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PMG Fall Team Match, Oct 15-16,Cookeville TN

Re: PMG Fall Team Match, Oct 15-16,Cookeville TN

Hey all pics are available online @ http://www.photobucket.com/ANGER762. The albim is PMGSHOOT password protected so no one else can see the photos and noone's images are floating around in cyberspace.Message me for the password.

BTW thanks to Tom,Scott and Ryan for letting me hang around and help out. It was great to meet all of the shooters and hopefully I will shoot the next one.
 
Re: PMG Fall Team Match, Oct 15-16,Cookeville TN

AAR Continued.
As shooters we should be interested in the skills that we struggle with. Many times when we go out and practice, we will train on skills that we are comfortable with, good at or are easy to set up. The exciting aspects of these numbers are that our overall hit percentage for Fall PMG was higher than Spring PMG. The fall match was set up to be more challenging then our spring match.
The table below represents our scoring % for each stage.

Stage Max points Stage % Average score Percentage
Poke 1 10 6% 4.1 41%
Poke 2 10 6% 2.8 28%
RIP 24 15% 8.5 35%
Milling 18 11% 8.3 46%
KYL 34 21% 9.3 27%
Raid 20 12% 7.8 39%
VI 24 15% 21.5 89%
QRF 24 15% 17.4 73%
Total 164 79.7 49%

PMG matches are designed to test the shooting team’s skill set and the stages are weighted accordingly. Many late nights and “discussion” have been conducted in an attempt to accurately reflect what tasks and skill sets are required to fight survive and win as a shooting team. Every single piece of steel is measured at least twice. The distances are measured from the target back to the shooting box by two different laser range finders and the stages are shot by Ryan, Tom and myself multiple times in order to accurately predict the winning score, average hit percentage and low score. We were within 2 points predicting the winning score, 4 points of the lowest and 8 points for the overall average score.
In other words we don’t just put steel out in a field and guess….
Milling, KYL, RIP, poke 1 and poke 2 were designed so that the best spotter shooter team would win. QRF, VI, Raid are designed to test the teams ability to fight and survive.
We are going to bring some additional stages in to the next match that will fall in line with fight survive and win and will be weighted accordingly.
Analyzing the numbers:
The conclusions we can draw from this information are that as a community we need to train on spotting and milling.
Scoring percentages for poke 1 and 2 fall directly in line with our milling percentage at KYL 40% on the full size IPSC and 30% on the 2/3 IPSC was very predictable.
Hit % on QRF and VI demonstrate our ability to shoot as individuals.
Milling Practice
Cut out a few pieces of plastic, paper or any other material into circles, squares or IPSC shapes then measure the pieces for dimensions. The targets that you cut do not have to be full size 8”, 10” etc you can reduce these targets to whatever size you need in order to practice on sub 1 mil targets given the amount of space you have. Find a reasonable distance where your scope will be able to focus then place the objects up at an unknown distance and begin practice. Tooth picks, chop sticks or soda straws with .5”, .66”, .75” and 1” targets work well for the average back yard. Mil you targets record your findings then measure the distance and work until you can get within + or – 2%.
The average external entry door is 80”x 36” mil your neighbor’s door across the street 36” X 27.78 = 1008.08 / 7.15 mils = 139.871 yards, get your distance then attempt to figure out the dimension of his windows 139.871 X mils (5.25) = 754.719 / 27.78 = 26.5” Then knock on his door and compliment him on his windows mention that you are planning to upgrade your windows then ask if you can measure them to see if they will work for your house.
Spotting practice
Next time you go out to practice with your shooting buddies work on spotting trace and making corrections. I know it is a pain in the ass to conduct shooter spotter communications for every shot we take in a practice session but developing an efficient effect communications strategy where shooter and spotter are speaking the same language will bring the hit% on the Pokes up dramatically.
Additionally, we will need to work on a time restricted communications program. As soon as the wind call is made the round is sent
Example shooter “mils .55”, spotter “distance 500, winds .3 left” BANG
 
Re: PMG Fall Team Match, Oct 15-16,Cookeville TN

table in question from website:

fall11stats.jpg
 
Re: PMG Fall Team Match, Oct 15-16,Cookeville TN

AAR quoted with table from Taliv inserted:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ssatt68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AAR Continued.
As shooters we should be interested in the skills that we struggle with. Many times when we go out and practice, we will train on skills that we are comfortable with, good at or are easy to set up. The exciting aspects of these numbers are that our overall hit percentage for Fall PMG was higher than Spring PMG. The fall match was set up to be more challenging then our spring match.
The table below represents our scoring % for each stage.

fall11stats.jpg


PMG matches are designed to test the shooting team’s skill set and the stages are weighted accordingly. Many late nights and “discussion” have been conducted in an attempt to accurately reflect what tasks and skill sets are required to fight survive and win as a shooting team. Every single piece of steel is measured at least twice. The distances are measured from the target back to the shooting box by two different laser range finders and the stages are shot by Ryan, Tom and myself multiple times in order to accurately predict the winning score, average hit percentage and low score. We were within 2 points predicting the winning score, 4 points of the lowest and 8 points for the overall average score.
In other words we don’t just put steel out in a field and guess….
Milling, KYL, RIP, poke 1 and poke 2 were designed so that the best spotter shooter team would win. QRF, VI, Raid are designed to test the teams ability to fight and survive.
We are going to bring some additional stages in to the next match that will fall in line with fight survive and win and will be weighted accordingly.
Analyzing the numbers:
The conclusions we can draw from this information are that as a community we need to train on spotting and milling.
Scoring percentages for poke 1 and 2 fall directly in line with our milling percentage at KYL 40% on the full size IPSC and 30% on the 2/3 IPSC was very predictable.
Hit % on QRF and VI demonstrate our ability to shoot as individuals.
Milling Practice
Cut out a few pieces of plastic, paper or any other material into circles, squares or IPSC shapes then measure the pieces for dimensions. The targets that you cut do not have to be full size 8”, 10” etc you can reduce these targets to whatever size you need in order to practice on sub 1 mil targets given the amount of space you have. Find a reasonable distance where your scope will be able to focus then place the objects up at an unknown distance and begin practice. Tooth picks, chop sticks or soda straws with .5”, .66”, .75” and 1” targets work well for the average back yard. Mil you targets record your findings then measure the distance and work until you can get within + or – 2%.
The average external entry door is 80”x 36” mil your neighbor’s door across the street 36” X 27.78 = 1008.08 / 7.15 mils = 139.871 yards, get your distance then attempt to figure out the dimension of his windows 139.871 X mils (5.25) = 754.719 / 27.78 = 26.5” Then knock on his door and compliment him on his windows mention that you are planning to upgrade your windows then ask if you can measure them to see if they will work for your house.
Spotting practice
Next time you go out to practice with your shooting buddies work on spotting trace and making corrections. I know it is a pain in the ass to conduct shooter spotter communications for every shot we take in a practice session but developing an efficient effect communications strategy where shooter and spotter are speaking the same language will bring the hit% on the Pokes up dramatically.
Additionally, we will need to work on a time restricted communications program. As soon as the wind call is made the round is sent
Example shooter “mils .55”, spotter “distance 500, winds .3 left” BANG
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Great job Ryan, Scott and Tom.
I really enjoyed the match, learned from it, and look forward to the next one.
 
Re: PMG Fall Team Match, Oct 15-16,Cookeville TN

The Match was great! Our crew had a fun time. Ryan, Scott, and Tom ran a good match. Thanks! Thanks, also to Mike Lutz and his family for letting us shoot the match on his property. He is a special guy.

The Match was a nice mix of stages with targets that novices like me could get some hits on and yet provided challenges to the experienced competion shooters.

We will definately shoot the Spring 2012 PMG Match.

George