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Night Vision Pulsar XP50 vs Reap-IR

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    Hey guys, I'm buying a thermal soon. I've got it narrowed down to these models. I've used the reap ir already and that seems to be king of the hill.
    I've used the pulsar xq38 and it is impressive. So I can imagine the xp50 will be considerably better than the xq38.
    I know the answer to whether or not the reap ir is worth the extra money is up to me. But can anyone share their experiences and advice?
     
    Not experience but advice. There’s a noticeable difference in native magnification between the two. I’d strongly consider that in relation to your specific hunting location and style.

    I hunt coyotes so I chose the Reap. If I hunted hogs, it would at least been a much harder decision.

    Across multiple forums with users of both, the image and physical toughness of the Reap is king. Pulsar owners however, are less likely to have to send the unit in for glitched software of one sort or another. It’s simply a fact at this point that the Trijicon electronics/software aren’t as reliable. This is coming from a Reap owner so if anything I’d be biased the other way.
     
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    Thx for your advice. I wont be doing any long range shooting with either, so the lower magnification of the xp50 is good. I know the higher mag will help with identifying possible targets at distance.
    I didnt know there were issues with the reap software. I know theres an ongoing post here on the hide about an issue. I guess I need to Google known issues of both products.

    Thanks for the tip!
     
    I have the Reap and have to admit it’s pretty awesome. I started out with the Flir 233 and now can’t hardly use it anymore since I upgraded. I know not an apples to apples comparison.

    As for the Pulsar, I believe our resident expert Wig says they are about 80-90% of the Trijicon. I do think the Pulsar has less base mag so that may be an issue for you if you are hoping to go longer distance or scan further out with more clarity. Pulsar also has a lot of features on board that Reap really doesn’t - longer battery life, on board sound and video, picture in picture, streaming. If these are important to you then I would go pulsar 100%. If you are looking for pure performance then Trijicon.

    Trijicon seem to be falling in price as well. Reap can probably be found for 6k close to new and XP50 for under 4K. New you are going to be paying close to 7k and 4500 probably.

    Good luck.
     
    Thx for your advice. I wont be doing any long range shooting with either, so the lower magnification of the xp50 is good. I know the higher mag will help with identifying possible targets at distance.
    I didnt know there were issues with the reap software. I know theres an ongoing post here on the hide about an issue. I guess I need to Google known issues of both products.

    Thanks for the tip!

    Well documented issues with the Pulsar too before recent firmware update. I don’t think you can base it off a few cases here and there. These units are in all reality electronics and some are just going to fail. Seems both companies are taking care of folks with problems so keep that in mind too. Seems to me that Trijicon is Better though from what i have read.
     
    For me, the most significant difference between the pulsars and the trijicons is the cost ... In the past 4.5 years of owning thermals, I've had 5 Armasights, 4 Pulsars, 5 trijicons, 2 BAE, 2 ATN and 1 NVISSYS.

    If I was buying a thermal rifle scope today and could only have one thermal rifle scope, I would buy a trijicon mk3 35 .. I think that combo of magnification and FOV is the most flexible. And I've heard less stories about issues on the Mks 35mm than I have on the REAPs. The joystick housing that is used by the Patrol, Reap and PatrolXR was designed to be a spotter housing first, a weapon sight housing second. The turret housing of the Mk2/Mk3 was designed to be a weapons sight first.

    That said, I'm willing to pay incrementally more for the BAE OASYS cores found in the Trijicons and the BAE OASYS units. That doesn't mean the image is always better, it does mean that for me, the image is usually better. And 10% to 20% better is an attempt at a quantification of better. And there are times where both trijicons and Pulsar images suck ... high humidity ... high winds ... etc.

    Before the Trail 640s were released, I had them at the top of my short list. But the 1.6x mative magnification was a show stopper for me. I've used one, but never owned one. And they are very nice units! But I still think if someone gave me one, I would sell it and save up for another Patrol :)

    Also, the idea that "best image" is linear, I don't find to be the case in my experience. I let some of my neighbors hold both a pulsar Apex 50A and a Zeus standard 75mm 640 when the pulsars first came out. And 100% choose the pulsar. But actually there were some reasons why and at the time I disagreed. The comparisons were done by first cold starting both units ... no adjustments ... looking at rats on a dirt pile at 30yds. One comment was, "The Pulsar can see the terrain better, but the Armasight sees the rats better" ... But why? My understanding is the FLIR core software was optimized on purpose for high contrast ... to bring out the "critters" better ... The OASYS core software and the Pulsar core software is optimized for a "smoother" lower constrast behavior. All had contrast adjustments by that point. If the contrasts are adjusted the images can be brought closer. Also, upon power up, by default, the pulsars nuc a lot ... the zeus nucs less. That matters. If you nuc both manually 5 times in the first 5 minutes, the image differences are reduced.
    Further, looking at the pulsar and Zeus from 300-500yds (which the neighbors never did) I found the Zeus to be a clear winner.
    So, at short distance, with factory settings on contrast and nuc frequency, the Pulsar can beat the zeus for terrain image. But outside that, not.
    Just an example of "best image" is not linear :)

    For me "better image" means "ability to more quickly PID smaller critters at longer distances". And for me, now with 4.5 years of experience (and I'm out an average of 10hrs per week) on the OASYS cores, FLIRs, Pulsars, etc. I have become an OASYS bigot. And I'm willing to pay incrementally more for a small improvement in "average image" ... (average meaning ... average over all circumstances I face). But, if I absolutely could not make it work financially, I am 5000% sure I could do what I do with a pulsar. So for me, pulsar versus trijicon is mostly a financial decision.

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    As to CS ... I've had a lot of experience with Armsight (for both thermal and NV) ... and almost as much with Trijicon. But I've had zero experience with Pulsar. Have not had any issues requiring repair. The one issue I had ... really bad display in an Apex 75mm ... the dealer just said "send it back" ... and then set me a used Mk2 35mm in exchange ... oh my ... the evil dealer ... that got me going down the IRD path and I've never looked back :D
    Right now I own 1xApex 38mm, 2 BAE, 2 Trijicon, 1 ATN and 1 NiVisSys and they all have their uses ... and they all work fine. But probably 90% of the time, I'm taking the Trijicons and the BAEs out ... the OASYS cores.

    If your budget is under $5k get a pulsar ... if your budget is under $10k get a trijicon ... that's my summary ! :)
    I like the term "bang for the buck" that's where the Pulsars beat the Trijicons.
     
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    I was going to recommend a XQ50, and a hand held like the XQ23V.. having a handheld to scan with is a lot easier, and safer, than constantly sweeping with the rifle mounted one..
     
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