Re: Please enjoy this war with Iran.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VYD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having succeeded not just in defending itself but expanding it's borders against the Arab League and maintaining it's military superiority in the region since the last war I assume you aren't questioning their abilities.</div></div>
I know, I know, the Fox and CNN News always tell the objective, complete, and unbiased truth!
From 1896 to 1906, European Jews, separated from their ancient homeland for 2,000 years, wanted to create their own nation...Some of them favored Palestine while others wanted to move to Argentina. In 1906 those who favored Palestine won the argument, and the Jews moved to the area. They did not ask the Palestinian Arabs for permission. Now, I have no idea whether or not it would have been different had they gone to Argentina instead. However, I believe that the Middle East region would have been a better, safer place today...Now we have Hizbollah that grew out of the Iranian Revolution as a result of the ISRAELI invasion into Lebanon in 1982. Sure, it's all Hizbollah's fault...
In case of Gaza Strip and Gaza, we are talking about Mediterranean access - a great strategic and economic point. In case of Israel disputing West Bank, well, who'd want their country divided in half by the buffer zone like this? This is not just a security concern. Trade and Billions of $$$!!! And again, the more people you conquer, the more people you can tax...
So you might want to re-think what you think you know. When Israel “accidently” bombs Palestinian schools and slaughters 250 children in 10 days (yeah, I know, it was a 10-day long accident), when they seize a humanitarian ship full of medical supplies, food, and toys for children, I can't help but think how great Israel really is defending itself from its evil neighbors...
</div></div>
Well, you could always disagree with this muslim politician/Shi'a man from Iraq just speaking some truth, but it would be inconvenient for the Jew hate in ya:
<object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/AT031csTNcE"></param> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/AT031csTNcE" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"> </embed></object>
Thing is, the muslim claim to the land is ENTIRELY religious. I could wipe the floor with you on this issue, but it would involve breaking the rules of the forum. Instead, I'll probably put together a blog post.
Key issue: if one were to bring all this up in 1947/48, they MIGHT have an argument. Now? No way. Israel is established and the so-called Palestinians are in it to win it for the Caliphate, bar-none.
Also, check out this quote from Zuheir Mohsen, PLO member, giving an interview in the 1977 Dutch newspaper Trouw...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of ONE people, the Arab nation. Look, I have family members with Palestinian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Syrian citizenship. We are ONE people. Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity.
A separate Palestinian entity needs to fight for the national interest in the then remaining occupied territories. The Jordanian government cannot speak for Palestinians in Israel, Lebanon or Syria. Jordan is a state with specific borders. It cannot lay claim on - for instance - Haifa or Jaffa, while I AM entitled to Haifa, Jaffa, Jerusalem en Beersheba. Jordan can only speak for Jordanians and the Palestinians in Jordan. The Palestinian state would be entitled to represent all Palestinians in the Arab world en elsewhere. Once we have accomplished all of our rights in all of Palestine, we shouldn't postpone the unification of Jordan and Palestine for one second.</div></div>
And also consider the outright lies of Yasser Arafat-ass, in saying the Jordanians killed a huge number (25k or so) during the Black September uprisings. When, in fact, it was only a few thousand and the PLO brought it on themselves. The Arab entities have treated the so-called Palestinians like crap as a propaganda effort to secure the land for the Caliphate and Arab-Muslim domination of the region as a springboard to the world. I mean, it's all right there in the charters of PLO and HAMAS, insofar as the caliphate and shariah, as well as the writings of Hezbollah.
These are the declared ideologies of:
HAMAS:
Link PLO:
Link Hezbollah: ( a little trickier since they technically released their 1985 manifesto as an "open letter" instead of codified like the HAMAS and PLO.)
1985:
Lin 1 (PDF) 2009:
Link 2 (the brackets in the link preclude hyperlinking, copy all and paste, as the auto-link is incorrect)
http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1tx_ttnews[tt_news]=35830
Christian/Maronite view of Hezbollah:
http://www.alcc-research.com/perspective/Hezbollah_SGemayel.html ------
<span style="color: #990000">Facts, ain't they a bitch? </span> </div></div>
Yes they are. Heres some more for ya. [video:youtube]
http://youtu.be/xZdjvAH3Mus[/video] If youd like to try to wip[e the floor with ME Ill gladly give yuo the opportunity. Lets take it off forum.