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Suppressors plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

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#1
I was reading in another forum that even plated bullets are no good for the polly rifled barrels it has to be strictly jacked bullets.

true/false ? I personally dont seem to have any problems, no key holing, I have shout countless plated rounds threw my suppressor with no problems and i just cleaned it the other day and didnt notice any leading on the blast baffle so i turn to the pro's.

what do you think ?
 
#2
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

Yes and no. I've shot thousands of plated through my Glock and haven't had any problems. BUT, they say you're not supposed to shoot plated through a suppressor, its playing with fire, because the plating is a lot more likely to come apart at the muzzle than a normal jacketed bullet.

Whether or not you choose to believe this or not is up to you, but I certainly won't be shooting plated through my can.
 
#5
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you shoot Gold Dots? They're plated bullets.</div></div>

Are you sure? I think Gold Dots are "bonded", while a similar process is used to create the jacket, it doesn't have the same unpredictability as a true plated bullet. A plated bullet being a lead core, which is then submerged in a plating tank to give it a jacket.
 
#6
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


what do you think ? </div></div>

I think that you are an idiot and you really should make your own decisions, in the end we can only give suggestions.

Besides what does the range that you have to wear plates to think about plated bullets?
 
#7
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

Using plated bullets in a .45acp is not as big a deal as using them in significantly FASTER calibers like 9mm, etc.

The problem is that people buy the plated bullets and think it is okay to reload them using data for full metal jacketed bullets which is NOT the case. They should be loaded to cast lead velocities only. If you do run them up to higher velocities/higher pressures, you can get into some problems with tearing up the plating on the bullets, getting both excessive barrel leading and, with a suppressor, you can get leading and potentially baffle strikes.

Personally, while I have and still do run plated bullets through Glock and HK barrels, I don't know that I would take the chance on running them through any can because of even the potential for damage and the hell that is involved in repair of a suppressor, or God forbid, having to replace one!!

As to the Gold Dots...they are, in fact, BONDED. You won't have any issues with jacket seperation, leading, etc. with Gold Dots.
 
#8
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


what do you think ? </div></div>

I think that you are an idiot and you really should make your own decisions, in the end we can only give suggestions.

Besides what does the range that you have to wear plates to think about plated bullets? </div></div>


well i only found out about this last night jack ass so i havent really had the chance to ask them
 
#9
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


what do you think ? </div></div>

I think that you are an idiot and you really should make your own decisions, in the end we can only give suggestions.

Besides what does the range that you have to wear plates to think about plated bullets?</div></div>

Whoa buddy, that was...uncalled for?
 
#10
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TrooperBrian</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


what do you think ? </div></div>

I think that you are an idiot and you really should make your own decisions, in the end we can only give suggestions.

Besides what does the range that you have to wear plates to think about plated bullets?</div></div>


Whoa buddy, that was...uncalled for? </div></div>


ya he is a jiz bag like that.... oh well
 
#11
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TrooperBrian</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you shoot Gold Dots? They're plated bullets.</div></div>

Are you sure? I think Gold Dots are "bonded", while a similar process is used to create the jacket, it doesn't have the same unpredictability as a true plated bullet. A plated bullet being a lead core, which is then submerged in a plating tank to give it a jacket. </div></div>

You can call it whatever you want. It's a plated bullet.
 
#15
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Powder Burns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just clean your barrel more thoroughly after you are done shooting. (and don't load them hot) </div></div>

I dont shoot any thing hot... if any thing my pistol ammo might be loaded a hair soft to be honest
 
#16
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

Or start casting your own lead, mix in some magnum shotgun shot to get the Antimony content up and drop the bullets into a bucket of water.

They won't lead, the plating issue doesn't exist, and they go through suppressors with nary a hitch.

19lb of wheel weights
1lb of MAGNUM shotgun shot

Mix it up when it's all melted and start casting. Make sure you continue to add shot as you add lead.

I made a few hundred 175gr 40's this weekend for my G20 I've lost count with how many thousands have been through that pistol.
 
#17
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

I just realized my mistake. The idea of bullets coming apart at the muzzle was for FRANGIBLE bullets, not plated. I've never heard of such a problem with plated bullets.

So go ahead and just ignore what I said.
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#18
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

thanks for the heads up, I was a little worried about this but after thinking about this all day and all night last night i remember i have shot plated bullets into trees into rr ties and dug them out and they despite looking deformed look fine no plating chips no deforms or any thing.

I always clean every thing after a shoot even if i only put one magazine threw it and i clean my suppressor probably way to much... I have never seen plating chips or leading in my suppressors or bores, maybe the almighty is looking over me or something lol

now i have had jhp bullets with cracked plated jackets in which case i just tossed them. with over 2k rounds in my evo the blast baffle does not at all look leaded, i say if you do buy plated just buy quality plated bullets and you should be fine.

i do thank every one for their advice, it was interesting to find out about plated bullets i never gave this stuff a though before.
 
#19
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

Before I used Precision Delta I probably went through a few thousand rounds of Berry's. I never had a problem, and I can't imagine any fouling because regardless of the thickness, you're only contacting copper with the bore. But with the PD bullets the same price if not cheaper than the plated stuff, I just buy the jacketed.
 
#20
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TrooperBrian</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Before I used Precision Delta I probably went through a few thousand rounds of Berry's. I never had a problem, and I can't imagine any fouling because regardless of the thickness, you're only contacting copper with the bore. But with the PD bullets the same price if not cheaper than the plated stuff, I just buy the jacketed. </div></div>


i just came across pd and will be using them now... the price is right
 
#21
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TrooperBrian</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Before I used Precision Delta I probably went through a few thousand rounds of Berry's. I never had a problem, and I can't imagine any fouling because regardless of the thickness, you're only contacting copper with the bore. But with the PD bullets the same price if not cheaper than the plated stuff, I just buy the jacketed. </div></div>


i just came across pd and will be using them now... the price is right </div></div>

My 9mm bullets are under $60 a thou. Jacketed are a waste of money unless your barrel requires them.
 
#22
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TrooperBrian</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Before I used Precision Delta I probably went through a few thousand rounds of Berry's. I never had a problem, and I can't imagine any fouling because regardless of the thickness, you're only contacting copper with the bore. But with the PD bullets the same price if not cheaper than the plated stuff, I just buy the jacketed. </div></div>


i just came across pd and will be using them now... the price is right </div></div>

My 9mm bullets are under $60 a thou. Jacketed are a waste of money unless your barrel requires them.</div></div>

"Your"?
 
#23
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or start casting your own lead, mix in some magnum shotgun shot to get the Antimony content up and drop the bullets into a bucket of water.

They won't lead, the plating issue doesn't exist, and they go through suppressors with nary a hitch.

19lb of wheel weights
1lb of MAGNUM shotgun shot

Mix it up when it's all melted and start casting. Make sure you continue to add shot as you add lead.

I made a few hundred 175gr 40's this weekend for my G20 I've lost count with how many thousands have been through that pistol. </div></div>

Factory barrel, or aftermarket?
 
#24
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: B. Melick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or start casting your own lead, mix in some magnum shotgun shot to get the Antimony content up and drop the bullets into a bucket of water.

They won't lead, the plating issue doesn't exist, and they go through suppressors with nary a hitch.

19lb of wheel weights
1lb of MAGNUM shotgun shot

Mix it up when it's all melted and start casting. Make sure you continue to add shot as you add lead.

I made a few hundred 175gr 40's this weekend for my G20 I've lost count with how many thousands have been through that pistol. </div></div>

Factory barrel, or aftermarket? </div></div>

Both. The water quenched, antimony alloyed lead I'm using has a hardness of ~ 34-35.5 when I tested it.
 
#25
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

I've shot tons of plated bullets thru my factory Glock barrels,I always gave them a cleaning and had no issues.Now all of my Glocks other than my 9s have KKM barrels because of chamber support issues.As for jacket separation I havent personally experienced it but have read about it with hot loads with the 10mm.
 
#26
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

Its not a plated bullet. It is a copper jacket to which the bullet is either soldered to or chemically bonded to the lead core. Note each reference discusses the copper "jacket" You normally do this research yourself (LOL)

http://www.chuckhawks.com/bonded_bullets.htm

http://www.clearwater-bullets.com/

http://www.officer.com/print/Law-Enforcement-Technology/Putting-Bullets-To-The-Test/1$27983

And for the love of Christ, can you guys act like men and not children?

Name calling accomplishes nothing. Disagree with the post, not the person.

Are there a bunch of repetitive posts here? Of course. Are a lot of them silly to some of us? Absolutely. I continue to stress the fact that you chase away the real shooting talent from this forum with this "Internet AirSoft Gunfighter mentality".

I have no authority to demand anything from any of you other than being someone that has fired a few rounds of ammo and someone that tries to help those less experienced.

Thanks, Rant Complete
 
#27
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

Bohem, it's also possible to see leading from bullets that are too hard.

I think most of the older problems with plated bullets have been resolved. Most plated companies now rated their bullets to 1200fps plus. For larger bullets like magnums, they go even higher.

I used to use Precision Delta but their supply and delivery just isn't reliable for someone who goes through a few thousand bullets a week.
 
#28
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fast eddie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its not a plated bullet. It is a copper jacket to which the bullet is either soldered to or chemically bonded to the lead core. Note each reference discusses the copper "jacket" You normally do this research yourself (LOL)

http://www.chuckhawks.com/bonded_bullets.htm

http://www.clearwater-bullets.com/

http://www.officer.com/print/Law-Enforcement-Technology/Putting-Bullets-To-The-Test/1$27983

And for the love of Christ, can you guys act like men and not children?

Name calling accomplishes nothing. Disagree with the post, not the person.

Are there a bunch of repetitive posts here? Of course. Are a lot of them silly to some of us? Absolutely. I continue to stress the fact that you chase away the real shooting talent from this forum with this "Internet AirSoft Gunfighter mentality".

I have no authority to demand anything from any of you other than being someone that has fired a few rounds of ammo and someone that tries to help those less experienced.

Thanks, Rant Complete </div></div>

Please inform me as to the "difference" between "chemically bonded" and "plated."

It's just language.
 
#29
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

I think its more than semantics / language. I am not a bullet maker, but plated bullets have molten copper applied to an existing lead bullet, like dipping an ice cream cone in the chocolate sauce.

Bonded bullets start with a solid copper jacket, the difference being is that when the lead is added, there is some type of bonding process such as soldering that causes the lead to adhere to the inside of the jacket. I am not sure if it is swagged in or poured in, but I would say the two main differences are starting with the solid jacket and the physics / chemistry of bonding the lead to the jacket.

While I could see how adding molten copper to a bullet may cause some sort of soldering effect, I see the diference being the solid copper jacket to which the lead is added as opposed to molten copper added to an existing lead bullet.
 
#30
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fast eddie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its not a plated bullet. It is a copper jacket to which the bullet is either soldered to or chemically bonded to the lead core. Note each reference discusses the copper "jacket" You normally do this research yourself (LOL)

http://www.chuckhawks.com/bonded_bullets.htm

http://www.clearwater-bullets.com/

http://www.officer.com/print/Law-Enforcement-Technology/Putting-Bullets-To-The-Test/1$27983

And for the love of Christ, can you guys act like men and not children?

Name calling accomplishes nothing. Disagree with the post, not the person.

Are there a bunch of repetitive posts here? Of course. Are a lot of them silly to some of us? Absolutely. I continue to stress the fact that you chase away the real shooting talent from this forum with this "Internet AirSoft Gunfighter mentality".

I have no authority to demand anything from any of you other than being someone that has fired a few rounds of ammo and someone that tries to help those less experienced.

Thanks, Rant Complete </div></div>

Please inform me as to the "difference" between "chemically bonded" and "plated."

It's just language. </div></div>

Both of you need to take a Chemistry class.
smile.gif


Chemical bond occurs when a lead bullet is submerged in a copper rich solution and a chemical reaction takes place that leaves a copper deposit over the lead. A copper wash, popular with 22lr bullets.

Plated bullets involve electrical current passing between an anode and the part (the bullet) in a copper solution. It forms a much stronger bond and allows more control over the thickness of the plating. This is how the gold dot bullets are made.

Jacketed bullets are formed wrapping a thin copper sheet around a lead core. No bond is formed between the two metal.

Copper has a much higher melting point than lead. If you tried to dip a lead bullet in molten copper, it would liquefy upon contact.

 
#31
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fast eddie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its not a plated bullet. It is a copper jacket to which the bullet is either soldered to or chemically bonded to the lead core. Note each reference discusses the copper "jacket" You normally do this research yourself (LOL)

http://www.chuckhawks.com/bonded_bullets.htm

http://www.clearwater-bullets.com/

http://www.officer.com/print/Law-Enforcement-Technology/Putting-Bullets-To-The-Test/1$27983

And for the love of Christ, can you guys act like men and not children?

Name calling accomplishes nothing. Disagree with the post, not the person.

Are there a bunch of repetitive posts here? Of course. Are a lot of them silly to some of us? Absolutely. I continue to stress the fact that you chase away the real shooting talent from this forum with this "Internet AirSoft Gunfighter mentality".

I have no authority to demand anything from any of you other than being someone that has fired a few rounds of ammo and someone that tries to help those less experienced.

Thanks, Rant Complete </div></div>

Please inform me as to the "difference" between "chemically bonded" and "plated."

It's just language. </div></div>

Both of you need to take a Chemistry class.
smile.gif


Chemical bond occurs when a lead bullet is submerged in a copper rich solution and a chemical reaction takes place that leaves a copper deposit over the lead. A copper wash, popular with 22lr bullets.

Plated bullets involve electrical current passing between an anode and the part (the bullet) in a copper solution. It forms a much stronger bond and allows more control over the thickness of the plating. This is how the gold dot bullets are made.

Jacketed bullets are formed wrapping a thin copper sheet around a lead core. No bond is formed between the two metal.

Copper has a much higher melting point than lead. If you tried to dip a lead bullet in molten copper, it would liquefy upon contact.

</div></div>

I have taken a chemistry class, thank you very much.

Plating is a chemical process. Electrical charge is the strongest way to make a chemical bond.

+1 on the molten copper comment. I'm actually wondering wtf he was thinking. Molten copper? Yeah right.

Plating is an electrical process.
 
#32
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fast eddie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its not a plated bullet. It is a copper jacket to which the bullet is either soldered to or chemically bonded to the lead core. Note each reference discusses the copper "jacket" You normally do this research yourself (LOL)

http://www.chuckhawks.com/bonded_bullets.htm

http://www.clearwater-bullets.com/

http://www.officer.com/print/Law-Enforcement-Technology/Putting-Bullets-To-The-Test/1$27983

And for the love of Christ, can you guys act like men and not children?

Name calling accomplishes nothing. Disagree with the post, not the person.

Are there a bunch of repetitive posts here? Of course. Are a lot of them silly to some of us? Absolutely. I continue to stress the fact that you chase away the real shooting talent from this forum with this "Internet AirSoft Gunfighter mentality".

I have no authority to demand anything from any of you other than being someone that has fired a few rounds of ammo and someone that tries to help those less experienced.

Thanks, Rant Complete </div></div>

Please inform me as to the "difference" between "chemically bonded" and "plated."

It's just language. </div></div>

Both of you need to take a Chemistry class.
smile.gif


Chemical bond occurs when a lead bullet is submerged in a copper rich solution and a chemical reaction takes place that leaves a copper deposit over the lead. A copper wash, popular with 22lr bullets.

Plated bullets involve electrical current passing between an anode and the part (the bullet) in a copper solution. It forms a much stronger bond and allows more control over the thickness of the plating. This is how the gold dot bullets are made.

Jacketed bullets are formed wrapping a thin copper sheet around a lead core. No bond is formed between the two metal.

Copper has a much higher melting point than lead. If you tried to dip a lead bullet in molten copper, it would liquefy upon contact.

</div></div>

I have taken a chemistry class, thank you very much.

Plating is a chemical process. Electrical charge is the strongest way to make a chemical bond.

+1 on the molten copper comment. I'm actually wondering wtf he was thinking. Molten copper? Yeah right.

Plating is an electrical process. </div></div>

Then why did you ask?

While plating is a process that involves + and - charged ions, not all plating processes involve a rectifier(power source).
 
#33
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

I said I was not a bullet maker.

Bonded bullets are not plated.

I dated my chemistry prof in college and thats how I passed. Obviously chemistry is not my strong point. Ultimately I guess it doesn't matter as the paper you shoot cares not about how the holes are made.

RAD, Thanks for setting me straight.

Downzero, Well, at least you are consistent.

Now that all the dick measuring is done about who makes bonded bullets and how, does anyone have a reasonable answer to the OP?
 
#34
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I was reading in another forum that even plated bullets are no good for the polly rifled barrels it has to be strictly jacked bullets.

true/false ? I personally dont seem to have any problems, no key holing, I have shout countless plated rounds threw my suppressor with no problems and i just cleaned it the other day and didnt notice any leading on the blast baffle so i turn to the pro's.

what do you think ? </div></div>

If you have been using them and don't see any leading and accuracy is good, keep on truckin.
 
#35
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

I've shot'm in mine 9,40,45 havent had a prb. Not doing crazy speeds the accuracy isnt match grade but neither is my Glock I'm just punchin holes. Accurate enough for their intended purpose. Havent noted any issues with leading but as I had said i'm not pushing them very hard and I'm shooting the mid to heavy weights.
 
#36
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hill billy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Bohem, it's also possible to see leading from bullets that are too hard.</span>

I think most of the older problems with plated bullets have been resolved. Most plated companies now rated their bullets to 1200fps plus. For larger bullets like magnums, they go even higher.

I used to use Precision Delta but their supply and delivery just isn't reliable for someone who goes through a few thousand bullets a week. </div></div>

Yes, you're quite right. When they get too hard and won't obturate into the rifling properly the gas flow-by leads the crap out of the barrels. This can be fixed by sizing 0.001" over nominal and softening the lead up.

In a 40 cal I size the 34 hardness bullets to 0.401 and haven't had problems at all.
 
#37
Re: plated bullets in glocks and hk's ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fast eddie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I said I was not a bullet maker.

Bonded bullets are not plated.

I dated my chemistry prof in college and thats how I passed. Obviously chemistry is not my strong point. Ultimately I guess it doesn't matter as the paper you shoot cares not about how the holes are made.

RAD, Thanks for setting me straight.

Downzero, Well, at least you are consistent.

Now that all the dick measuring is done about who makes bonded bullets and how, does anyone have a reasonable answer to the OP? </div></div>


I have pretty much just decided i have like 4k of these plated bullets loaded... have seen no ill effects in the past 6 years i have had my usp so iam going to keep on marching... from here on out though i will buy delta bullets if i can
 
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