Oh Afghanistan, how I miss you

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don't forget they uncovered docs that show the military leadership, including that piece of shit mattis, knew they weren't making a bit of difference the entire time in afghanistan and had made little to no progress on any long term goals.
all the while, our brothers and sisters came home in caskets, wheelchairs and crutches, both physical and mental.

Its criminal and wrong on every level.
 

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....and who is the one creating their arms depots in schools and hospitals and forcing kids to remain in the building....?

the fact that you are comparing dropping a bomb on a military target that results in collateral damage to this:
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.....means you are the dumbest mother fucker i have ever met.....


if you cant figure out to shoot in this scenario, you deserve to be thrown into a wood chipper with the rest of those goat fuckers.

lemme guess, is your smug commie ass going to compare the Allies to the NAZIs because one time they might have killed a civilian?




it must be nice to sit on the couch with your hands clean and throw stones at everyone while pretending to be morally superior........funny, only one side allows you to do that freely.....the other side burns you alive for shit like that...still need help figuring out who to shoot?

You honestly think in war there is a good guy and a bad guy?

If I was fighting a far more advanced, funded and numerous force, one would be a fool not to use gorilla and phyc tactics, we did it in the revolutionary war. Forget the name of the guy, but it was not common to attack the families of the other side too.

There is the winner and the loser, how they get there is immaterial and often written for the books by the winner.
 

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    You honestly think in war there is a good guy and a bad guy?

    If I was fighting a far more advanced, funded and numerous force, one would be a fool not to use gorilla and phyc tactics, we did it in the revolutionary war. Forget the name of the guy, but it was not common to attack the families of the other side too.

    There is the winner and the loser, how they get there is immaterial and often written for the books by the winner.
    i think i can say pretty safely and without hesitation the Nazis and ISIS were, in fact, the "bad guys"
     

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    i think i can say pretty safely and without hesitation the Nazis and ISIS were, in fact, the "bad guys"

    Sure, the more extreme the more shitty, normally they come hand and hand with religion. Lest we even get into the crusades.

    In the case of the nazis, it’s funny how they get the evil label but Russians and China don’t get it 1/10th as bad, when they did about the same, shit communism and fascism are kissing cousins.



    Just as our guys are fed those isis photos, the other teams small brain foot soldiers are fed photos of dead kids and other “collateral damage” and probably some gitmo torture photos too.

    But we are right they are wrong, we good they bad, so fight and fight we will, as the leadership at both sides laugh all the way to more affluence and power.
     

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    Just as our guys are fed those isis photos, the other teams small brain foot soldiers are fed photos of dead kids and other “collateral damage” and probably some gitmo torture photos too.
    ah yes....a 100lb woman pointing at your penis is totally the same as roasting people alive in jet fuel.........totally the same.

    if a woman pointing and laughing at your penis is "torture".....hell, i get tortured every time i bring a new woman home......fuck, i might be the most tortured man on the planet.
     
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    ah yes....a 100lb woman pointing at your penis is totally the same as roasting people alive in jet fuel.........totally the same.

    if a woman pointing and laughing at your penis is "torture".....hell, i get tortured every time i bring a new woman home......fuck, i might be the most tortured man on the planet.

    Nah that’s more akin to the aftermath of the bombs, look I got no love for any of these self serving war mongers, I’m just not so easily sold on a poorly packaged sales pitch.

    Thought covid was more politics than health risk after the first week.

    Thought the (second) invasion of Iraq was BS from the start.


    I think this is also how lots of kids come back with PTSD, go over there with this pre packaged image of war, see death and the pointlessness for what it is, think there was a line in a movie about if you look into the darkness, sometimes you get lost in it.

    Sign up for the military when we are doing this for profit half ass nation building, have been before dude in the video was even a sperm, and get angry when you’re deployed to do BS with people who don’t want to work with you. Yeah, that’s like slamming your dick in a door and complaining that your dick hurts.
     

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    Ide like to think that if it came to it, Americans would fair far better in that scenario....

    ....but I know deep down in my heart that it would be me and a bunch of other retards sitting around drinking iced coffees not knowing what to do while the one guy who knows his shit yells at us disappointingly.
    I may be a retard but I'll drink my coffee hot and black.
     
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    Let the Afghan women run the gov and military and be the trigger pullers. They have a lot more to lose and should be more effective than the men.
     
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    I couldn't imagine being stuck with these faggots. And yes, it is this bad 99% of the time. The old videos of them not being able to do jumping jacks and shit are totally accurate; this isn't some 'come look at this one guy' thing. Want to confuse the shit out of one of them like you're giving them an IQ test? Give them a packaged MRE and just watch.

    I'm pretty sure if someone from DoD showed up and was like, hey I know you guys are going out tonight, so I figured we could rotate 40 ANA guys over to you for help, that we'd all instantly be like, na, we already have 12 of us total, we're good.

    I particularly like the tards sitting downstairs with their heads in the windows not doing anything but being a static bracketed head target.

    Other than being surrounded by tards, what freaks me out is being in a 'known' spot that is probably easy to get mortars onto/shits already set up for it somewhere and to the left flank looks like an elevated rise that basically goes past your site and would allow you to be put into an L easily. When the SF guy starts running the SAW my spidey senses kept saying to sweep left and stop staring ahead the entire time. Not sure what the mission is (or what else is there), but I wouldn't fucking stay there static with those tards around me as assaulting a position to the front is definitely out of the question.

    Oh Afghanistan, how I miss you..​

    ...immediately made me think of this, have you read it?

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    I've got a copy I'll send you or a .pdf
     
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    Ed Zackery! But... Here we are twenty years later trying to win the hearts and minds of people that have no desire for liberty.
    Nevermind that this was never about the taliban or that shit hole afghanistan. It was a supposed to be about fucking up terrorists. But the MIC is about money and they don't give a shit about the troops. There was a con run on the public. The war on terror turned into nation building again. Two of them this time.

    Im beginning to think the war on terror was against.......Us.

    And it continues because we are not done yet......soon perhaps.
     
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    Provide evidence


    As a country that elects dipshits and than promotes a mil leadership that is "go along to get along"....we have lacked the understanding of strategy since 1945.

    I would like to see a requirement that before using more than punitive, exigent circumstances, force that the civilian govt must define an achievable strategy with specific goals and actually go on record with declaring war.

    Tactics would be left entirely to the military.

    "War on Terror" is not a strategy that can ever be achieved.

    A declaration of war would also require immediate implementation of a draft. The greatest part of the population must "have skin in the game" rather than requiring the fraction of 1% shoulder the burden.

    Wars would not last twenty years, nor have rules of engagement favoring the enemy over our own, if every parent in America was concerned their kid could be going to war. Parents will be holding politicians accountable and they will be willing to see the arty used if it means their kid lives.

    It seems to me our strategy these days is designed with mission creep in order to keep the fat contracts flowing.

    Afghanistan should have been the most justified war ever with the clearest defined/achievable strategy.

    "Locate, close with and destroy all or any that interfere with the capture or killing of these members of Al Qaida (insert names here) that planned and executed the 9/11 attacks.

    The military is authorized to employee all conventional tactics, nuclear options are available depending on situation, to meet this mission with the protection of US life as primary concern and within the accepted practices of the law of war while understanding that the maximum use of force to bring about the expeditious achievement of US goals will limit loss of life amongst combatants and civilians.

    Hostilities will end and are limited to the capture or killing of those named herein. Within 30 days of achieving this strategy all US forces will be withdrawn from the war theater. All US equipment unable to be repatriated will be blown up or otherwise destroyed. Performing public works and foreign aid while in the area of operations is a goodwill gesture but "nation building" is prohibited with the understanding the native population determines their own forms of government"
     
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    But the ones dropping bombs on building with kids in them, those are the good guys, it’s the ones who explode the kid with the vests, those are the animals.

    Frankly the only people who “win” in that BS are the very high ups in Afghanistan (who don’t believe any of the BS they sell to their fighters) and the high ups in our military industry (who also dont believe any of the BS they sell to our troops).

    Funny how quick both dems and republicans are to invade the Middle East, but the spice must flow
    If someone is inside a house where a known TB or ISIS or whatever fighter is in, then they are not innocent. They are either a current or future terrorist.

    If someone straps a vest to a kid (often times a mentally challenged kid) and then wires a chicken switch to him and remotely detonates him in a crowd, among other horrible crimes against humanity, I can get a little excited about face-shooting that SOB.

    Thats the difference.
     

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    If someone is inside a house where a known TB or ISIS or whatever fighter is in, then they are not innocent. They are either a current or future terrorist.

    If someone straps a vest to a kid (often times a mentally challenged kid) and then wires a chicken switch to him and remotely detonates him in a crowd, among other horrible crimes against humanity, I can get a little excited about face-shooting that SOB.

    Thats the difference.

    "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" should apply.
     

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    Both Iraq and Afghanistan were engaged in the wrong way. If you look back through history, no Modern war was ever won by building posts, and (largely) staying within those posts (or a few mile from your post)). Most recently the French learned this in WWII when they thought that any invading army would attack their heavily defended Maginot line. The German invasion evaded the line, and went between the fortified structures with tens of thousands of troops. The people on the Maginot line knew that to exit their fortified structures to engage the Germans would be death, so they stayed inside and did nothing.

    I found the rules of engagement far too restrictive when I was in Iraq. I was in their first push (Operation Iraqi Freedom one (OIF one)), and during that time period it was clear that killing the enemy and winning was the goal. Sometime in OIF two we switched to the "Hearts and Minds phase". At that point, it became clear that winning had been taken out of the equation, and we were there to be targets and little else.

    During OIF one, see a man with an RPG and he was a target of opportunity and you were to light him up on the spot. Also, if you were driving through the Clover leaf outside Fallujah, and took fire, the response was to light up the area where the shots were coming from with extreme prejudice.

    During OIF two, see a man with an RPG and he is not to be engaged unless he is pointing it at your unit. If you were driving through the clover leaf outside Fallujah and took fire, you were to NOT return fire, as there were "friendlies" in that area. Take your lead and don't fire back.

    If you want your troops to survive (and actually win in those environments), you need to have rules of engagement to support this goal.
    There was no actual interest in winning, and it was clear.
     
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    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    But YOU know the reason(s)

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
    No I don't and never said or indicated I did. I can only speculate just like anyone else. I do know that any official statement coming from the gov pertaining to any topic is a lie and I can rule it out without question. This I know without speculation.

    Making certain people rich would be my guess. This war had nothing to do with America's interests in mind.

    Provide evidence
    You cannot possibly be this naïve. Twenty years later. For what and why?
     
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    Ah, utopia. Better chance of mounting cavalry on unicorns.


    Two trains of thought....

    The "Control Pols"


    The "Leave that to the military that which is military" side

     

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    OEF in april of 2012, about halfway through our deployment. Them aiming a gun at you wasnt enough to be able to shoot them. We actually had to wait for them to shoot at us first...🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

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    OEF in april of 2012, about halfway through our deployment. Them aiming a gun at you wasnt enough to be able to shoot them. We actually had to wait for them to shoot at us first...🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

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    Sounds like a good way to increase casualties and prolong a war for profit.
     
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    Both Iraq and Afghanistan were engaged in the wrong way. If you look back through history, no Modern war was ever won by building posts, and (largely) staying within those posts (or a few mile from your post)). Most recently the French learned this in WWII when they thought that any invading army would attack their heavily defended Maginot line. The German invasion evaded the line, and went between the fortified structures with tens of thousands of troops. The people on the Maginot line knew that to exit their fortified structures to engage the Germans would be death, so they stayed inside and did nothing.

    I found the rules of engagement far too restrictive when I was in Iraq. I was in their first push (Operation Iraqis Freedom one (OIF one)), and during that time period it was clear that killing the enemy and winning was the goal. Sometime in OIF two we switched to the "Hearts and Minds phase". At that point, it became clear that winning had been taken out of the equation, and we were there to be targets and little else.

    During OIF one, see a man with an RPG and he was a target of opportunity and you were to light him up on the spot. Also, if you were driving through the Clover leaf outside Fallujah, and took fire, the response was to light up the area where the shots were coming from with extreme prejudice.

    During OIF two, see a man with an RPG and he is not to be engaged unless he is pointing it at your unit. If you were driving through the clover leaf outside Fallujah and took fire, you were to NOT return fire, as there were "friendlies" in that area. Take your lead and don't fire back.

    If you want your troops to survive (and actually win in those environments), you need to have rules of engagement to support this goal.
    There was no actual interest in winning, and it was clear.


    One time "fixed positions" seemed to work was during Vietnam with the CAP patrols.

    The Marines were finding that they could visit a village and create good will than that evening the VC would show up and murder anyone that worked with or in any way facilitated the US presence.

    By leaving small units in the village the Marines were able to overcome the communist penchant for terror. The Marines utilized RF/PF villagers to support their patrols against the VC.

    Costly in man power though if you have to put a platoon in every village.......

    Unless you plan to repopulate the war theatre with Americans you need to destroy the enemies "source".
     
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    LOL....try explaining to them how a helicopter hovers then just flies off into the mountains. We just told them "Allah wills it". They stopped asking questions.
    There might be something to that... Don't remember if it was here or elsewhere I read that there's a superstition that pushing the forward assist on a rifle will "make it more accurate". Which of course it doesn't but it does ensure the bolt's closed.

    Ritualize stuff, tell them that some divine force whether it's Allah, gremlins, or the Omnissiah makes it work and by not doing it right you incur said divine force's disapproval, ingrain the basics by religious rote. Worked for centuries in fields besides warfare, why couldn't it work for getting locals to shoot the SAW the right way?
     

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    LOL....try explaining to them how a helicopter hovers then just flies off into the mountains. We just told them "Allah wills it". They stopped asking questions.

    There might be something to that... Don't remember if it was here or elsewhere I read that there's a superstition that pushing the forward assist on a rifle will "make it more accurate". Which of course it doesn't but it does ensure the bolt's closed.

    Ritualize stuff, tell them that some divine force whether it's Allah, gremlins, or the Omnissiah makes it work and by not doing it right you incur said divine force's disapproval, ingrain the basics by religious rote. Worked for centuries in fields besides warfare, why couldn't it work for getting locals to shoot the SAW the right way?


    We need to promote that mentality.

    I understand it is the reason "aiming weapons" is not a thing.

    No need to aim....just pull the trigger........and the result is what "Allah wills".

    Leave "aiming" to US and "fate" to our enemies.
     

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    We never applied the full force or violence of action that we could have and should have IMO. Petraeus coin theory created a lot of problems IMO depending on peoples understanding of it and application. Some restricted your ability to close with and destroy the enemy while others saw the coin theory as "reducing the asshole population one person at a time".

    Iraq showed a lot more promise than Afghanistan. What we screwed up imo, letting Iran and Syria extend their influence into the country (mostly Iran via Atari aka fatboy sadr). This enabled sectarian violence and created a lot of problems. Honestly we should have bombed the shit out of Iran until they stopped being asshats. There is one man I am hoping will take power in Iraq, he has what is needed to do good stuff there and is a no BS guy. Only problem is he is Sunni and the Shiite with Iranian backing will ensure he doesn't take power.

    Afghanistan, the Afghanis seemed to not understand the concept of freedom, democracy, liberty. Afghanistan has a big problem aka Pakistan that harbors TB, but then we really went there for AQ and not TB. I think a lot of people lost sight of that with mission creep. There were some Afghanis that got it, great people but most did not understand/get it.

    China wants Afghanistan for the lithium and other minerals and also to help with their Uyghur genocide path. Lets not also forget the Uzbek IMU which has infiltrated China. China's taking of Afghanistan is just another way for them to expand their influence.

    Just my .02 aka opinion.
     

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    How much time did you spend reading history.

    Argument from authority, but I know, the new guy we install this time is going to be totalllly different, waaaay better than the last one lol

    The troops you teach to shoot today, will be the guys shooting at your kids next generation when we do the rerun of the same war.

    Oh so just another candy ass loud talker on the hide that hasn't put up but knows best.....got it
     

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    Trust me guys....it's hard enough for some to grasp the MH-47 flight control operations and concepts with a "civilized" education.
    Now put yourself into the mind of a goat herder......










    okay........now get your mind out the gutter. ROTFLMAO
     

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    Seems to be a few people talking about what Soldiers deal with who haven't served and don't know what Soldiers deal with or have dealt with.

    Funny how they are always like...

    "But if they roll into my town...blah blah blah" all the sudden they are a one man oda team
     
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    Seems to be a few people talking about what Soldiers deal with who haven't served and don't know what Soldiers deal with or have dealt with.

    One of the first casualties in Afghanistan was the son of a friend I served with during the 80s. The EFP was made in Iran.

    We never applied the full force or violence of action that we could have and should have IMO. Petraeus coin theory created a lot of problems IMO depending on peoples understanding of it and application. Some restricted your ability to close with and destroy the enemy while others saw the coin theory as "reducing the asshole population one person at a time".

    Iraq showed a lot more promise than Afghanistan. What we screwed up imo, letting Iran and Syria extend

    Petraus was getting his sick sucked under the desk rather than spending time with the sergeants who were getting blown up. And his coin ideas really boiled down to rounding up bad guys faster than they could be created. We just exhausted the enemy by making a big OODA loop.

    When we were killing anyone with a gun and droning the ied makers, the provinces settled down. Kill a few innocents when you blow up the bomb makers then the word gets around.
     

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    Seems to be a few people talking about what Soldiers deal with who haven't served and don't know what Soldiers deal with or have dealt with.
    I didn’t see any of that in this thread. Nobody is rationalizing the soldiers. They are questioning leadership and motives of the govt. There are a few, myself included, that understands that the US military isn’t over there to “protect” America or Americans or to free any other people. The govt is working to hard to enslave us for that to be a possibility. This isn’t a knock on the soldiers. It’s a knock on our lying corrupt govt.
     

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    If someone is inside a house where a known TB or ISIS or whatever fighter is in, then they are not innocent. They are either a current or future terrorist.

    If someone straps a vest to a kid (often times a mentally challenged kid) and then wires a chicken switch to him and remotely detonates him in a crowd, among other horrible crimes against humanity, I can get a little excited about face-shooting that SOB.

    Thats the difference.

    You honestly believe that?

    If some kid is in a building a terrorist is in, just blow him up too? You should get a job with the isis recruiting department, you’d be great lol
     

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    One of the first casualties in Afghanistan was the son of a friend I served with during the 80s. The EFP was made in Iran.



    Petraus was getting his sick sucked under the desk rather than spending time with the sergeants who were getting blown up. And his coin ideas really boiled down to rounding up bad guys faster than they could be created. We just exhausted the enemy by making a big OODA loop.

    When we were killing anyone with a gun and droning the ied makers, the provinces settled down. Kill a few innocents when you blow up the bomb makers then the word gets around.

    Point One - All the reason needed for Sulimani to be Ginsued.....

    Point Two - Petraeus believed he was his ribbon rack........
     

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    Oh so just another candy ass loud talker on the hide that hasn't put up but knows best.....got it

    Not sure if I’d describe my ass as candy, kinda more a white peach fuzz lol

    Anyone who has read a history book or as a above room temp IQ and tell you screwing around with Afghanistan is stupid, since Vietnam we haven’t had a legit “war” and have just put our dick is stuff we shouldn’t have, volunteering to be part of that shit show, and bitching that it’s a shit show, I’m not sure what to say. Look we finally go to war with China I’ll be the first to sign up or use my trade in the war effort, but this for profit nation building, again sign up to slam your dick in a door and bitch that your dick hurts is about the best way to describe it. But since I’ve never signed up to slam my own dick in a door, I have no idea how noble and smart and awsome slamming my own dick in a door is, right?

    The recent wars were also not “serving my country” please tell me how much more free I am because we blew up some Toyota in the Middle East? I mean we’re they going to ride their goats over and invade RI or something? If you wanted to serve your country should have gone to school and started a small business, joined FD or EMS, fighting for the country CAN BE serving the country, it just hasn’t been since our grandfathers were of combat age. Sorry, but it is what it is.
     
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    You honestly believe that?

    If some kid is in a building a terrorist is in, just blow him up too? You should get a job with the isis recruiting department, you’d be great lol


    If you dont believe the metric is true than we are not in a conflict that war is the solution.

    We shouldnt be there in the first place if what you believe to be true.

    It would be immoral to commit to that misery if you are not committed to ending it as quickly as you can.
     
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    Not sure if I’d describe my ass as candy, kinda more a white peach fuzz lol

    Anyone who has read a history book or as a above room temp IQ and tell you screwing around with Afghanistan is stupid, since Vietnam we haven’t had a legit “war” and have just put our dick is stuff we shouldn’t have, volunteering to be part of that shit show, and bitching that it’s a shit show, I’m not sure what to say. Look we finally go to war with China I’ll be the first to sign up or use my trade in the war effort, but this for profit nation building, again sign up to slam your dick in a door and bitch that your dick hurts is about the best way to describe it. But since I’ve never signed up to slam my own dick in a door, I have no idea how noble and smart and awsome slamming my own dick in a door is, right?


    We had been in a war with China.

    We fought them to a stalemate because we lacked the will to win at the top despite our Troops doing amazing things against superior numbers.

    Read the story of Fox 2/7 at Tok Tong.

    The Chinese have not forgotten. They have worked to ensure our basic youth is no longer capable of doing what Fox 2/7 did.

    Our war strategy has sucked since the Chosin pushback in Korea.
     

    TurboTrout

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    If you dont believe the metric is true than we are not in a conflict that war is the solution.

    We shouldnt be there in the first place if what you believe to be true.

    No, we shouldn’t have been there at all, at least not in a formal military fashion.
     

    pmclaine

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    No, we shouldn’t have been there at all, at least not in a formal military fashion.


    That goes too far.

    The diplomatic message should have been....."If you wish to maintain your sovereignty either turn over Al-Quaida or immediatly stop harboring them. Failing to do so will result in a manhunt using our military and any means necessary to effect the arrest or killing of these individuals."

    If that fails see my earlier post on strategy.

    War must be an existential threat.

    Leaving Al-Quaida operational after 9/11 represented an existential threat to our way of life as we enjoyed it on 9/10/2001.

    Sadly our government has been more detrimental to that 9/10/2001 way of life than any terrorist has been.

    Life on 9/10/2001 compared to 5/3/2021 is so different other than geography there is little resemblance.
     
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    Mr.BR

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    Afghanistan is a case study of Mission creep due to corruption, i just love it when folks talk about corrupt Afghanis when you would first have to start throwing cuffs on folks at home.

    Afghan war started in October 2001 and was finished in December 2001 , in the meantime group of folks in Washington cooked up a plan how to best rob American taxpayers and that plan has been in play ever since with refinements and tweaks in between to keep the heist running for 20+ years.

    Biden Afghani 'withdrawal' unlike Trumps is just Kabuki theatre, the latest rebranding of an ongoing heist, most of the forces stay in Afghanistan, fewer troops and more contractors but money will continue to flow into the bottomless pit. Even though the bombs and bullets are flying around the Hindukush the target of GWOT has always been the American taxpayer. AQ is as often on US payroll as its on the pointy end of a bullet.

    These afghanis with ANA are not in for the fight,but like rest of Afghan society to make a buck while Uncle Sam is paying if there were other paying jobs for folks without skills they would be doing them not serving as cannon fodder for the Mayor of Kabul , US or any other warlord. When and if the dust settles they will be right back to their life in 'the middle ages' just on better roads and with more mobile phones.

    When it comes to the chopping of limbs or heads and stoning folks, most people misunderstand that it's not about fun and games, but a simple 'old testament' style justice system that was at one time or another practiced everywhere around the globe where ever society was at a tribal level, Primary purpose of the savagery is deterrent. For folks in third-world shitholes that serves much the same purpose as our modern justice and penal system but without the cost and complexity of the latter.
     
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    USMC_03XX

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    You honestly believe that?

    If some kid is in a building a terrorist is in, just blow him up too? You should get a job with the isis recruiting department, you’d be great lol
    Well, I can give you about 30 personal examples of this - where we 'saved' an 'innocent' minor, only to add him to the k/c list later on during the conflict.

    'War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things...'

    Its terrible, but I dont lose any sleep about it. Debating the merits of the conflict, Im not convinced of the merits of why we were in either place, but having spent a majority of my adult life in one or the other, its not my job to debate the merits - just to win the 'war.' By winning, we need mouthbreathers like yourself full of self-proclaimed righteousness to either STFU, or join. Standing on the sidelines throwing rocks from a balsa wood and glass house doesn't do anybody any good. Insinuating I am complicit with ISIS? Nah man, I just do my job to the best of my abilities and try to protect as many innocent lives as possible while bringing my guys home.
     

    Sean the Nailer

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    That goes too far.

    The diplomatic message should have been....."If you wish to maintain your sovereignty either turn over Al-Quaida or immediatly stop harboring them. Failing to so will result in a manhunt using our military and any means necessary to effect the arrest or killing of these individuals."

    If that fails see my earlier post on strategy.

    War must be an existential threat.

    Leaving Al-Quaida operational after 9/11 represented an existential threat to our way of life as we enjoyed it on 9/10/2001.

    Sadly our government has been more detrimental to that 9/10/2001 way of life than any terrorist has been.

    Life on 9/10/2001 compared to 5/3/2021 is so different other than geography there is little resemblance.
    You're absolutely right, and I truly HATE the fact that it's so true.
     
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