You mean like this SWAT team!! LOL
I don’t want to take a squirt gun to the chest. Nor a pellet rifle.
If you're trying to argue that 9X19 is not a good choice for a defensive cartridge.......STOP
I’m not
Pistol caliber carbines are a joke in today’s world of body armor. Shoot 223. Penetrate armor. Create massive wounds.
No one was discussing body armor!
100% why I went from 45 to 9mm. When I carried a 1911, I could do 3 extra magazines on my person. 25-33 rounds.
Pelvic girdle.
I read this in hunting discussions often.
That and bullet design. I've gotten into more than a couple arguments with people when I try to explain to them that 55gr Vmax out of an AR is a fantastic deer cartridge. DRT pretty much every time.
Im sure lack of experience adds to that. Many states have caliber restrictions that encourage this.
Thats interesting to me, compared to my 170 grain 350 legend hornady white tail round..that 55 grain VMAX has an additional 1,000 FPS of velocity at 200 yards, and only 118 Ft lbs less of energy at that same distance. Im willing to bet it takes a deer just fine. If we could hunt with that round here, I would.
seems like they have problems hitting the target as it is.
Moment Florida cop misakes ACORN for shots fired
Deputy Jesse Hernandez of Okaloosa County, Florida, thought he was being shot at when he heard the innocent acorn drop onto the hood of his car.www.dailymail.co.uk
Have you gotten positive reviews of your truck sitting in the parking lot at the end of each one?
Yes, and that's not a parking lot... That's actually an airport runway that my former firm did the engineering and design for, and it was a FAA project I oversaw the daily on-site engineering ops from beginning to end. Occasionally I drove my personal vehicle there.
I once had the privilege of taking a class with a retired CAG guy. During a break I asked him about handgun caliber preferences. His response was something along the lines of, "I've found it doesn't really matter, if you shoot them in the face."
seems like they have problems hitting the target as it is.
Moment Florida cop misakes ACORN for shots fired
Deputy Jesse Hernandez of Okaloosa County, Florida, thought he was being shot at when he heard the innocent acorn drop onto the hood of his car.
I was a cop for 25 years but things were different from 1980-2005. They no longer want to pay cops well and they treat them like shit It’s hard to get great people to be cops these days so some cops are bound to be shit. Lots of great guys as cops these days but unfortunately the turd level is high also
A friend hunted deer with 223 with 55 grain soft points for many years. He had great success. He could shoot well though
In some areas they’ve never paid cops well.
Are you looking back from the other end of that tunnel ?
Oh yeah. I am a super Fudd for having a light on a gun I use day and night. Seriously though I couldn't care less how somebody uses their gear. That is the antithesis of tunnel bias. I'd talk more but I've decided to start a you tube channel and tell everybody how to use their stuff like i use mine because that's the only way.
They use weatherby super magnums for 120 pound white tail
I beg to differ. I can barely find pants that fit around here. Seems the minimum waist size is a 35. That would suggest a rather generous groin target area. Maybe a tiny cock and balls, but I’m not passing judgment…
I’m of the same mindset for multiple reasons.So, I’m going to swerve away from the crowd for just a second. I’m also going to constrain the following to concealed or everyday carry. You do you with you home defense situation.
Let me preface this with, I have a red dot on my carry gun. And, it is light capable, though I haven’t bought one for it yet.
That out of the way; given the constraints that ol’ Hackathorn put on the discussion- which was something like 10 feet- a red dot isn’t faster than irons. Hell, that’s basically hold the gun out and fire range.
As to the light. Once long ago, I ran into a work situation where I needed a flashlight while talking on the phone with our tech support (which prevented me using the phone light). I now EDC a small flashlight. I have not used that light in an EDC situation. I have used that light, but never has it “saved the day” because it was in my pocket at just the right time. Additionally, outside of navigating to or from a hunting spot, or sweeping the back yard to find our dog, I can’t ever really remember needing additional light to see.
Where I am going with this is, our everyday life is typically so lit up (sunlight, streetlights, room lights, electric signs, etc) that we are rarely (practically never) in a situation with too little light to see- at least when not jumping out of bed because of a “knock in the night.” When was the last time you were out and about doing your everyday thing and thought “wow, I could really use a flashlight?” Outside of a theater, probably never.
Combine almost never need a flashlight with almost never need a pistol and you almost never need a pistol with a light.
A red dot makes a pistol a bit more difficult to conceal. A light makes a pistol more difficult to conceal. Yes, yes, I know you are all concealing HK Mk23s with D cell mag lights hose-clamped to them. But the fact remains that a pistol with a dot and a light is both bigger and heavier, requiring a physically larger holster, than a pistol without.
So, from a very reductionist perspective- almost never need a pistol, almost never need a light, almost never need the sights- ol’ Hackathorn may have an argument.
Now, am I going to pull the dot off my pistol? Nope. Am I going to stop shopping for a light? Nope. Am I saying you should remove the dot and/or light from your pistol. Nope.
But, you’re probably never going to need it.
Says the guy who’s terrified of buying from the classifieds on this forum.Snag points ?
Or...hear me out....have a flashlight in your pocket for non threats and one on. The fun gun for known threats.
The odds of you ever needing a gun are ~0 statistically.
This is so wrong it's laughable
I carry a Fenix PD25 flashlight in my pocket that has four levels of illumination, up to 550 or so, and use it almost every single day. I've reached the age where it definitely helps me find stuff in dim light, or even just under a table or in a cabinet.So, I’m going to swerve away from the crowd for just a second. I’m also going to constrain the following to concealed or everyday carry. You do you with you home defense situation.
Let me preface this with, I have a red dot on my carry gun. And, it is light capable, though I haven’t bought one for it yet.
That out of the way; given the constraints that ol’ Hackathorn put on the discussion- which was something like 10 feet- a red dot isn’t faster than irons. Hell, that’s basically hold the gun out and fire range.
As to the light. Once long ago, I ran into a work situation where I needed a flashlight while talking on the phone with our tech support (which prevented me using the phone light). I now EDC a small flashlight. I have not used that light in an EDC situation. I have used that light, but never has it “saved the day” because it was in my pocket at just the right time. Additionally, outside of navigating to or from a hunting spot, or sweeping the back yard to find our dog, I can’t ever really remember needing additional light to see.
Where I am going with this is, our everyday life is typically so lit up (sunlight, streetlights, room lights, electric signs, etc) that we are rarely (practically never) in a situation with too little light to see- at least when not jumping out of bed because of a “knock in the night.” When was the last time you were out and about doing your everyday thing and thought “wow, I could really use a flashlight?” Outside of a theater, probably never.
Combine almost never need a flashlight with almost never need a pistol and you almost never need a pistol with a light.
A red dot makes a pistol a bit more difficult to conceal. A light makes a pistol more difficult to conceal. Yes, yes, I know you are all concealing HK Mk23s with D cell mag lights hose-clamped to them. But the fact remains that a pistol with a dot and a light is both bigger and heavier, requiring a physically larger holster, than a pistol without.
So, from a very reductionist perspective- almost never need a pistol, almost never need a light, almost never need the sights- ol’ Hackathorn may have an argument.
Now, am I going to pull the dot off my pistol? Nope. Am I going to stop shopping for a light? Nope. Am I saying you should remove the dot and/or light from your pistol. Nope.
But, you’re probably never going to need it.
