Rifle Scopes Problem with S&B MTC Turrets?

[zero_moa]

I may have an issue with an S&B 5-25x56 PMII Limited Edition PSR (677-946-532-B2-A8B20) that I just bought, brand new, but wanted to check with you all before jumping into conclusions.

When running through the elevation am I correct to expect there to be resistance every 10 clicks? I'm not getting that and instead, feel consistent resistance across all clicks.

Did I get unlucky and get a defective one? Or, does this model simply not have MTC?

 

[cageli]

I think you actually got lucky, now you have a scope that has locking turret without annoying MTC, cong!!!

 

[hk dave]

That specific scope should probably have MTC. Every 10th click should be a clunk... or in other words, more resistance at every 10th click.

 

[AIAW]

Yeah, ever whole MIL should be a heavy indent... I know it's not right, but in a way you lucked out I think! That MIL indent is just a tad too sticky which makes dialing .1+ or .2+ above a whole number a tad tricky sometimes. All 5 of mine have gradually gotten less "stiff" over time but it's still very pronounced.

It could just be that the cap didn't get engraved on the whole MIL areas. It's a rather simple way that they accomplish the MTC function internally and should have nothing to do with tracking, etc. I would actually like to have MTC turrets that didn't have the whole MIL heavy detent.

A different train of thought is that perhaps the "Special Edition" doesn't behave the same as a regular production PMII?

 

[diverdon]

Zero if you prefer the MTC CLUNK I'm sure you will be able to find someone to trade. What color is yours, I have a babyshit one where the MTC work as advertised. The problem is you usually miss the click after the clunk.

 

[zero_moa]

Thank you all for the replies. Those of you who indicated that I may have lucked out have a good point. It seems most would rather part with their MTC's if they could.

I got this particular one (the pantone color limited edition PSR) primarily because of the Tremor2 reticle and the Locking Turrets. The MTC was just along for the ride. I can accept that the MTC isn't working, but more concerned about other, more serious issues like if certain pins are oriented the wrong way, will they cut into something else, etc.

I sent an email to Mark Cromwell at S&B. Let's see what he says.

 

[AIAW]

Any update from S&B on your issue?

 

[Lowlight]

The Limited Edition Scope removed the MTC Feature there is no heavy indent

It's just regular clicks that is an Military scope, they requested the MTC removed... My understanding is, there is actually a secret hiding under that Plague on the Bell

It's designed to no have the heavy indents

 

[AIAW]

Oh that's awesome actually! I figured it might have been something like that. That would be a big misstep and an easily noticeable item for QA to miss.

I wonder if that plaque is user-removable to see what is underneath without destroying it?

 

[Lowlight]

I think you'd mess up the finish removing it ... but one might see something close to this

 

[AIAW]

That would be absolutely insane if that "text" was printed underneath there!

 

[lash]

I think you'd mess up the finish removing it ... but one might see something close to this

LMAO! I just had to scan that one to see. Good one! I agree!

 

[zero_moa]

I spoke with Mark at S&B today and, as Lowlight indicated, the Limited Edition was built this way. Although MTC and LT usually go hand in hand, that is not the case for this limited run.

Strangely, most sellers advertise this scope as having MTC, which makes it really confusing. I'm glad we got to the bottom of this. What a pleasant surprise.

 

[AIAW]

I spoke with Mark at S&B today and, as Lowlight indicated, the Limited Edition was built this way. Although MTC and LT usually go hand in hand, that is not the case for this limited run.

Strangely, most sellers advertise this scope as having MTC, which makes it really confusing. I'm glad we got to the bottom of this. What a pleasant surprise.

No doubt, that is indeed a nice "bonus" there... I think a vast majority out there including myself also learned something!

 

[ZiaHunter]

There is a way to bypass the heavy indent on the MTC turret but it requires removing the turret.

 

[AIAW]

This is very true. You can clearly see the insides in this video. Yes, there will be a Dremel involved in this video. It gives a good understanding of what is underneath the caps that are never supposed to be removed on the MTC models.

Essentially, he has made the standard PMII MTC behave like the "Limited Edition" turret.

 

[Holliday]

This is very true. You can clearly see the insides in this video. Yes, there will be a Dremel involved in this video. It gives a good understanding of what is underneath the caps that are never supposed to be removed on the MTC models.

Essentially, he has made the standard PMII MTC behave like the "Limited Edition" turret.

Lol, Jesus, for a mute he sure is a hatchet-master.....Think that voided the warranty?

 

[birddogsx3]

I just unpacked my S&B 5-25x56 with MTC and LT this is a standard model not the Limited Edition. I can not feel the clunk on every 10th. It gets a little heavy at the 13 mil mark for the pop up feature for the second rev but other than that every click feels the same. The windage has a definite 0 stop/clunk are they phasing out the clunk by chance? I will finger it some more but it seems to me to be the same as the LE/PSR that the OP has. No clunk on the whole numbers. Lowlight any input?

 

[Just Macca]

My understanding is that its a $50 special option to have the MTC removed if so desired.

 

[Holliday]

In watching the video again and seeing the finished product, the methodology makes more sense. On first view there's no explanation then the dremel comes out, then bounces off the index lines(which all get covered anyway.) and finally "don't drill these holes", so it a bit of a shock. I watched a few of his vids and subscribed to his channel. Some good stuff. I'm assuming his lack of narration is due to a language barrier.

 

[birddogsx3]

I talked with a S&B tech at their repair shop here in the states. I explained to him my scope a standard 5-25x56 MSR MTC/LT I have no hard stops or "clunks" on the elevation turret. The windage has the correct stop at the zero. He stated that some not all of the LE/PSR scopes had this type of turret like the OP's of this thread. However mine should have them and I could send it in and they would install them. I just wanted to make sure I was going to fuck it up running it like it is the tech stated that there should be no issues. I am going to call one more S&B guy we played phone tag all week and talk to him about it.
So I could see how it would no be difficult to have them removed I just did not ask. I will ask when I get a hold of him. Mine has no other problems tracks as it should glass is awesome! I can say I am not terribly upset that the hard stops are not in there.

 

[ohaley]

I see two different numbers out there:

677-946-532-B2-A8B03 & 677-946-532-B2-A8B20, what is the difference?

 

[birddogsx3]

When I talked to the folks at S&B some of those LE scoped have the MTC clicks and some don't. That may be the difference. Even though it says MTC the elevation does not have it just the windage. That is just a guess on my part.

 

[zero_moa]

I see two different numbers out there:

677-946-532-B2-A8B03 & 677-946-532-B2-A8B20, what is the difference?

My Limited Edition 677-946-532-B2-A8B20 does not have MTC on the elevation. However, it does have an MTC clunk, at zero, on the windage.

 

[ohaley]

Just got off the phone with S&B in Claremont, NH. Per the person I spoke with, the "A8B03" is mislabeled. It should read "A8B20". They were made aware of this a few weeks ago. They are sending me a new scope box with correct label from Germany so it will take a few weeks. As far as the MTC clicks, these limited editions do not have that feature on elevation or windage per phone conversation with rep. It seems though that I do have the MTC or a definite, noticeable clunk at zero on the windage. If you desire MTC the cost is a $100.00. Also curious, did your scope come with butler creek caps or bikini style? If you did not get butler creeks and did get the bikini style they will send the butlers at no cost. They also have Pantone sunshades in stock as well, 80 bucks I think.

 

[Sniperstud]

My Limited Addition does not have MTC on the elevation turret either, just on the windage at "zero." It didn't come with any covers, just a cleaning kit. I would have preferred if the plaque was included in the box, and left up to the end user to install, but it looks nice.

 

[zero_moa]

My Limited Addition does not have MTC on the elevation turret either, just on the windage at "zero." It didn't come with any covers, just a cleaning kit. I would have preferred if the plaque was included in the box, and left up to the end user to install, but it looks nice.

Mine came with neither the Butler Creeks nor cleaning kit.

 

[Sniperstud]

Mine came with neither the Butler Creeks nor cleaning kit.

Its possible that the cleaning kit, which came in a nice zippered soft case, bearing the Schmidt & Bender name, was included as a bonus from Mile High, rather than the factory. It was not inside the scope box, but was included in a larger box, along with the scope and mount.

 

[vh20]

Both of mine from Sport Optics came with the kit and the Butler Creeks. The covers were already on the scope inside the manufacturer's box. The cleaning kit was in the larger shipping box.

 

[Rockne]

My Limited Addition does not have MTC on the elevation turret either, just on the windage at "zero." It didn't come with any covers, just a cleaning kit. I would have preferred if the plaque was included in the box, and left up to the end user to install, but it looks nice.

I just ordered mine, but absolutely agree with you about the plaque. My (mostly uninformed) hypothesis is that they might have been required to cover up the QR Code in a "permanent" way per regulations. That would be consistent/analogous with other "decommissioning" of military property. Who's going to be the first one to take heat gun and see if it'll remove easily?

 

[lash]

I just ordered mine, but absolutely agree with you about the plaque. My (mostly uninformed) hypothesis is that they might have been required to cover up the QR Code in a "permanent" way per regulations. That would be consistent/analogous with other "decommissioning" of military property. Who's going to be the first one to take heat gun and see if it'll remove easily?

It's already been done and there is a thread here on the Hide somewhere with the pictures before and after. Surprise! There's a QR code under there.

Edit: I believe that the owner who removed his did so using fishing line to cut through the mastic.

 

[Guiseppe83]

Zero if you prefer the MTC CLUNK I'm sure you will be able to find someone to trade. What color is yours, I have a babyshit one where the MTC work as advertised. The problem is you usually miss the click after the clunk.

every damn time>>> !!!!! this is a new optic to me. the "clunk" seems to damn near lock mine in place. any one try to "smooth" these up? id imagine there is some way to refine this.