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NRL Hunter One

Hats off to guys like Travis and Scott, and the mds putting matches on. I’m sure it’s exhausting hearing the constant barrage of comments from guys that know they could do a better job if they were in charge.
In fact I know it wears on them.
I think you're missing the point. I'm actually grateful they are doing their own thing instead of complaining about PRS on the internet. How many threads can you find on snipers hide where people bash on PRS but aren't willing to run a match? Some people are just pointing out some of the critiques that PRS has, which NRL hunter also has. Nothing will ever be perfect, just shoot and complain less.
 
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Have you even shot a match??
I literally watched a guy win a match without a tripod last year! Handheld vortex RF binos at every stage. He WON the match.
Sub 1/2 minute rifle for hunter series?Seriously?!
What exactly is your problem with the matches? You shoot a match and not place high enough?
It's suppose to be blind stages, your not suppose to watch him??? Nah jk. Who was it and which location did he win the match at?
 
I agree with you about the bashing on PRS. I hate seeing it.
But I think the NRL hunter series is a different type of match and I strongly disagree that it is just another gear race. Sure you need a rifle that can shoot moa. You definitely do NOT need a sub 1/2 moa rifle. And yes you are better off with RF binos (seen used vortex for $5-600). You definitely do not need a $1000 tripod. Can a beginner win a match? Probably not, but not because he doesn’t have the right gear. Like I said, guys are winning matches with factory rifles and for at least one not even bringing a tripod. I don’t know how you could make it less of a gear race.
I actually like shooting PRS matches and wish there were more matches out west.
 
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Bottom line is your complaining about prs bashing and what exactly are you doing to NRL hunter series??

I think more matches of all disciplines is a good thing, including PRS, NRL Hunter, CD, Vortex Sniper, etc.

But I also think it’s dumb to hear people claiming that NRL Hunter is somehow better because it’s more “practical” and not a gear race, which couldnt be further from the truth.
 
I talked with him at awards ceremony asswipe
I thought you said you watched him? I’m just trying to take what you say and have a grown conversation, but if I’m hurting your feelings I’ll stop.
 
Don't know of any sports where there's no gear race?

Marathon - Runners try to get the lightest shoes out there, some even custom made.

Golf - players buy expensive clubs, and buy the latest balls that are supposed to fly further.

Boat racing, auto racing, motorcycle racing, airplane racing, etc. Everyone is trying to get the most out of their equipment, and are happy to spend money where they think it will improve their performance.

Precision Rifle is no different.
 
Bottom line is your complaining about prs bashing and what exactly are you doing to NRL hunter series??
Its obvious what he is doing. Cries like a little bitch when anyone has something critical to say of PRS and has spent this entire thread bitching about NRL hunter despite never having shot one or plans to. Did nothing but talk shit about NRL and border wars.

He is a Shannon sycophant, living up to PRS reputation of acting like a shitbag and trying to hurt other leagues.

Just ignore him, he has nothing worth listening to.
 
I thought you said you watched him? I’m just trying to take what you say and have a grown conversation
I think you're missing the point.
I apologize - you are right. I should not have called you names, totally childish. And I should have worded my post better to indicate I was at a match and I was aware of the top shooter winning and he handheld his binos. We were talking at the awards ceremony about hunting and he made the comment that he has been hunting and looking for game so long that he did not need a tripod. I thought that was incredible. I always use a tripod to glass when hunting.
And you are right I am missing your point (and LVs). I am sure you are both well meaning and have good points. It just seemed to me that you guys were complaining about the NRL hunter series because you didn't approve of prs bashing and the nrl hunter series had the same issues. I don't see the two as similar as you guys do.

Very few beginners start out as top level shooters. Some do for sure, but not many. Rusty was mentioned earlier on, he's a good buddy of mine. First PRS match we shot together in Nebraska he finished somewhere around 100th place. I did worse lol. He spent considerable energy getting to where he's at now.
In the 3 matches I shot last year met a lot of new shooters who really enjoyed the matches.
 
Guess I don't understand how it's pointless. As a match director you're relying somewhat on the shooter's integrity, just as you're relying on it they won't shoot someone purposely.
Also, each rifle is chronographed and results recorded. If someone said they are running a 140 gr in their creed and they chronographed at 2,900+, I think there would be questions to be answered.
If you really want to cheat, you can usually find a way.

In USPSA level II and higher matches, everyone puts 8 rounds in a sandwich baggie with their name on it. Those get taken away to the chrono stage run by two ROs. They pull the bullet off one round and weigh it. They fire three rounds through your pistol over a calibrated chrono and figure an average MV. With those two numbers they calculate the PF of your ammo. PF is calculated, not guessed or estimated.

In fact, at the chrono stage several other aspects of your firearm and equipment are checked for compliance. There is a whole chapter in the USPSA rulebook about the chrono stage including setup, calibration of all measurement devices, and how shooters are processed.

We pay $150 - $180 for level 2 matches and $250 and up for level 3 matches.

If I'm paying several hundred dollars for a match, I want to KNOW that everyone's ammo and gear is checked, not guessed at.

I'm used to a certain level of professionalism and oversight at a match I'm paying several hundred dollars to attend.


That is why it's so fucking hard for me to take all these new rifle sports seriously.
 
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In USPSA level II and higher matches, everyone puts 8 rounds in a sandwich baggie with their name on it. Those get taken away to the chrono stage run by two ROs. They pull the bullet off one round and weigh it. They fire three rounds through your pistol over a calibrated chrono and figure an average MV. With those two numbers they calculate the PF of your ammo. PF is calculated, not guessed or estimated.

In fact, at the chrono stage several other aspects of your firearm and equipment are checked for compliance. There is a whole chapter in the USPSA rulebook about the chrono stage including setup, calibration of all measurement devices, and how shooters are processed.

We pay $150 - $180 for level 2 matches and $250 and up for level 3 matches.

If I'm paying several hundred dollars for a match, I want to KNOW that everyone's ammo and gear is checked, not guessed at.

I'm used to a certain level of professionalism and oversight at a match I'm paying several hundred dollars to attend.

That is why it's so fucking hard for me to take all these new rifle sports seriously.

I completely understand and don't disagree at all. NRL hunter is at least a step in the right direction IMHO. They weigh rifles, zip tie equipment to mark it, and chrono the ammo after you write your name, caliber, and bullet down. Is there ways to cheat it? Absolutely.
The easiest would be that one could use ammo to test that is not used in the match. I think the power factor thing is a bit contrived anyhow. Why not just make it minimum 6.5mm if that's the goal? I don't like the power factor because it can make the guys who shoot something like a 6.5x47 with a short barrel really have to step on it to make power factor. This can result in dangerously high pressures for guys who are just trying to play the game right. I talked with Scott in person about this. At the end of the day, they created the format and made the rules, and I will play by them.
As for everybody else complaining gamer this and gamer that, IT IS A GAME FOR CHRIST SAKES! Holy smokes guys.
Hopefully this thread can get back on track. It's obviously the off-season and I for one am pumped to be back out there competing to the best of my abilities.
I implore some of you guys to come to a hunter match, look me up, and have a few drinks and laughs. I'm a nobody, but I go to matches for the conversation and laughs just as much as I do to compete. See you out there fellas.
 
The easiest would be that one could use ammo to test that is not used in the match.
Easy fix: stage RO picks the chrono ammo from your ammo box.

I think the power factor thing is a bit contrived anyhow.
It's a perfectly valid way to prevent people from cheating with underpowered ammo. It's been used for decades. This is a huge problem with all these new sports. They think they have to re-invent every fucking wheel.

I don't like the power factor because it can make the guys who shoot something like a 6.5x47 with a short barrel really have to step on it to make power factor.
Whose problem is that? Personal responsibility has to come into play somewhere.
 
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Easy fix: stage RO picks the chrono ammo from your ammo box.


It's a perfectly valid way to prevent people from cheating with underpowered ammo. It's been used for decades. This is a huge problem with all these new sports. They think they have to re-invent every fucking wheel.


Whose problem is that? Personal responsibility has to come into play somewhere.

Absolutely valid points. I just don't want to see someone's Tikka CTR 20" or something similar detonate and injure the shooter because they're trying to push a 140 to 2,714 fps.
 
Absolutely valid points. I just don't want to see someone's Tikka CTR 20" or something similar detonate and injure the shooter because they're trying to push a 140 to 2,714 fps.
I would travel to shoot one of these if my hunting rifle met parameters but it dosnt. I just can’t push a 140 fast enough in 20” with a suppressor. Not building another single purpose rifle for maybe an event a year. Can you still shoot for no points if you don’t make power factor?
 
Yes. You can shoot the skills match. Same match, just can't walk the prize table.
 
Im at the Ghost hunter and can’t help but wonder the balls it would take a shooter to purposely cheat.

Its cheating, gaming, money/arms race complaints as far as this thread goes.

With the level of integrity ive seen from MDs and ROs out here, a shooter gets caught cheating (not making an honest mistake)…i dont think that person would be allowed back at all to an event. I bet he or she would be escorted out of the grounds and done with the community for good.

Gaming… stage prep is not allowed, its up to the ROs to enforce that rule and police the guys staging back into the designated areas. If you signal someone to move behind a tree or something and that person openly disregards the command…that’s cheating (see above)

Walk back to your squad to share stage intel? See above.

Get on binos and glass in the shooting azimuth from any other place than the stage while on the clock? See above


Gaming/money/arms race

Sorry guys, its a game if you work your ass off for 60 hrs a week and can afford a pair of austrian binos with an LRF by all means should be allowed
 
I'm curios to know how many people commenting in this thread have actually shot a hunter match, or are they just bitching to bitch? If you don't have a decent rangefinder and binoculars, you suck as a hunter, period. There's no targets at any match I've been at that couldn't be cleaned with a factory Tikka, Rem, Savage, Bergara, etc. Equipment and time management has been the name of the game for matches I've attended. NRL has a loaner program for people to borrow rangefinders, rifles, and other equipment needed to compete. I'm not sure how people are bitching about an equipment race when the NRL is providing the equipment, all you have to do is ask.
The only piece of equipment that is kind of sucky is the tripods. From my experience, 90% of targets can be engaged without a tripod. I hope MD's will take the tripods into consideration when designing their course of fire, i.e. make stages that don't require a tripod to be competitive. I will say a bipod that extends to a sitting height is very helpful. A 13-27" Harris is more than sufficient. Any prone shots could be taken from resting on a pack rather than a bipod. I found my Atlas CAL to be an unnecessary piece of equipment that I won't be running on my rifle this year.
Lastly, I don't understand the comments about the CF barrels. There is no requirement to shoot in light class. If you want to run in light class, a CF barrel is nice. If you don't want to run light, simply shoot in heavy. 16 lbs should not be an issue. If you can't make it under 16 lbs, you've got a modified benchrest rifle; time to rethink your priorities because these matches aren't for you.
These hunter matches, along with the CD matches comes closer to encompassing shooter's skill as a whole. If you attend a match, you will likely see well known shooters struggle with time and equipment. If you're used to having targets pointed out with exact range, three foot of movement to a prop to throw your gamechanger on, and being able to watch the shooter in front of you to get wind calls, you're shit out of luck.
Is there refinement that needs to be done? Yes, absolutely. If you're crying about equipment holding you back in these matches, I have news for you; it's you, not the equipment.
Lastly, I've heard rumor that the NRL Hunter One matches will have little to no emphasis on prize tables. I really hope this is true. Nobody would be crying about gear if they didn't see someone pulling a better prize then them off the prize table. Prize tables need to go away. They're cancerous. The only problem I've seen at hunter matches were team Leupold guys pulling Nightforce and Vortex scopes off the prize table. That's a great look for Leupold, let me tell you.
I did see a Nightforce team member donate his prize to a 14 year old new shooter. I'll be 100% honest, I was going to get a 3-18 MK5 to run this year, but after watching their "representatives" at the match, I'm steering clear of Leupold. Rant over.

I’d venture to say the same amount who didn’t/don’t shoot PRS and bitch about that.
 
Serious question though. Has the hunter one outline been announced?

Curious as to the details on it.
 
Yes. You can shoot the skills match. Same match, just can't walk the prize table.
Looking forward to a schedule of one day matches then. Gives me an excuse to go west and crack some prairie dogs as well
 
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I just read this thread hoping to gain some knowledge, signed up for a couple of Hunter matches coming up this spring and trying to put my gear together.... I am kinda laughing at the "arms race" that keeps coming up.... Personally I take my hunting pretty serious and already have almost everything it seems most of the guys using... well everything but the rifle, I just bought a new rifle that was $2K which I didn't really have to, but I didn't want to burn the barrel out of my $5K custom 7RM.
I sure hope this kind of whining and bitching are just armchair shooters isn't taking place at the matches.
 
I just read this thread hoping to gain some knowledge, signed up for a couple of Hunter matches coming up this spring and trying to put my gear together.... I am kinda laughing at the "arms race" that keeps coming up.... Personally I take my hunting pretty serious and already have almost everything it seems most of the guys using... well everything but the rifle, I just bought a new rifle that was $2K which I didn't really have to, but I didn't want to burn the barrel out of my $5K custom 7RM.
I sure hope this kind of whining and bitching are just armchair shooters isn't taking place at the matches.

The complaining, regardless if participants or not….always happens after the fact. Either online or in texts.

Rarely does it happen in person and even more rarely at matches.

Most matches are fun and pleasant.
 
Any possibility of some east coast events? Mid Atlantic area?
 
Any possibility of some east coast events? Mid Atlantic area?
Hunter or Hunter one matches? Hunter one should be more accessable to every range, and after the intel release, i imagine you will see them.
Hunter matches are hard to run, because of the blind aspect, and the range required. If you know of a place/ MD contact the NRL.
 
Hunter or Hunter one matches? Hunter one should be more accessable to every range, and after the intel release, i imagine you will see them.
Hunter matches are hard to run, because of the blind aspect, and the range required. If you know of a place/ MD contact the NRL.

Either one, really.
 
I sure hope this kind of whining and bitching are just armchair shooters isn't taking place at the matches.
i just got home from the First hunter match of the season in arizona. Of a field of almost 90 people I’d say I talked to more than half of them and the only complaint I heard was that the stage 7 and 9 marker board looked too similar and so the wrong target was shot. A simple direct question to the RO will solve that confusion.

I’ve never heard these online complaints brought up in person.

Aside from that, it was a great match that ran smoothly. Josh and Marc did an excellent job.
 
The skills division fee was $100 lower than the regular match fee for both matches I’m signed up for. I’m shooting skills in both because, well, I suck at shooting and don’t need anything from a prize table anyway. I just like being outside shooting guns with my friends, and I’m perfectly happy with that.
I signed up for the Washita Showdown in Oklahoma and entered in the skills, not because I can't make power factor or weight, but because I am shooting the match for the fun of it. I have shot a lot of local one day matches, and I have RO'd some two day matches, but this will be my first two day match. The Heartland match in Nebraska is 4-1/2 hrs from me, but it is two weeks after the Oklahoma match.

I can't make PF with the rifle I normally deer hunt with, (18" 6.5 Creed) so I took a 28" 6.5 barrel from a switch barrel match rifle and put it in a lighter stock. I have a tripod and Sig 3000s because I use them for hunting. Filled an anterless tag with the 28" rifle yesterday about 50 yards from my truck after carrying everything over a mile earlier in the day. A 16 lb rifle doesn't feel that much heavier than my 12 lb+ 18" rifle.

Looking forward to the NRL Hunter One matches, hopefully we will get some close to me.

Getting 200 fps more velocity out of the 28" over the 18" with the exact same load.
 

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I just read this thread hoping to gain some knowledge, signed up for a couple of Hunter matches coming up this spring and trying to put my gear together.... I am kinda laughing at the "arms race" that keeps coming up.... Personally I take my hunting pretty serious and already have almost everything it seems most of the guys using... well everything but the rifle, I just bought a new rifle that was $2K which I didn't really have to, but I didn't want to burn the barrel out of my $5K custom 7RM.
I sure hope this kind of whining and bitching are just armchair shooters isn't taking place at the matches.

I was going to say something along the same line. It's 2022. Hop over to Rokslide.com, LongRangehunting, or LongRangeOnly, and there are plenty of serious hunters dropping serious bucks on equipment. The hunter matches are still medium to long range distances, and the guys that are perfectly content hunting locales where conventional rifles are more than enough for typical 100 yd shots probably don't have a lot of interest in this type of comp. IF you like this stuff then you probably own something that can get you playing the game even if it isn't gucci gear.
 
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i just got home from the First hunter match of the season in arizona. Of a field of almost 90 people I’d say I talked to more than half of them and the only complaint I heard was that the stage 7 and 9 marker board looked too similar and so the wrong target was shot. A simple direct question to the RO will solve that confusion.

I’ve never heard these online complaints brought up in person.

Aside from that, it was a great match that ran smoothly. Josh and Marc did an excellent job.
Same thing with PRS, complaints are rarely brought up in person.
 
Tell me again that NRL Hunter isn't a gear race?


I've been building and shooting lightweight, sub 8lb guns for years for events like the Sniper Adventure Challenge. I use those same guns in the CD steel safari, NRL hunter, the local match, whatever -

Would I be better off shooting my 19lb AIAX? - Dam straight I would. Would I get better at shooting lightweight magnums? No.

EVERY competitive series, or individual match, is a gear race. PRS, NRL, outlaw, inlaw. I have never been to a match that didn't have someone with a 7k custom gun and fancy carbon tripod. My local matches, 28 of 30 shooters probably show up with their own RRS/feisol. The other two borrow someone elses...

Virtually all precision rifle events are gear races to some degree. Sometimes I show up to an NRL hunter match with a lightweight wundergun and still get my ass handed to me. The equipment really has very little to do with it; My training and prep has way more to do with it. I go out there for experience.

Maybe we should start a nascar league. Caliber, ammo supplier, gun weight, barrel length all tightly specified. 10x fixed scope, two dowels for support, and no fancy boots. You have to make your own sandals out of a retread truck tire at the first stage.
 
I've been building and shooting lightweight, sub 8lb guns for years for events like the Sniper Adventure Challenge. I use those same guns in the CD steel safari, NRL hunter, the local match, whatever -

Would I be better off shooting my 19lb AIAX? - Dam straight I would. Would I get better at shooting lightweight magnums? No.

EVERY competitive series, or individual match, is a gear race. PRS, NRL, outlaw, inlaw. I have never been to a match that didn't have someone with a 7k custom gun and fancy carbon tripod. My local matches, 28 of 30 shooters probably show up with their own RRS/feisol. The other two borrow someone elses...

Virtually all precision rifle events are gear races to some degree. Sometimes I show up to an NRL hunter match with a lightweight wundergun and still get my ass handed to me. The equipment really has very little to do with it; My training and prep has way more to do with it. I go out there for experience.

Maybe we should start a nascar league. Caliber, ammo supplier, gun weight, barrel length all tightly specified. 10x fixed scope, two dowels for support, and no fancy boots. You have to make your own sandals out of a retread truck tire at the first stage.

I think more matches of all disciplines is a good thing, including PRS, NRL Hunter, CD, Vortex Sniper, etc.

But I also think it’s dumb to hear people claiming that NRL Hunter is somehow better because it’s more “practical” and not a gear race, which couldnt be further from the truth.

See above.
 
I look forward to competing against the Remington 700s and other stock guns in plastic stocks with this newly announced rifle in Factory class. ;)


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Guy doesn't even shoot NRL hunter, probably won't shoot NRL hunter and is trashing a thread on a new NRL hunter league that we don't even know about yet.

Why are you still talking? No one cares.
 
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@LV Precision , I, along with several others have tried to have a civil discourse with you, and understand your complaints. However, now you seem to just be crapping on the thread where people are trying to glean information about the series. We get it, you don't like it and it's a game; point taken. You've never answered the question if you've actually shot a match, which at this point I'll assume you haven't. You're acting like you have skin in the game, which you obviously do not. It's lost on me what your goal is in this thread.
 
@LV Precision , I, along with several others have tried to have a civil discourse with you, and understand your complaints. However, now you seem to just be crapping on the thread where people are trying to glean information about the series. We get it, you don't like it and it's a game; point taken. You've never answered the question if you've actually shot a match, which at this point I'll assume you haven't. You're acting like you have skin in the game, which you obviously do not. It's lost on me what your goal is in this thread.

But I do want to buy that Bergara to compete. Don't see why posting a new rifle that qualifies is so offensive. Thought you'd have tougher skin than that.
 
@LV Precision, you’re obviously just trolling at this point. You won’t answer direct questions about shooting NRL Hunter matches which means you likely haven’t. You’ve made your vague, useless point that NRL Hunter gear is too expensive. Great. Now move along and post your crappy memes elsewhere.

As for NRL Hunter being more practical than PRS…it absolutely is. Not necessarily because it’s less of a gear race, but because the rifles and gear being used are more applicable to hunting and tactical/military scenarios.

How are the rifles more practical? Weight. PRS is now a 20# or heavier benchrest gun. Frank and Scott recognized it as becoming a problem in that it’s not practical to have such heavy rifles in most real world scenarios. Just like most guys aren’t EDC’ing their open USPSA race guns.

A sub 16 lb rifle is more similar to a military sniper rifle, a sub 12 lb one is perfect for western hunters. Binos, range finder and tripod are all things most Western big game hunters use for glassing, ranging and engaging real animals to put meat in the freezer. Same for tactical precision Rifleman.

The skills employed in spotting, ranging and shooting targets under pressure in NRL Hunter also translate very well to Hunting/Military scenarios. Also problem solving and building a position is very applicable to both.

I’ll be excited to see where these NRL one matches go. That said; I’m disappointed to see their regular 2 day matches going away as NRL has more stuff in the west near me. Hopefully border wars or similar continues on.

The Hunter series is what I’ll be focusing on and it has already made me better prepared as a hunter. Won’t hurt if Russia and China keep it up either…😁
 
@LV Precision, you’re obviously just trolling at this point. You won’t answer direct questions about shooting NRL Hunter matches which means you likely haven’t. You’ve made your vague, useless point that NRL Hunter gear is too expensive. Great. Now move along and post your crappy memes elsewhere.

As for NRL Hunter being more practical than PRS…it absolutely is. Not necessarily because it’s less of a gear race, but because the rifles and gear being used are more applicable to hunting and tactical/military scenarios.

How are the rifles more practical? Weight. PRS is now a 20# or heavier benchrest gun. Frank and Scott recognized it as becoming a problem in that it’s not practical to have such heavy rifles in most real world scenarios. Just like most guys aren’t EDC’ing their open USPSA race guns.

A sub 16 lb rifle is more similar to a military sniper rifle, a sub 12 lb one is perfect for western hunters. Binos, range finder and tripod are all things most Western big game hunters use for glassing, ranging and engaging real animals to put meat in the freezer. Same for tactical precision Rifleman.

The skills employed in spotting, ranging and shooting targets under pressure in NRL Hunter also translate very well to Hunting/Military scenarios. Also problem solving and building a position is very applicable to both.

I’ll be excited to see where these NRL one matches go. That said; I’m disappointed to see their regular 2 day matches going away as NRL has more stuff in the west near me. Hopefully border wars or similar continues on.

The Hunter series is what I’ll be focusing on and it has already made me better prepared as a hunter. Won’t hurt if Russia and China keep it up either…😁

Border wars was dropped too.

Basically, the only centerfire NRL is doing is hunter series stuff or variants.
 
Border wars was dropped too.

Basically, the only centerfire NRL is doing is hunter series stuff or variants.
I think I saw that border wars may continue as “cash only” matches. So maybe they won’t fall under the NRL umbrella but may continue on their own?

If not there’s already smaller local leagues popping up like WyCo precision, etc. Will be interesting to see if more of those develop.
 
I think I saw that border wars may continue as “cash only” matches. So maybe they won’t fall under the NRL umbrella but may continue on their own?

If not there’s already smaller local leagues popping up like WyCo precision, etc. Will be interesting to see if more of those develop.

I believe Jim See might be continuing something in his area.

Either way, I hope single day matches continue to happen and grow everywhere. It really is the back bone.