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Police kill 15 year old boy in San diego.

Maggot

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    This is so sad. Im not judging anyone, in fact I feel for what the two cops must be going through at this time. Even a justified shooting of a 15 year old must cut really deep in the heart. Sounds like the kid wanted to die. How fucked up is this world when things like this happen. What would push a child, and at 15 for all intents and purposes, hes a child, to do this? My heart grieves for them all.

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    [h=1]San Diego police killed boy, 15, in school parking lot[/h]
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    SAN DIEGO (AP) — Police shot and killed a 15-year-old student Saturday after he pointed a BB gun at them in a high school parking lot, authorities said.

    The Torrey Pines High School student called 911 shortly before 3:30 a.m. to ask officers to check on the welfare of an unarmed boy in front of the school, according to a police statement.

    He didn't name the boy, but investigators later determined he was referring to himself, police said.

    When two officers arrived, they spotted a youth in the front parking lot. But as they got out of their patrol cars, he pulled a gun from his waistband and pointed it at an officer, police said.

    The officers drew their guns and ordered him to drop the weapon. But instead he began to walk toward an officer, ignoring more demands to drop the weapon, police said.

    Both officers fired, hitting him several times. They performed first aid and summoned paramedics, but the teen was pronounced dead at a hospital, police said.

    The gun was found to be a BB air pistol.

    Police didn't release the teen's name because of his age.

    "Our hearts go out to the student, his family and his friends," said a statement from Eric Dill, superintendent of the San Diego Union High School District.

    A crisis-response team will be on campus Monday to support students, staff and parents, Dill said. Counseling also will be available at all district schools for anyone who needs a place to talk about the shooting or "to mourn and process this tragedy," he said.
     
    It's a tragedy, but it sounds like the police did what they were trained to do.
    If my son was a cop, I would have expected him to do the same thing.
    Until someone invents technology that can read the minds and intentions of the suspect, police must assume the worst and hope for the best. They deserve to go home to their families just like everyone else.
     
    It's a tragedy, but it sounds like the police did what they were trained to do.
    If my son was a cop, I would have expected him to do the same thing.
    Until someone invents technology that can read the minds and intentions of the suspect, police must assume the worst and hope for the best. They deserve to go home to their families just like everyone else.

    100% agree, its just so sad.
     
    A pretty clear case of suicide by cop and the officers showed exceptional restraint by not firing when the kids drew and pointed the weapon at them. Some of the more expensive BB guns can put a BB or pellet right thru an eye into the brain cavity.
     
    We had a program when I was that age.

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    I was in a similar program from about 8 until I got married at 26, only it involved hay bales instead of tobacco leaves. It really is amazing how few problems you have when you don't have idle time to sit and think about how many problems you think you have...
     
    I was in a similar program from about 8 until I got married at 26, only it involved hay bales instead of tobacco leaves. It really is amazing how few problems you have when you don't have idle time to sit and think about how many problems you think you have...

    This
     
    We used to live down the street from this school. One of the best, if not the best, high schools in California.

    What I'm curious about are the medications this kid was on. Dollars to donuts that teen was on some psychotropic medication. There is, I suspect, a suicide connection that the pharmaceutical industry has, by and large, kept out of the national conversation.

    I do agree that the devil will find work for idle hands to do.

    I've personally known several people who have killed themselves. Two in particular were incredibly attractive, nice, popular, and successful. The proverbial "I never would have suspected" people.

    I feel for the cops drawn in to someone's suicide. And I feel for the family of this young man. They probably thought they had done everything right as evidenced by their ability to see their son enrolled here.

    If I weren't such a slacker I would research suicide rates today compared to fifty years ago. Despite therapy and drugs to make you feel "better" being so ubiquitous today, I suspect teen suicide was more unusual back then.

    From the news I read it strikes me that many teens are driven to suicide by bullying today. When I was young it seemed cruel, but all part of establishing pecking order. I'm under the impression there has been a concerted effort in recent decades to eliminate this process, which is natural to most mammals.

    I'm not convinced this has been an entirely good thing.

    Perhaps it is a question of degrees. I firmly believe everyone should read Golding's "Lord of the Flies." I don't think it is taught as much today. If liberals knew that the notions of the "wisdom" or "innocence" of children was utter rubbish, and Golding's vision of the true state of man was more accurate, they might be less inclined to put control over so much of their lives into the hands of strangers.

    Which leads me to wonder: If this teen was not on psychotropic meds, was he bullied? And were the homes of the bullies, and/or victim, devoid of the father figures who traditionally straightened young men out, and toughened them up?

    I have no definitive answers. But at the risk of sounding too much like the denizen of the Teddy Bear Pit, than the Bear Pit, I urge those of you who may have children and are teetering on the edge of divorce to do all they can to keep your marriages intact. This may involve some of life's most difficult tests. Such as swallowing one's pride. If you're thinking you just want to be with someone who understands you more or makes more sense, I posit you may as well be talking about looking for another man. Because that doesn't sound like a woman you're going to find. So you may as well do what you can to keep the one you've got.

    Sermon over. Carry on.
     
    We used to live down the street from this school. One of the best, if not the best, high schools in California.

    What I'm curious about are the medications this kid was on. Dollars to donuts that teen was on some psychotropic medication. There is, I suspect, a suicide connection that the pharmaceutical industry has, by and large, kept out of the national conversation.

    I do agree that the devil will find work for idle hands to do.

    I've personally known several people who have killed themselves. Two in particular were incredibly attractive, nice, popular, and successful. The proverbial "I never would have suspected" people.

    I feel for the cops drawn in to someone's suicide. And I feel for the family of this young man. They probably thought they had done everything right as evidenced by their ability to see their son enrolled here.

    If I weren't such a slacker I would research suicide rates today compared to fifty years ago. Despite therapy and drugs to make you feel "better" being so ubiquitous today, I suspect teen suicide was more unusual back then.

    From the news I read it strikes me that many teens are driven to suicide by bullying today. When I was young it seemed cruel, but all part of establishing pecking order. I'm under the impression there has been a concerted effort in recent decades to eliminate this process, which is natural to most mammals.

    I'm not convinced this has been an entirely good thing.

    Perhaps it is a question of degrees. I firmly believe everyone should read Golding's "Lord of the Flies." I don't think it is taught as much today. If liberals knew that the notions of the "wisdom" or "innocence" of children was utter rubbish, and Golding's vision of the true state of man was more accurate, they might be less inclined to put control over so much of their lives into the hands of strangers.

    Which leads me to wonder: If this teen was not on psychotropic meds, was he bullied? And were the homes of the bullies, and/or victim, devoid of the father figures who traditionally straightened young men out, and toughened them up?

    I have no definitive answers. But at the risk of sounding too much like the denizen of the Teddy Bear Pit, than the Bear Pit, I urge those of you who may have children and are teetering on the edge of divorce to do all they can to keep your marriages intact. This may involve some of life's most difficult tests. Such as swallowing one's pride. If you're thinking you just want to be with someone who understands you more or makes more sense, I posit you may as well be talking about looking for another man. Because that doesn't sound like a woman you're going to find. So you may as well do what you can to keep the one you've got.

    Sermon over. Carry on.

    Thats beautiful brother, thanks for posting.
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    WTF are the parents, the kid is 15 and its 3:30am. I know when I was 15 of 2 things - my parents knew where i was, and i sure as hell wasnt out at 3:30am. Parenting seems optional these days.
     
    WTF are the parents, the kid is 15 and its 3:30am. I know when I was 15 of 2 things - my parents knew where i was, and i sure as hell wasnt out at 3:30am. Parenting seems optional these days.

    You think that teenagers sneaking out of the house at night when their parents are sleeping is a new trend that started with this generation?
    Teenagers sneaking out of the house has been happening for a loooooooooooong time.
     
    You think that teenagers sneaking out of the house at night when their parents are sleeping is a new trend that started with this generation?
    Teenagers sneaking out of the house has been happening for a loooooooooooong time.

    Maybe in your house, not mine. My children respect me too much and vice versa.
     
    You think that teenagers sneaking out of the house at night when their parents are sleeping is a new trend that started with this generation?
    Teenagers sneaking out of the house has been happening for a loooooooooooong time.

    Never happened in my parents' house. The consequences would have been unthinkable.
     
    We had a program when I was that age.

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    Haven't been in a packhouse in 45? years. First job was removing cured tobacco from the sticks. Must have been about six or seven. Made a penny a stick. At ten started driving the tractor making big bucks ($8 daily).

    If you think your child can't be suicidal because you reared him right, you're a fool.