To blatantly post that Thunder Beast suppressors are no good for our "DTA" rifles is propaganda and a flat out lie. There is a known issue with using TBAC .338 suppressors on ultra short .338 LM rifles. This affects all rifles not just DTA. This is also limited to the .338 LM cans.
Whoa whoa whoa... back the truck up there chief. I SPECIFICALLY said that in reference to short barrel 338's.
Just a heads up for you guys running short 338's. Thunderbeast cans seem to be a very bad idea with our rifles:
"Our"... meaning those with short 338's. Being called a liar is NOT something I'm prepared to tolerate. Especially when its clear that there is some brand loyalty taking place here... or did someone else's can recently break a mans collar bone? Clearly you like the TBAC cans, and that's perfectly fine.
I've been an advocate for them in the past as well. Read that again. Make sure you understand that statement in bold. If DTA's can was blowing up and injuring people, I
wouldn't be singing a different tune, despite how much I like them as a company and love their products. Facts are facts.
...and just because
you know, doesn't mean its a "known issue." One of my customers that bought a TBAC 338 can for his rifle, certainly didn't know, nor does he feel that TBAC adequately tried to inform him of that fact. He's pissed off, and feels betrayed. First he heard about it was in this thread. He's not the type to come post on forums... nor does he feel like reaching out to TBAC. Customer's always right, and if he feels thunderbeast wasn't up front about what can happen with their cans on the shorter barrels, then who am I to argue with him? Other owners posted that they didn't know either. If I made a product, and it was failing catastrophically on certain configurations, I'd go to great lengths to ensure that ALL of my customers and especially the dealers knew about that. Did the dealers get an email or letter warning them of this?
So lets just say Frank is lying about the 20" AI story, (just to support your argument for a second) there are still two other shooters that blew the core out of their TBAC 338's recently, and one has a broken collar bone as a result. Is that propaganda?
Your .223 full auto analogy doesn't really apply, because those customers aren't buying them for a system that was designed to be switch caliber. Even still, my customers damn sure appreciate me recommending they consider a 30 cal can in place of the 5.56 when they learn they can run it on their AR's and their big bolt guns too. You act like I don't let my customers think for themselves, or that I make a habit out of selling shit people don't need. What does that have to do with the issue at hand? If someone is selecting a 338 rated suppressor, WHY would you recommend one that is so close to its design limitations that 2" of barrel length is the deciding factor on whether it will grenade?! That is the issue at hand.
Here's some quickload numbers for various barrel lengths on a 338LM:
Hornady 285 HPBT
93gr Retumbo
Lapua Brass
CCI-250
18" 17667
20" 15472
22" 13725
24" 12306
26" 11132
So what TBAC is basically saying is that the 338P-1 is safe at 13,750psi... but is not safe at 15,500psi, and the 338BA is safe at 15,500psi but not safe at 17,700psi? That's basically 12%. I would never feel comfortable having a 12% window of error. I'd never drive a car that could safely go 65mph, but at 80mph, the wheels would fly off. Suppose a weld didn't get applied absolutely perfectly? Suppose the source material was defective to a small degree? 12% is a TINY margin for error. Even if it's twice that, it's still too close for comfort when you are dealing with 338 pressures.
The insinuation that my customers are somehow mindless zombies that can't think on their own?
Absurd. The provocation that I'm spreading lies and "propaganda?"
Outrageous and ridiculous. This is a legitimate concern for some of my customers, regardless of how much you'd like to marginalize it. I'd much rather sell a suppressor with a 50% or better safety window than a 12%. This doesn't mean I want TBAC to burn. They have many other products, with a track record of success. Despite your insinuations otherwise, I never declared differently. I'll likely still recommend some of their other products for other applications. Yet there is a CLEAR design issue with a specific product, and denying that is going to do no one any good. Not the brand, and definitely not the dealers. Meanwhile, there are several other brands of 338-rated cans, including DTA's own DTSS, that do not have any instances where the suppressor exploded. (at least none that I'm aware of) My customers would certainly appreciate knowing before laying down $1700+ for their 338-rated suppressor.