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People don’t want to go back to work?

That's fine but there are places closing their doors because of it so there won't be jobs to go to when the extra funds from the government end. My area is $20-30 for skilled labor except for the union jobs but the union isn't strong where I live. A pizza place was trying to get help at $15 an hour and said fuck it. If people think they need more than that for an entry level job, we are all fucked.

UI is paying 32k a year in your area?

I’d bet there are lots of teens who would love to make 32k making pizzas while living at home with no expenses.

The places I see that have the issue are the ones paying a buck over minimum wage, random drug testing, expecting graveyard shifts on the regular, 1 day off a week, no set schedule, no benefits, and highly micromanaged. But it’s the bat flus fault we can’t keep staff
 
Hunger is still the biggest incentive to get a person to get up off their lazy ass and go to work....

How much is a Twinkie and how many calories are in one?

Not likely you’ll be hungry, but you won’t be healthy, though lots of people who work and have some money also treat their body like a dumpster fire, as a single guy trying to find a girl who ain’t fat, I feel like a man looking for a glass of water in the desert.

Hunger isn’t a factor in modern America
 
Can you give me a idea of the wages vs UI benefits in your area?

My wages last year was $23 an hour at 40 hours a week with no overtime because of covid. Last time I drew unemployment insurance it was around 450 a week filing married with no kids. That goes up from there. Add the $600 extra per week that was offered during that time, I would have made more money at home on the couch. Most of the union factory jobs are $23-28 an hour depending on the position. Now I think it's only $300 extra on top of unemployment and people are happy with that to sit on their ass.
 
My wages last year was $23 an hour at 40 hours a week with no overtime because of covid. Last time I drew unemployment insurance it was around 450 a week filing married with no kids. That goes up from there. Add the $600 extra per week that was offered during that time, I would have made more money at home on the couch. Most of the union factory jobs are $23-28 an hour depending on the position. Now I think it's only $300 extra on top of unemployment and people are happy with that to sit on their ass.

So work and get $44,000

Don’t work and get $36,000

That’s a 20% paycut, honestly I don’t know how people could handle a 20% cut when they already ain’t making that much, guess they just eat ramen, sit at home and don’t do anything fun?

The other poster who mentioned the girl who was couch surfing abroad, that I get, going and partying in South America I can get, minus I think they went full retard on covid paranoia, heck even doing some cruising might make sense, though demographically that’s a higher pay scale, but sitting on your ass doing nothing, shit might as well be paralyzed or something.
 
So work and get $44,000

Don’t work and get $36,000

That’s a 20% paycut, honestly I don’t know how people could handle a 20% cut when they already ain’t making that much, guess they just eat ramen, sit at home and don’t do anything fun?

The other poster who mentioned the girl who was couch surfing abroad, that I get, going and partying in South America I can get, minus I think they went full retard on covid paranoia, heck even doing some cruising might make sense, though demographically that’s a higher pay scale, but sitting on your ass doing nothing, shit might as well be paralyzed or something.
The problem is that you are thinking on the aggregates when real life economics happens at the margins. It isn't a choice about substituting an entire years work for an entire years payout, but the marginal value of each hour worked, and in your example, it is nil, nil then close to nil. People aren't explaining it correctly because they understand it intuitively, but they are correct in what they are saying.
 
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So work and get $44,000

Don’t work and get $36,000

That’s a 20% paycut, honestly I don’t know how people could handle a 20% cut when they already ain’t making that much, guess they just eat ramen, sit at home and don’t do anything fun?

The other poster who mentioned the girl who was couch surfing abroad, that I get, going and partying in South America I can get, minus I think they went full retard on covid paranoia, heck even doing some cruising might make sense, though demographically that’s a higher pay scale, but sitting on your ass doing nothing, shit might as well be paralyzed or something.
I know plenty of people that are sitting at home doing nothing. If you add in the extra money for unemployment benefits for kids and not having to pay daycare, that 20% you calculated is gone. Then they are money ahead at that point. No gas money to go to work as well...
 
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I know plenty of people that are sitting at home doing nothing. If you add in the extra money for unemployment benefits for kids and not having to pay daycare, that 20% you calculated is gone. Then they are money ahead at that point. No gas money to go to work as well...
This is exactly right. For better or worse, most of our social benefit plans are modulated to create a situation in which there is always a marginal benefit to produce more. In theory, at least. In other words, we structure it so that the more that you do, always the more that you get. Whether that is marginalism in the tax rate, or in the welfare sphere. With recent moves we have completely crossed the line into disincentivizing work through a number of whole chunk payouts, and we are just seeing the results of those actions.
 
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I know plenty of people that are sitting at home doing nothing. If you add in the extra money for unemployment benefits for kids and not having to pay daycare, that 20% you calculated is gone. Then they are money ahead at that point. No gas money to go to work as well...

So this is the poor breeders that this nation seems to encourage so much.

We really need to change things up, incentivizing poor people to have kids is pants on head level retarded, and it also just about guarantees them to stay poor and reliant on gov


That said, as someone who goes out to eat probably too much, the places bitching about “people don’t want to work”, had high turnover before the wuhan flu.
 
Its an opportunity for a year long paid vacation that may not come around again. Some people will accept a paycut to have the year off. It’s as simple as that. Others break even or take a raise without coming in. I don’t even blame them for using the system as designed.
 
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So this is the poor breeders that this nation seems to encourage so much.

We really need to change things up, incentivizing poor people to have kids is pants on head level retarded, and it also just about guarantees them to stay poor and reliant on gov


That said, as someone who goes out to eat probably too much, the places bitching about “people don’t want to work”, had high turnover before the wuhan flu.
Look at the new child tax credit advancement starting in July to see if that makes it any clearer about what is going on.
 
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Its an opportunity for a year long paid vacation that may not come around again. Some people will accept a paycut to have the year off. It’s as simple as that. Others break even or take a raise without coming in. I don’t even blame them for using the system as designed.
Fuck no, they are smarter than some of us in my opinion. I'd do it in a heartbeat since my insurance is through my wife. Shoot 3-4 times a week, go fishing and spend time with my dogs while the government pays my bills. What's not to like...
 
Its an opportunity for a year long paid vacation that may not come around again. Some people will accept a paycut to have the year off. It’s as simple as that. Others break even or take a raise without coming in. I don’t even blame them for using the system as designed.

I hear ya, I actually debated it for half a second, I really could have given a shit about the gov and masses who caused and caved into this nonsense, but even though could go anywhere pretty easy, the places I wanted to go were “locked down” in mindless fear and bureaucracy, wouldn’t have been much of a vacation, I don’t do sitting at home very well, so I lived the high life according to the internet and news, making it rain with the massive 1200ish a mo for couple months lol, and promptly found a better gig.
 
Fuck no, they are smarter than some of us in my opinion. I'd do it in a heartbeat since my insurance is through my wife. Shoot 3-4 times a week, go fishing and spend time with my dogs while the government pays my bills. What's not to like...
The velvet handcuffs are stage 1 of socialism. Stay home, no upward mobility. Then trapped, no options but the big G. That's what's not to like. Our population is walking right up to the ledge of something very destructive while they are being given cake and rose sunglasses. It is this dissatisfaction with their condition eventually that will lead to a revolution that creates the groundswell for Bernie Sanders types to actually get what they want - socialist America. And it will end up being even worse than it is now.

Soviet Union breadlines. I still remember those news stories and videos.
 
Look at the new child tax credit advancement starting in July to see if that makes it any clearer about what is going on.

What was that thing George Carlin said, they don’t want smart people, they want people just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, but too dumb to sit down and figure how their being fucked over by the system.
 
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I hear ya, I actually debated it for half a second, I really could have given a shit about the gov and masses who caused and caved into this nonsense, but even though could go anywhere pretty easy, the places I wanted to go were “locked down” in mindless fear and bureaucracy, wouldn’t have been much of a vacation, I don’t do sitting at home very well, so I lived the high life according to the internet and news, making it rain with the massive 1200ish a mo for couple months lol, and promptly found a better gig.
$3,033 per month in Texas.

I came up nearly 4 grand short per month over this last year going to work. Its been much better this year though.
 
How much is a Twinkie and how many calories are in one?

Not likely you’ll be hungry, but you won’t be healthy, though lots of people who work and have some money also treat their body like a dumpster fire, as a single guy trying to find a girl who ain’t fat, I feel like a man looking for a glass of water in the desert.

Hunger isn’t a factor in modern America
Stick around...... change is on the way. It will be painful
 
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The velvet handcuffs are stage 1 of socialism. Stay home, no upward mobility. Then trapped, no options but the big G. That's what's not to like.

Mental atrophied, sitting at home doing nothing, sounds like kissing cousins with paralysis or death. It’s like the people who want to retire, like they hated their craft, which is really mostly what a man is, so they do something they hate for the prize of sitting and doing nothing, that sounds like living hell
 
The velvet handcuffs are stage 1 of socialism. Stay home, no upward mobility. Then trapped, no options but the big G. That's what's not to like. Our population is walking right up to the ledge of something very destructive while they are being given cake and rose sunglasses. It is this dissatisfaction with their condition eventually that will lead to a revolution that creates the groundswell for Bernie Sanders types to actually get what they want - socialist America. And it will end up being even worse than it is now.

Soviet Union breadlines. I still remember those news stories and videos.
It's already here to an extent and is coming in hot regardless of what I do. So again, what's not to like? I could take a year off and have no issues finding a job turning wrenches. There is no shortage of jobs for my profession.
 
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It's already here to an extent and is coming in hot regardless of what I do. So again, what's not to like? I could take a year off and have no issues finding a job turning wrenches. There is no shortage of jobs for my profession.

More money, even at 36k a year that’s a insane hit for many people, two lots of people like me REALLY enjoy their craft, I’d rather go to work and then go out shooting, or fishing, or hit the town, than sit on my ass and go out shooting or to town, especially as the amount of fun you can have on 36k a year is....lacking.

And if EVERYONE is at home, who’s going to bring me my beer and steak? Who’s going to run my dropzone, who’s going to sell me my bullets, etc
 
It's already here to an extent and is coming in hot regardless of what I do. So again, what's not to like? I could take a year off and have no issues finding a job turning wrenches. There is no shortage of jobs for my profession.
Self worth, value to your community and country come immediately to mind. But, if your moral compass is that fucked up, feel free to join the rest of the bottom feeders that are perfectly capable of working, could find a job but have chosen a path of societal worthlessness. My sincere hope is that you teach no one your ethics.
 
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Self worth, value to your community and country come immediately to mind. But, if your moral compass is that fucked up, feel free to join the rest of the bottom feeders that are perfectly capable of working, could find a job but have chosen a path of societal worthlessness. My sincere hope is that you teach no one your ethics.
I think you are missing the point of his posts.
 
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Do you know what virtue signaling is?

I don’t give two shits about a adda boy from anyone here, the topic was about how much money these UI programs pay out vs the average income people were getting pre-covid

Also if god made man with sin, sounds like god fucked up, he made me faulty and he’s going to bitch about me? Thats like making a shitty stair case and yelling at the stair case for being crappy. Superstition aside, it’s not a good sign when people think they need god or laws to be good people.
Ignorance...

Plain and simple.
 
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Enlighten me. I would be very glad to eat crow. Wouldn't be the first time I misunderstood something on the internet.
Whether anyone takes the money or not doesn't matter at this point. It's spent regardless. I don't blame those any longer that make use of the system as it's corrupt to the core. We allowed the system to exist so why bother getting upset about it if we are going to continue allowing it to exist. The fools are the ones who pay in their whole lives knowing that they are just getting fucked and that the politicians are stealing the money to enrich themselves, their puppet masters, to buy votes, and maybe paving a road every now and again. There are far worse things than taking getting back a little money that was paid into the system.

How are we somehow virtuous by ignoring the evil that's taking place underneath our noses? Hell we are part of it as we fund it. Watching our country being taken over by marxist politicians and oligarchs and doing nothing to stop it while understanding what we are leaving our young family members to deal with is probably the most selfish and despicable choices a man could make in his life. It's anything but virtuous.
 
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Whether anyone takes the money or not doesn't matter at this point. It's spent regardless. I don't blame those any longer that make use of the system as it's corrupt to the core. We allowed the system to exist so why bother getting upset about it if we are going to continue allowing it to exist. The fools are the ones who pay in their whole lives knowing that they are just getting fucked and that the politicians are stealing the money to enrich themselves, their puppet masters, to buy votes, and maybe paving a road every now and again. There are far worse things than taking getting back a little money that was paid into the system.

How are we somehow virtuous by ignoring the evil that's taking place underneath our noses? Hell we are part of it as we fund it. Watching our country being taken over by marxist politicians and oligarchs and doing nothing to stop it while understanding what we are leaving our young family members to deal with is probably the most selfish and despicable choices a man could make in his life. It's anything but virtuous.

Maybe
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I’m not following, so because I don’t want to have offspring at this point in my life that reaffirms your creation myth?

he's saying he is thankful you havent bred any offspring because he doesnt like your jerk-off name, he doesnt like your jerk-off face, he doesnt like your jerk-off behavior, and he doesnt like you.
 
he's saying he is thankful you havent bred any offspring because he doesnt like your jerk-off name, he doesnt like your jerk-off face, he doesnt like your jerk-off behavior, and he doesnt like you.

He doesn’t sound too bright

And what have I said that so deeply wounded him?
 
Whether anyone takes the money or not doesn't matter at this point. It's spent regardless. I don't blame those any longer that make use of the system as it's corrupt to the core. We allowed the system to exist so why bother getting upset about it if we are going to continue allowing it to exist. The fools are the ones who pay in their whole lives knowing that they are just getting fucked and that the politicians are stealing the money to enrich themselves, their puppet masters, to buy votes, and maybe paving a road every now and again. There are far worse things than taking getting back a little money that was paid into the system.

How are we somehow virtuous by ignoring the evil that's taking place underneath our noses? Hell we are part of it as we fund it. Watching our country being taken over by marxist politicians and oligarchs and doing nothing to stop it while understanding what we are leaving our young family members to deal with is probably the most selfish and despicable choices a man could make in his life. It's anything but virtuous.
I can understand this position, but internally I cannot do this. It isn't who I am. This is the most evil thing about all of this; its taking people's independence and virtue because it appears that virtue is absent everywhere else. But do two wrongs make a right? Should my personal values be sacrificed because the values of the leadership have been? At what point do you compromise so much that you are no longer able to raise your head in self-worth? The chipping away of our identity as an individual does occur and I perceive this type of decision is moving along that path. I appreciate the clarification of the statement but I cant agree with it.
 
Whether anyone takes the money or not doesn't matter at this point. It's spent regardless. I don't blame those any longer that make use of the system as it's corrupt to the core. We allowed the system to exist so why bother getting upset about it if we are going to continue allowing it to exist. The fools are the ones who pay in their whole lives knowing that they are just getting fucked and that the politicians are stealing the money to enrich themselves, their puppet masters, to buy votes, and maybe paving a road every now and again. There are far worse things than taking getting back a little money that was paid into the system.

How are we somehow virtuous by ignoring the evil that's taking place underneath our noses? Hell we are part of it as we fund it. Watching our country being taken over by marxist politicians and oligarchs and doing nothing to stop it while understanding what we are leaving our young family members to deal with is probably the most selfish and despicable choices a man could make in his life. It's anything but virtuous.
Couldn't have explained it any better at the point I was getting at. Apparently, my point was missed by a few. I'm working between 50-65 hours a week and have worked over 80 some weeks since overtime was lifted where I was working. Quit that job because of poor management with no notice and was working the following week. Still got 40 hours in that week even though I didn't start until Wednesday but I guess my moral compass is fucked😂😂😂
 
I can understand this position, but internally I cannot do this. It isn't who I am. This is the most evil thing about all of this; its taking people's independence and virtue because it appears that virtue is absent everywhere else. But do two wrongs make a right? Should my personal values be sacrificed because the values of the leadership have been? At what point do you compromise so much that you are no longer able to raise your head in self-worth? The chipping away of our identity as an individual does occur and I perceive this type of decision is moving along that path. I appreciate the clarification of the statement but I cant agree with it.

However do you pay into these excessive taxes fueling this system, and if on a jury of a person who refused to pay taxes under the current regime would you nullify?
 
I will concede you are probably much more experienced with being simple, care to state your case, your point of contention, or was the above about the most you can bring to bear on the subject?
There's no point explaining anything to you.

You are what you are.
 
I can understand this position, but internally I cannot do this. It isn't who I am. This is the most evil thing about all of this; its taking people's independence and virtue because it appears that virtue is absent everywhere else. But do two wrongs make a right? Should my personal values be sacrificed because the values of the leadership have been? At what point do you compromise so much that you are no longer able to raise your head in self-worth? The chipping away of our identity as an individual does occur and I perceive this type of decision is moving along that path. I appreciate the clarification of the statement but I cant agree with it.
The questions you ask are similar to those I did. I agree with all the points you are making. I acknowledge the evil that you pointed out. I also believe we all enable it as we allow the system and the people that created it solely for their benefit, to exist. Is this not passive moral degradation? We are literally watching a revolution within our country taking place yet we sit idle because of fear of prosecution from our boys in blue if we were to really do what it takes to squash this shit which doing so is morally and ethically necessary.

I think good men should stop compromising altogether in all areas.
 
The handouts are training more self-serving government employees. The work "Ethic" looks identical to me.
 
Anyone else here think that Capitalism has reached it's limits? Ever play Monopoly? The game I mean...what happens at the end of the game? 1 person has all the money, all the property, and everyone else is slowly losing it until one person runs the board and owns it all. In America, .01% of the people now own like 90% of the Assets and Capital. End game. The rest are done now and simply cannot recover...the game is over.

How will the new game resume? The board gets wiped and we start over...this is where we are now. The Game has reached it's conclusion and a miniscule amount of players have literally all of the Capital, power, and control the game. Reset. Start over - redistribute the "stuff" and start a new game. Our Government is owned/operated by the winners of the game (those with all the capital) and all they want is more, more, more and they want it from you. And I. And they want it no matter what happens to US because, well shit, they won the game and they make the rules.

Where now fellow Capitalists? I made 38% in the Market last year and I'm retiring and bankrolling my winnings and retiring from the game in about 16 months. Where now? The Game of Monopoly is over. What's yer Plan for a reset?

VooDoo
 
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In monopoly there is a finite amount of money. In true capitalism the value keeps growing. So they are not comparable. I.E Capitalism is not one pie. It is a pie factory.
 
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Our office has been at work as regular for over 9 months now. For those who think, "we can never go back."
 
UI is paying 32k a year in your area?

I’d bet there are lots of teens who would love to make 32k making pizzas while living at home with no expenses.

The places I see that have the issue are the ones paying a buck over minimum wage, random drug testing, expecting graveyard shifts on the regular, 1 day off a week, no set schedule, no benefits, and highly micromanaged. But it’s the bat flus fault we can’t keep staff
I missed this, there aren't lots of teens wanting to make that. The business closed it's doors last week because they couldn't get enough help to run the place. They are hoping to open up again whenever the extra money runs out but doesn't sound promising.
 
Our office has been at work as regular for over 9 months now. For those who think, "we can never go back."

it’s amazing going from a free state like FL where it’s 90% back to Brian’s and landing in NY or something where folks are still living out their walking dead fantasies, it’s like a different country.
 
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I missed this, there aren't lots of teens wanting to make that. The business closed it's doors last week because they couldn't get enough help to run the place. They are hoping to open up again whenever the extra money runs out but doesn't sound promising.

That’s crazy, it’s like the 15/16yr olds who have no desire to get their drivers license.
 
That’s crazy, it’s like the 15/16yr olds who have no desire to get their drivers license.
I’ve always believed that if a kid wasn’t motivated to get his driver’s license as soon as possible that he/she isn’t worth the air they breathe. Kinda like how you can tell a lot about a man by how he parks.
 
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Hunger isn’t a factor in modern America
There is a lot of hunger in America but it depends on your practical definition of the word.

I spend a fair % of time in SF, LA and NYC. There are lots of individuals and families that are hungry. I wouldn't think that it is any different at any other large metropolitan area. I also see it here in Newport, RI. It is a town of 24,000.

You know how I know that they are hungry...they don't ask for money. They want a meal

Fucking tragedy that it is happening in America

Fucking politicians in DC should be held accountable