Re: Recoil off bipod
FRANK:
“This mind is where data will come from, these are the minds that bring you this type of data.
That's all I'm saying because I have already addressed the "why" over and over again and he just won't ""admit the rifle is bouncing off the shooter.”""
BEEZAUR:
“Why do people use Pod-Locs, or tighten the nut for that matter?
TO ALLOW THE RIFLE TO BE RETURNED TO THE SAME UPRIGHT POSITION WITH AS LITTLE WORK EXPENDED AS POSSIBLE BETWEEN SHOTS TO MAINTAIN THE “LEVEL” OF THE RIFLE TO OFFSET CANTING.
Why do people prevent their bipods from swiveling during the shot?
TO REDUCE CANTING DURING THE SHOT.
I'm completely serious.
When you lay down in position and level up, nothing moves. There is no strain required to hold the rifle level until the shot. It has no effect on ranging. No effect of dialing elevation or holding wind. No effect on putting the crosshairs on the target. Nothing to do with breathing, trigger control, position, any of that. BULLSHIT.
WHEN YOU lay down in position, the rifle moves when you put your hand on the grip, and it moves in whatever direction you put the pressure.
WHEN YOU put your head down on the stock, the rifle moves away from the pressure.
WHEN YOU breath, the rifle moves up and down with the movement caused by lung expansion.
WHEN YOU manipulate the trigger, the rifle moves in the direction of the pressure.
So why add the lever (or tighten the nut)? Why bother?
TO HOLD THE RIFLE IN POSITION TO REDUCE THE CANTING THAT CAN BE INDUCED BY ANY OF THE ABOVE PRESSURES CAUSED BY THE SHOOTER WHEN PRESENTING THE RIFLE AND APPLYING THE FUNDAMENTALS.
What, exactly, do you do if you want to cause bipod hop?”
FRANK:
“if you want to cause hop, kick yourself off to the side of the rifle at an angle, pull the rifle into the shoulder only and then slap the trigger, it will launch in the opposite direction of your firing hand.”
THAT IS ONE THING YOU CAN DO TO CREATE BIPOD HOP.
THE most common thing to cause bipod hop is to NOT exert sufficient hold on the rifle to control the recoil. You MUST exert sufficient hold on the rifle to control the recoil consistent with fundamentals of marksmanship.
THE MOST COMMON REASON FOR LEFT/RIGHT HOP is the PLACEMENT of the butt in the shoulder pocket.
RIGHT HANDED SHOOTER puts the butt too close to the collar bone, allows the rifle to roll right into the shoulder pocket and hop right.
RIGHT HANDED SHOOTER puts the butt out on the shoulder muscle to the right of the pocket and when fired, the rifle rolls left into the pocket and hops left.
This is reversed for a left handed shooter.
THIS ALSO HAPPENS WHEN A RIFLE IS FIRED NRA STYLE WITH A SLING. IT IS NOT SPECIFIC TO A BIPOD. PHYSICS ARE PHYSICS.
BEEZAUR:
“Does it hit your collar bone or something? What do you mean about the shoulder angle?”
GUBICA answered that in his post very well, and add to that my answer above and you should get the point.
BEEZAUR:
“Well, if no one here cares about my dynamics work, then I guess there really isn't a point to my wasting my time writing it up, is there?”
YOU POSTULATE an opinion based on one person, one rifle, one incident. It is not scientific. It is a postulation.
You run the same experiment 100 times with your 243, your body, your conditions and get the exact same results each time, you have proven a single theorem.
You get different results during the 100 incidents, you have an unproven theorem and are expressing an opinion only.
Since the military and civilian competitions that have been in place for years have proven their postulations and theorems, and have published them, AND instructors have successfully used those now established facts training people, your unproven work, based on your words, a single experiment, goes against the grain.
Those people who use the proven facts in training and have success after success, do not care about your work, since others in the past have proven that your idea as you have expressed it here (rotational influence), ""has about a 1% influence on shooting and is easily overcome by the properly applied grip pressure when firing a rifle.""
Beezaur, no offense intended by my above post, but you aren’t listening to people who know way more than you and all of them know (rotational influence), has about a 1% influence on shooting and is easily overcome by the properly applied grip pressure when firing a rifle.
They also know bipod hop is caused (1) by recoil, and (2) by the lack of properly applied force to control the recoil in conjunction with fundamentals of marksmanship.
You can’t get around that, no matter how much you argue your opinion and your work is incomplete as you have only done it with one rifle, your 243, against your body, and you have not excluded the outside influences of improper placement of the butt in the shoulder pocket and you have not excluded differing placement of your body that gives inconsistent body mass placement behind the rifle to provide a consistent backstop for the recoil.
Again, absolutely no offense intended.
FRANK:
“This mind is where data will come from, these are the minds that bring you this type of data.
That's all I'm saying because I have already addressed the "why" over and over again and he just won't ""admit the rifle is bouncing off the shooter.”""
BEEZAUR:
“Why do people use Pod-Locs, or tighten the nut for that matter?
TO ALLOW THE RIFLE TO BE RETURNED TO THE SAME UPRIGHT POSITION WITH AS LITTLE WORK EXPENDED AS POSSIBLE BETWEEN SHOTS TO MAINTAIN THE “LEVEL” OF THE RIFLE TO OFFSET CANTING.
Why do people prevent their bipods from swiveling during the shot?
TO REDUCE CANTING DURING THE SHOT.
I'm completely serious.
When you lay down in position and level up, nothing moves. There is no strain required to hold the rifle level until the shot. It has no effect on ranging. No effect of dialing elevation or holding wind. No effect on putting the crosshairs on the target. Nothing to do with breathing, trigger control, position, any of that. BULLSHIT.
WHEN YOU lay down in position, the rifle moves when you put your hand on the grip, and it moves in whatever direction you put the pressure.
WHEN YOU put your head down on the stock, the rifle moves away from the pressure.
WHEN YOU breath, the rifle moves up and down with the movement caused by lung expansion.
WHEN YOU manipulate the trigger, the rifle moves in the direction of the pressure.
So why add the lever (or tighten the nut)? Why bother?
TO HOLD THE RIFLE IN POSITION TO REDUCE THE CANTING THAT CAN BE INDUCED BY ANY OF THE ABOVE PRESSURES CAUSED BY THE SHOOTER WHEN PRESENTING THE RIFLE AND APPLYING THE FUNDAMENTALS.
What, exactly, do you do if you want to cause bipod hop?”
FRANK:
“if you want to cause hop, kick yourself off to the side of the rifle at an angle, pull the rifle into the shoulder only and then slap the trigger, it will launch in the opposite direction of your firing hand.”
THAT IS ONE THING YOU CAN DO TO CREATE BIPOD HOP.
THE most common thing to cause bipod hop is to NOT exert sufficient hold on the rifle to control the recoil. You MUST exert sufficient hold on the rifle to control the recoil consistent with fundamentals of marksmanship.
THE MOST COMMON REASON FOR LEFT/RIGHT HOP is the PLACEMENT of the butt in the shoulder pocket.
RIGHT HANDED SHOOTER puts the butt too close to the collar bone, allows the rifle to roll right into the shoulder pocket and hop right.
RIGHT HANDED SHOOTER puts the butt out on the shoulder muscle to the right of the pocket and when fired, the rifle rolls left into the pocket and hops left.
This is reversed for a left handed shooter.
THIS ALSO HAPPENS WHEN A RIFLE IS FIRED NRA STYLE WITH A SLING. IT IS NOT SPECIFIC TO A BIPOD. PHYSICS ARE PHYSICS.
BEEZAUR:
“Does it hit your collar bone or something? What do you mean about the shoulder angle?”
GUBICA answered that in his post very well, and add to that my answer above and you should get the point.
BEEZAUR:
“Well, if no one here cares about my dynamics work, then I guess there really isn't a point to my wasting my time writing it up, is there?”
YOU POSTULATE an opinion based on one person, one rifle, one incident. It is not scientific. It is a postulation.
You run the same experiment 100 times with your 243, your body, your conditions and get the exact same results each time, you have proven a single theorem.
You get different results during the 100 incidents, you have an unproven theorem and are expressing an opinion only.
Since the military and civilian competitions that have been in place for years have proven their postulations and theorems, and have published them, AND instructors have successfully used those now established facts training people, your unproven work, based on your words, a single experiment, goes against the grain.
Those people who use the proven facts in training and have success after success, do not care about your work, since others in the past have proven that your idea as you have expressed it here (rotational influence), ""has about a 1% influence on shooting and is easily overcome by the properly applied grip pressure when firing a rifle.""
Beezaur, no offense intended by my above post, but you aren’t listening to people who know way more than you and all of them know (rotational influence), has about a 1% influence on shooting and is easily overcome by the properly applied grip pressure when firing a rifle.
They also know bipod hop is caused (1) by recoil, and (2) by the lack of properly applied force to control the recoil in conjunction with fundamentals of marksmanship.
You can’t get around that, no matter how much you argue your opinion and your work is incomplete as you have only done it with one rifle, your 243, against your body, and you have not excluded the outside influences of improper placement of the butt in the shoulder pocket and you have not excluded differing placement of your body that gives inconsistent body mass placement behind the rifle to provide a consistent backstop for the recoil.
Again, absolutely no offense intended.
