jiggle( technical term) and lift up. It takes some practice but it locks up solid.
Thanks for the input Dave. I've done my fair share of cussing over this issue for sure!! It's so tight it's like a fixed stock. I live in Vegas, so Im gonna drop by one of Sig's premier dealers tomorrow and see what they say. I've literally tried every way, hand combo, etc... you could possibly try. I'm 100% convinced there's a problem. My 2 buddies had issues also. The Cross rifle they had at the dealer (on display) the stock folded pretty easy, not even close to mine. I checked the rifle out and it was good to go- I thought that was going to be my rifle. What I found out later is they actually had another one in the box all packaged up (in backroom) that was actually mine.

If Sig says this is the way it is, I'll just sell it and buy another rifle. No sense being frustrated as hell over a rifle I'm already starting to hate. I do like the new Springfield Armory 2020 rifles!!
 

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I shot mine some more yesterday. All the Rl16, 45.0 grs, I could get in the case with a 130. 2720 FPS w/ 18 1/2" barrel. Pressure was pretty warm but no change in bolt lift. I did shoot one more factory 130 gr. offering. High pressures. Ejector pin marks. As expected bolt lift got harder.
 
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I was just screwing around with the folder on mine. I put a dab of grease on the lower locking surface and it made a noticeable difference on mine. Not as sticky. YMMV
 

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I shot mine some more yesterday. All the Rl16, 45.0 grs, I could get in the case with a 130. 2720 FPS w/ 18 1/2" barrel. Pressure was pretty warm but no change in bolt lift. I did shoot one more factory 130 gr. offering. High pressures. Ejector pin marks. As expected bolt lift got harder.
Teach the ignorant (me) - do the high chamber pressures have any consequence other than a stickier bolt? Does it mean the rifle will eventually fail, break faster, affect accuracy, etc?
 

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Teach the ignorant (me) - do the high chamber pressures have any consequence other than a stickier bolt? Does it mean the rifle will eventually fail, break faster, affect accuracy, etc?
First everything and anything can affect accuracy. Rifles are like women, they all like something different. Even when different is the same thing. Safe higher pressures are not hazardous. And will not affect the useable life span of the rifle. High pressures will, to some degree, shorten the barrel life. This rifle was designed for the 277 Fury round that has much higher pressures so the only thing you can wear out is the barrel. I got harder bolt lift because of brass flowing into the ejector pin hole. Common with any rifle.
 

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I was just screwing around with the folder on mine. I put a dab of grease on the lower locking surface and it made a noticeable difference on mine. Not as sticky. YMMV
I seriously appreciate all the suggestions guys. I even tried the grease. I think the tolerance is too tight (somewhere) I have noticed when folded the stock does move up and down slightly as supposed to, but when stock is in shooting position trying to get that same movement to fold the stock is very difficult.

I did go back to the seller last night with the rifle and talk to the manager. I asked 5 guys (employees) to fold the stock and only 1 could get it to fold, but after some serious struggle. - going to send back to Sig and see what they say.
 

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Any sage wisdom on hunting/accuracy loads for 308? Planning to work up 168gr Barnes TTSX and Varget for black bear and deer. Unless someone has suggestions or guidance to consider other brands, weight, etc.?
I'm moving and didn't have much time to do load development with a bunch of bullets yet, but 168gr Nosler BT's @ 2.85" over 41.8gr AR-Comp in Hornady cases with CCI 200s works well and gives ~ 2,595 fps (with a suppressor). Something along those lines could be worth a try, much higher than 42 and I get ejector marks, but you might be able to do a bit more with a less sucky brand of brass.

I was just screwing around with the folder on mine. I put a dab of grease on the lower locking surface and it made a noticeable difference on mine. Not as sticky. YMMV
I greased the locking surfaces on mine right away (bearing surfaces under pressure can almost always use some grease IMO), and it smoothed up nicely.
 
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Glad to find out about this QC concern before I buy one. Lets see what SIG says, how they re-act. It has taken forever for them to get them to market, perhaps they rushed it cuz all the distributors raising hell.

Doubt we're ever gonna see the .277 Fury
 

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I was just screwing around with the folder on mine. I put a dab of grease on the lower locking surface and it made a noticeable difference on mine. Not as sticky. YMMV
This!
Two drops of mobil1 on the hinge shaft and a dab of grease on the bearing surfaces...changed the folder from a two handed operation,to an easy one hand job.
(Work it open and close for a few minutes, then wipe of excess)
 

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I found a cross in creedmoor at Bass Pro in Round Rock Texas. Apparently it was there for two weeks. I attached some weight pictures for reference. I have ARC low rings on the Leupold Mark 6, but I need slightly higher rings to clear the scope a bit more. Also added a picture of the whole package including my dead air Sandman S. Looks like it will be right at 11lbs by the time I add a bipod. The bolt lift makes me realize how terrible my remington 700 really was. Hope to get out and shoot it this week.

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After spending a fair amount of time with a pre-production Cross in .277, I took possession of a production 6.5 today. Gotta say, the fit and finish is much improved, as I hoped it would be. I liked the Cross concept, but had reservations about the folder mechanism, bolt operation, and a few other things. All of my concerns appear to be fixed/improved in the initial handling of the production rifle. Excited to get to the range with it soon.
 

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Picked up my 6.5 yesterday, mounted my leupold 6x-hd and took it out for some fresh air today. After break-in, groups (5 round) were .213, .425, .700...hornady match 140gr, precision hunter, American whitetail...groups were shot at 100 yards. No issues with folder as long as you read the instructions and lift while closing...she is a shooter!
 

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Pretty impressed so far. Picked up on Thursday and put rounds down range yesterday. Only had 10 rounds of factory Hornady 140 ELD's but they went into half-inch and 5/8 inch 5-shot groups. Played around with some home-rolled 123 gr Noslers over Staball 6.5 and had a couple of half inch 3-shot groups (yeah, yeah, I know) at 44.3 grains. Basically just trying to get a feel for the Staball. These were loaded on my 550. Looking forward to playing with that combo some more.

My 140 grain BTSP Sierra/RL17 hunting loads hovered around 3/4 inch.

Folding the stock is an acquired skill but mine is not too difficult after getting a feel for it. The mag release is gonna take a bit of getting used to but I think it makes sense on a hunting rifle.

9 pounds 15 ounces as pictured with optic & suppressor.
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I will probably b e there with you
I thought the camo would be nice, but then realized the price difference (estimated, in Canukistan we still haven't got any yet) is the cost of a cerakote job of my preference... or a lot of Krylon 🤣
 

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Going to pick mine up at the Portland, Oregon Sportsman's Warehouse. Any sling recommendations? Are there any QD points on the stock? The manual is unclear. Thanks for the thread and to all.
 

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Going to pick mine up at the Portland, Oregon Sportsman's Warehouse. Any sling recommendations? Are there any QD points on the stock? The manual is unclear. Thanks for the thread and to all.
All the reviews I have watched/read so far indicate Sig failed to put a QD cup on the forend, but there is one on the rear. I am thinking the Viking Tactics Sniper sling, or a Magpul MS1 perhaps??
 

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Going to pick mine up at the Portland, Oregon Sportsman's Warehouse. Any sling recommendations? Are there any QD points on the stock? The manual is unclear. Thanks for the thread and to all.

There's a reversible QD socket on the right side of the stock just above the length adjustment mechanism. No socket built in to the rail, but you can pick up an M-lok socket and stick it wherever you want. I put a Midway AR-Stoner two point sling on mine, seems pretty nice for the price, and works well.
 
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Many thanks, and of course I'm in Oregon background check purgatory. Sportsman's Warehouse is "4000" Oregon State Police checks backlogged and they need at least 10 days. I can go to the local gunshop and walk out with a new long gun.o_O
 

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Any sage wisdom on hunting/accuracy loads for 308? Planning to work up 168gr Barnes TTSX and Varget for black bear and deer. Unless someone has suggestions or guidance to consider other brands, weight, etc.?
Getting decent accuracy (MOA give or take ) with 48.5 grains of CFE223 and 168TTSX and getting 2787 fps. This is my hunting load for the season starting Wednesday. I have had some struggles with accuracy with other loads though. I was hoping to get around 1/2 moa, but I have not met that yet. The CFE seems pretty erratic with most loads except for the TTSX. I only got 2550 ish with varget.
 
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Any factory 308 ammo suggestions? I tried the Sig Elite Hunter ammo and the accuracy was atrocious 3" groups at best. 168 GMM was about .75 moa, but was looking for higher velocity from the 16" barrel. Thanks fellas
 

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Enjoy reading the range reports and seeing the pics, thanks for sharing them!
Had a chance to put a few more down range this weekend while getting ready for deer season. Wanted to function test a new 10 round Pmag and check zero suppressed. Had some 165 grain (.308) game kings over Varget that were loaded to spec length for my Thompson. The grass is too tall to shot off a bench so shot standing off a tripod at a 100 yards through the Mesquite trees. All 10 were center of a paper plate within about a 3/4” vertical and 1 1/2“ horizontal spread, didn’t bother trying to hold for wind.
Still impressed with the smooth action and trigger break of this rifle. It most likely will take the place of the Grendel this season if I can manage to run the bolt well enough for follow up shots on the pig mobs.
 
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I was able to pick one up the week before last in 6.5CM. When I got it home I went over everything and was thoroughly impressed by some of the bells and whistles included in this firearm (it just seems very well thought out). The stock was simple enough to fold over on mine, and locks up very rigid. The trigger seemed exceptionally light, like way lighter than the Geissele Super 417 trigger on my MR762, or even that of my Sig SSG3000. I measured it twice with the initial pull at 2.9 pounds and the second at 2.75 pounds.

I installed a Nightforce NXS 5.5-22x56 on mine and it still feels quite handy with the low weight and short overall length. Zeroing was a breeze and recoil was still quite light. Though shooting from a long (communal) bench, it still grouped well with 0.69MOA observed from the Sig Elite Hunter Tipped 130gr. 6.5CM ammo. I plan on getting some Prime 130gr. match ammo to really see what it's capable of.

Overall I'm very impressed with this rifle.
 

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If anybody knows where to find one of these in .308 in VA, I'd sure like to hear from them.
 

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Ours came in Tuesday. Cutting orders for CFW barrels in 6.5CM. Mine and Tracy's will be green in color. Making one for Tooley also but his will be red/brown in color.

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Please show some pictures once done :D and maybe weight savings/length etc..
 
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Ours came in Tuesday. Cutting orders for CFW barrels in 6.5CM. Mine and Tracy's will be green in color. Making one for Tooley also but his will be red/brown in color.

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Once I get the gun itself, I'll be VERY interested to hear what you'll be able to do with it. I'm not a precision shooter... I'm looking at as a backup for my scout rifle. I want it as light as possible but still have a threaded barrel.
 

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    I'm guessing I'll need at least 2 barrels for it, maybe 3
    .308 in probably 20"
    6.5 CM in probably 24"
    .277 Sig Fury

    The one I will hopefully pickup on Saturday is the 18" 6.5CM

    Has anyone seen the .277 Sig Fury ammunition commercially available yet?
     

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    Seems like some good reviews. Can anyone comment on the bolt smoothness and lift compared to say a Tikka, or some of the other nice custom rifles out there. Just out of curiosity wanted to see what people think of it. Also, how would you compare it to the Tikka Tac A1?
     

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    Seems like some good reviews. Can anyone comment on the bolt smoothness and lift compared to say a Tikka, or some of the other nice custom rifles out there. Just out of curiosity wanted to see what people think of it. Also, how would you compare it to the Tikka Tac A1?
    It isn't quite Tikka-smooth (compared to my T3X; don't have a Tac A1), but it is very smooth for a production rifle. Lift and cycling feels great.
     

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    Thanks for the input Dave. I've done my fair share of cussing over this issue for sure!! It's so tight it's like a fixed stock. I live in Vegas, so Im gonna drop by one of Sig's premier dealers tomorrow and see what they say. I've literally tried every way, hand combo, etc... you could possibly try. I'm 100% convinced there's a problem. My 2 buddies had issues also. The Cross rifle they had at the dealer (on display) the stock folded pretty easy, not even close to mine. I checked the rifle out and it was good to go- I thought that was going to be my rifle. What I found out later is they actually had another one in the box all packaged up (in backroom) that was actually mine.

    If Sig says this is the way it is, I'll just sell it and buy another rifle. No sense being frustrated as hell over a rifle I'm already starting to hate. I do like the new Springfield Armory 2020 rifles!!
    It took me a while to figure out too and was such a pain that I made I video on it. Once you learn how, it breaks real easily. The best way is to lay the rifle across your leg, then grab the grip with your left hand and push the button with your right hand. Now you want to push the grip away from you while pulling the stock towards you, using opposing forces to lift the stock from the hinge. It doesn't take much force at all if you do it right. Let me know if you need any more explanation.

     

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    The best way is to lay the rifle across your leg, then grab the grip with your left hand and push the button [and twist and push the stock too] with your right hand [to fold it]. Now you want to...

    What you are describing is a major design flaw.
     

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    What you are describing is a major design flaw.
    A "major design flaw"? Not sure a stiff folding mechanism qualifies as anything "major", let alone a design flaw. I just watched the video and I get it. He is using pressure from his leg as his 3rd hand and that is fine with me. I want it tight. I don't want it to wear loose. My Galil Ace requires some effort to fold as well, but far less to unfold. I hope they don't change that.
     
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    A "major design flaw"? Not sure a stiff folding mechanism qualifies as anything "major", let alone a design flaw. I just watched the video and I get it. He is using pressure from his leg as his 3rd hand and that is fine with me. I want it tight. I don't want it to wear loose. My Galil Ace requires some effort to fold as well, but far less to unfold. I hope they don't change that.
    Do you own or operate these rifles? It requires a 3-DOF unlocking manouvre before it folds. Folding action and the locking/unlocking action are two distinct things. Just because one is tight (or isnt), doesn't mean the other is tight (or isnt). The un-folding to deploy the stock isny any issue AFAIK.
     
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    Seems like some good reviews. Can anyone comment on the bolt smoothness and lift compared to say a Tikka, or some of the other nice custom rifles out there. Just out of curiosity wanted to see what people think of it. Also, how would you compare it to the Tikka Tac A1?
    I did the preproduction accuracy barrels. Never had a rifle in my hands until Shot and knowing it was a prototype I really didn't pay that much attention to the operation. I'm a cynic and was expecting something less than what I received in the production rifles. A little lube on the folder and good close choke hold at the hinge and I'm happy. I never had hard bolt lift until brass flowed into the ejector pin hole.

    I will be chambering for the 277 Fury . Ammo availability is the question. Then reloading data. My guess is we're a long way that happening. But I don't really know.
    Hi,

    I should have thrown a couple Carbon Fiber barrels onto that last order of LH GT through Dave.

    Sincerely,
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    Just got to WY after three days of driving. I'll be doing 277 Fury barrels but I have no idea when ammo is going to be available.
     

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    All set up and hitting the range tomorrow with 143 eld-x, 129 American whitetail and 140 federal non typical. Pretty much everything I could find on the shelf locally.

    Also swapped the low arc rings for the mediums on the Leupold Mark 6, it’s better at this height but I probably could have gotten away with the high rings as I have the cheek comb all the way down currently.
     

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    Was able to put 60 rounds trough the rifle today with no issues, the Hornady Precision Hunter 143 ELD-X really shined (if I could have kept from pulling shots). Super happy with the rifle and recoil as it definitely has less than my Remington 700 in 308. Next time I go, I'll take it to 200 and 300 since thats the longest I have available until I can get out to a friends place.

    As an aside, they guy next to me was shooting a factory ruger precision rifle in 6.5 PRC that he told everyone at the range was a "1/3 MOA all day" rifle. He proceeded to shoot one sub MOA group out of the 16 groups he shot. Some people.
     

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    Was able to put 60 rounds trough the rifle today with no issues, the Hornady Precision Hunter 143 ELD-X really shined (if I could have kept from pulling shots). Super happy with the rifle and recoil as it definitely has less than my Remington 700 in 308. Next time I go, I'll take it to 200 and 300 since thats the longest I have available until I can get out to a friends place.

    As an aside, they guy next to me was shooting a factory ruger precision rifle in 6.5 PRC that he told everyone at the range was a "1/3 MOA all day" rifle. He proceeded to shoot one sub MOA group out of the 16 groups he shot. Some people.
    What—you didn’t have any dimes with you to cover those fliers for the pictures?

    Thanks for the honest and straightforward results.
     

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    What—you didn’t have any dimes with you to cover those fliers for the pictures?

    Thanks for the honest and straightforward results.
    Ha I did have a guy to my right with a brake on a 18" 308 that made me jump a bit so two groups didn't make the cut because they were truly useless!
     

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    All set up and hitting the range tomorrow with 143 eld-x, 129 American whitetail and 140 federal non typical. Pretty much everything I could find on the shelf locally.

    Also swapped the low arc rings for the mediums on the Leupold Mark 6, it’s better at this height but I probably could have gotten away with the high rings as I have the cheek comb all the way down currently.
    I have the Leupold MK 6HD on mine....went with Vortex Precision Matched rings, low..... clearance is minimal, which is the way I like it. As with you, cheek rest is as low as she goes and is perfect
     

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    I have the Leupold MK 6HD on mine....went with Vortex Precision Matched rings, low..... clearance is minimal, which is the way I like it. As with you, cheek rest is as low as she goes and is perfect
    That’s good to hear, on mine the bump on the scope mag ring was actually hitting the pic rail once I went to about 12x on it.