post office know it all's

mexicanmatch

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Was at the PO filling out some pmo when a man came in with a large box. Counter girl asks what in the box , he reply's a broken down shotgun going back to the maker. She jumped back and said get that box out of here. Post master runs up and backs her up. I jumped in and said no mam you can't do that go check your regs and you will find it is on the list that can be shipped by the PO. The man said the same thing. So PM ran back and short time later giving us both a look that would kill said to counter girl "go ahead and take it" New PM but what a bitch and dumb as a bucket of hammers. MM
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mexican match</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Counter girl

dumb as a bucket of hammers. MM </div></div>

Federal employee and dumb in the same sentence.... naaa
 
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I ran into the same thing about a year ago. I took a rifle that i had sold into the post office to mail. When they asked what it contained, I told them it was a rifle. Everybody within hearing distance looked at me like I was a terrorist. I had a copy of the rules from the ATF website but that wasn't good enough.

I took it to another post office, the Post Master said is that legal to ship and I told him it was. He said I don't have a problem with it as long as it is legal. You just have to find a Post Master that is not anti-gun.
 
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O no not the hammers. This happened in a small town out in the county with lots of pro gunners and a PO with workers dumb as a bucket of hammers. there i said it again.
 
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Work in the shooting industry and it's amazing the number of ATF agents we run into who don't know their own regs and rules. Demanding that dealers have copies of our ffl when it's not required, to the point of threatening to pull their licenses. Once a year my boss will read through all of their regs just so we can correct them.

There's another bunch of hammers for you, and these have some pretty blunt heads.

Charlie
 
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never tell them whats in the box. Parts is parts, and liquids is liquids. Get yourself an online postage account and print your own labels. Box them up, and take them to the post office. Ask simply,"Where do I put prepaid boxes at?" They will either take it, or show you where to put it. Walk away.
Don't volunteer information when you know by regs they have to ship it. Know your stuff. I have used the USPS for years and have shipped the world over with no issues except a few broken glass topped humidors that were already broken from the manufacturer and sent UPS
 
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When mailing a firearm you must inform the shipper or post office bimbo. The box cannot be marked as containing a firearm. The post office has to ship it priority mail.
I had the same experience last year. Small town, bright lights, Saturday night, and Lydia is at the counter of the post office. Her small eyes sunk deep in her fat. Dumb as a bag of.....dogshit.
(that way I am in no trouble with the hammer mafia)
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fw707</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, but John Prine's gonna be pissed. </div></div>

I think Prine would be proud, but Donald would be pissed.
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Now add shaved heads and bunk beds,....
 
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I printed off a copy of their regs and take it with me when shipping a firearm . Their regs are probably over a 1000 pages and it seems unreasonable to expect people to memorize the entire thing so I bring along the part that's important to me and look at it as a teaching opportunity . Fear of firearms makes a lot of people in this country behave unreasonably and the folks at the Post Office are no exception .

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11.1 Pistols, Revolvers, and Other Concealable Firearms

11.1.1 Definitions

The terms used in this standard are defined as follows:

a. Handgun means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm or device the mailing of which is regulated by this standard.

b. Pistol or revolver means a handgun styled to be fired by the use of a single hand and to fire or otherwise expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force to be used as a weapon.

c. Firearm means any device, including a starter gun, designed to, or that may readily be converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force to be used as a weapon.

d. Other firearms capable of being concealed on the person include, but are not limited to, short-barreled shotguns and short-barreled rifles.

e. Short-barreled shotgun means a shotgun that has one or more barrels less than 18 inches long. The term short-barreled rifle means a rifle that has one or more barrels less than 16 inches long. These definitions include any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches. A short-barreled shotgun or rifle of greater dimension may be regarded as nonmailable when it has characteristics to allow concealment on the person.

f. Licensed manufacturer and licensed dealer mean, respectively, a manufacturer of firearms or a bona fide dealer of firearms, duly licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury, under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-618), 18 USC 921, et seq.

g. Antique firearm means any firearm (including those with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898, or any replica thereof, if such replica:

1. Is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition.

2. Uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the United States and that is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

11.1.2 Handguns

Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person (referred to as handguns) are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in 11.1.3 and 11.1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 11.1.4 and 11.1.6.

11.1.3 Authorized Persons

Subject to 11.1.4, handguns may be mailed by a licensed manufacturer of firearms, a licensed dealer of firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or the government of a state, territory, or district, only when addressed to a person in one of the following categories for use in the person's official duties:

a. Officers of the Army, Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, or Organized Reserve Corps.

b. Officers of the National Guard or militia of a state, territory, or district.

c. Officers of the United States or of a state, territory, or district, whose official duty is to serve warrants of arrest or commitment.

d. USPS employees authorized by the Chief Postal Inspector.

e. Officers and employees of enforcement agencies of the United States.

f. Watchmen engaged in guarding the property of the United States, a state, territory, or district.

g. Purchasing agent or other designated member of agencies employing officers and employees included in 11.1.3c. through 11.1.3e.

11.1.4 Affidavit of Addressee

Any person proposing to mail a handgun under 11.1.3 must file with the postmaster, at the time of mailing, an affidavit signed by the addressee setting forth that the addressee is qualified to receive the firearm under a particular category of 11.1.3a. through 11.1.3g, and that the firearm is intended for the addressee's official use. The affidavit must also bear a certificate stating that the firearm is for the official duty use of the addressee, signed by one of the following, as appropriate:

a. For officers of Armed Forces, by the commanding officer.

b. For officers and employees of enforcement agencies, by the head of the agency employing the addressee to perform the official duty with which the firearm is to be used.

c. For watchmen, by the chief clerk of the department, bureau, or independent branch of the government of the United States, the state, the territory, or the district by which the watchman is employed.

d. For the purchasing agent or other designated member of enforcement agencies, by the head of such agency, that the firearm is to be used by an officer or employee included in 11.1.3c. through 11.1.3e, Authorized Persons.

11.1.5 Manufacturers and Dealers

Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms and licensed dealers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts.

11.1.6 Certificate of Manufacturers and Dealers

A licensed manufacturer or dealer need not file the affidavit under 11.1.4, but must file with the postmaster a statement on Form 1508 signed by the mailer that he or she is a licensed manufacturer or dealer of firearms, that the parcels containing handguns (or major component parts thereof) are customary trade shipments or contain such articles for repairing or replacing parts, and that to the best of his or her knowledge or belief the addressees are licensed manufacturers or dealers of firearms.

11.1.7 FBI Crime Detection Bureaus

Handguns may be mailed without regard to 11.1.3 through 11.1.6 if:

a. Addressed to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), or its director, or to the scientific laboratory or crime detection bureau of any agency whose members are federal law enforcement officers or officers of a state, territory, or district authorized to serve warrants of arrest or commitment; or

b. Offered by an authorized agent of the federal government as an official shipment to any qualified addressee in categories 11.1.3a. through 11.1.3g, or to a licensed manufacturer or dealer of firearms or to a federal agency.

11.2 Antique Firearms

Antique firearms sent as curios or museum pieces may be accepted for mailing without regard to 11.1.3 through 11.1.6.

11.3 Rifles and Shotguns

Although unloaded rifles and shotguns not precluded by 11.1.1e and 11.1.2 are mailable, mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618, 18 USC 921, et seq., and the rules and regulations promulgated thereunder, 27 CFR 178, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the gun is unloaded and not precluded by 11.1.1e.

11.4 Legal Opinions on Mailing Firearms

Postmasters are not authorized to give opinions on the legality of any shipment of rifles or shotguns. Contact the nearest office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for further advice. </span>


11.4 Is usually where they just go ahead and shut up and listen to what I have to say
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What Switchblade said.
Better yet, get the online account and use UPS. Free boxes, shipping labels, etc.

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While the online account is smart, marking frajeelee on any container that will be handled by shipping or airline personnel is right up there in the "strong like bull, smart like tractor" category.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: crumpmd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When mailing a firearm you must inform the shipper or post office bimbo. The box cannot be marked as containing a firearm. The post office has to ship it priority mail.
I had the same experience last year. Small town, bright lights, Saturday night, and Lydia is at the counter of the post office. Her small eyes sunk deep in her fat. Dumb as a bag of.....dogshit.
(that way I am in no trouble with the hammer mafia) </div></div>



that was some funny funny ass shit hahaha
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mexican match</div><div class="ubbcode-body">really had my attention until he got to the eyes sunk deep in her fat, after that it went down hill. </div></div>


ya same here i was like yes yes... aahhhhh thats disgusting
 
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A bunch of Happy Enchildas
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I think you are obligated to inform the shipper the contents are a firearm.
I don't believe it's enough to just know it it legal and ship it.

That is either UPS/FedEx/USPS rules, or federal firearm shipping regs, but I just shipped my first rifle on Tuesday night and checked all three and all definitely said you have to tell them its a gun.

I was extra careful because I reside in the Peoples' Republic of Chicago.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Witch Doctor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A bunch of Happy Enchildas
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That was great!
Thanks!
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I kinda' like living here...last time I took a rifle in to the PO, I informed the lady of what it was and she asked what kind and caliber. We had a nice discussion about the relative merits of the caliber of the rifle I was sending versus her rifle's caliber for elk hunting. (I was sending a 338 Win Mag, she had a 375 H&H.) She pointed out the picture she had hanging on the partition of her last kill, a real beauty of a six point bull. A little different than your experience.

Location, location, location...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Noah Mercy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I kinda' like living here...last time I took a rifle in to the PO, I informed the lady of what it was and she asked what kind and caliber. We had a nice discussion about the relative merits of the caliber of the rifle I was sending versus her rifle's caliber for elk hunting. (I was sending a 338 Win Mag, she had a 375 H&H.) She pointed out the picture she had hanging on the partition of her last kill, a real beauty of a six point bull. A little different than your experience.

Location, location, location...

</div></div> I have the same experience here. I give my mail carrier venison for Christmas. Different way of life for sure.
 
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And what ever you do, don't tell the Postal folks it's a "Sniper" rifle. With over 45,000 users on Sniper's Hide, the chances are high that you will get a Hider behind the counter who will lecture you about the difference between "Sniper" and "Tactical" rifles. That's worse than eyes sinking into the fat
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I am not making this up: Wednesday night at a UPS Store one of the employes tried to argue with me about sending out gun parts. I told him as long as it was not an assembled firearm it was good to go and the owner of that store was a friend of our family. He always has given me the go ahead to ship. I was trying to ship a stock out to a guy that had bought it from me here. This guy got more and more aggressive as the conversation went, I wasnt even working with him I was working with a young girl that seemed to be willing to just call the owner and ask him. But captain loud mouth just wanted to keep talking his shit. I told him if he had an issue with my request to ship to run to the back room and grab a chair and Id be gone when it was packed up.

He threatened me with physical harm and I then let him know if he wanted to make threats against me to step out from his register and try to run his mouth less. He laughed and called the owner in which he was told it was fine to ship the parts. I grabbed up my box and said no thanks I will take my business elsewhere. He had to get his last comment in of "well I wont sit here and kiss your ass for your business" thats when I called the owner and he was fired while I stood there, probably had something to do with me having him on the phone the whole time and he got to hear every word of his employees rant.

Justice was served.