Reduced quality 22LR ammo - most match brands

GuideDog · 2025-10-16T12:06:32-0400

Hi-NV Shooter said:
Ah I think you are the one mixed up, maybe another cup of coffee. I was replying to CSAfisher he wanted an example

Lee

Good laugh, I'm laughing too since I didn't catch that. It's good to have a bit of humor. Point still is ya need a baseline, data with no tuner.

Csafisher · 2025-10-16T12:18:51-0400

Hi-NV Shooter said:
Not taking anything personal, as far as yapping I provided an example of what was done with one rifle using a tuner. what have you provided? but reference to other's tests/videos.
as you say your opinion-a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. my example is not of an opinion but based off fact and actual knowledge!

Lee

Well that post was for oldrifleman so I guess you need another cup of coffee as well lol.

Anyway I guess your test is factual and mine (and others) aren’t. I guess based on your ego…

GuideDog · 2025-10-16T12:21:49-0400

Hi-NV Shooter said:
He's a college professor. I bet he will get a kick out of that. So will everyone else.
I don't care how much education one has if they do not understand the concept of what a barrel tuner does at best they can get their rifle to shoot good. why don't you also ask them why they think they need a tuner I bet they will tell you because everyone else uses one.
the blind leading the blind doesn't mean they know which way to go!

This shooter is probably the most well-known Anschutz RFBR shooter his name is Joe Besche ask that professor guy if he knows who Joe is

Lee

If I happened to reply to the wrong person I would think people can figure out who the reply is for.

Why would I ask that? It has no bearing on why HE is using a tuner? I have asked him if he thought they work. His answer was "not really".
I don't know Joe Besche. Never shot with him so why do you expect anyone to know this person? Just because we wins matches? I'm sure if he does he's a great shooter!

I shoot for the FUN of competition. Many of us do. I'm not a pro, and may never be. I learn from those around me, by going to a few local matches and asking questions. Just about everyone is helpful. Some even go out of their way. Not here, thay go out of the way to criticize.

This forum is kinda the opposite, lot's of nothing but chest beating. He said, she said. No data to backup anything but "cuz I win".
Yep, I said that too. I win without a tuner. I'm not bragging about how great tuners are.

Step back, have fun, life is too short. It is a shame that some resort to name calling here.
Here we go.... is it going to be a back and forth forever?

GuideDog · 2025-10-16T12:56:47-0400

I will sum up this thread by summarizing.

Anything you can do
I can do better

Annie Get you gun

Hmmm, should be get your Annie. LMAO

Yep, like the song. Now admit it. That WAS funny...

oldrifleman · 2025-10-16T13:03:43-0400

Csafisher said:
Well that post was for oldrifleman so I guess you need another cup of coffee as well lol.

Anyway I guess your test is factual and mine (and others) aren’t. I guess based on your ego…

I think yours is the biggest ego, but you recognize your results as facts just as the rest of us have our facts and live by them. Proof is what drives your decisions. Feel free to leave your muzzle free from any sort of tuner, in fact I welcome it. would I beat you in a match, most certainly not I am too Old, To physically busted up, but pretty sure some of the young bucks around here could. The world may never know.

Csafisher · 2025-10-16T13:15:51-0400

oldrifleman said:
I think yours is the biggest ego, but you recognize your results as facts just as the rest of us have our facts and live by them. Proof is what drives your decisions. Feel free to leave your muzzle free from any sort of tuner, in fact I welcome it. would I beat you in a match, most certainly not I am too Old, To physically busted up, but pretty sure some of the young bucks around here could. The world may never know.

Lol talk about ego! I base my opinion on my tests which seem to be much more in depth than what you guys are doing and that of other tests. You don’t like that because of the small sample tests you’ve done, busted logic about winning matches, and dogma. And now you are over here talking about beating me in a match because you disagree with my opinion…. ROTFL. Ego….. You don’t have to be a good shooter to understand tuners, statistics, and physics….

EDIT I would have to problem saying tuners work for some setups if someone did a legitimate test…. That’s more than I can say about you because we already have that available…

oldrifleman · 2025-10-16T13:23:52-0400

Csafisher said:
Lol talk about ego! I base my opinion on my tests which seem to be much more in depth than what you guys are doing and that of other tests. You don’t like that because of the small sample tests you’ve done, busted logic about winning matches, and dogma. And now you are over here talking about beating me in a match because you disagree with my opinion…. ROTFL. Ego….. You don’t have to be a good shooter to understand tuners, statistics, and physics….

I am a Mechanical engineer with a background in Fluids. As far as proof goes I have seen your evidence, several times in depth over the years, and I have seen the pro-tuner evidence, also several times in depth. Neither side would come even close to passing a peer review. Do I have an EGO, probably, but I listen. I also recognize that we are NEVER going to see eye to eye on this. As I tried to say, enjoy, tuner or not, putting rounds downrange is where it's at.

GuideDog · 2025-10-16T13:56:56-0400

Confirmation bias: Some large-sample-size tests have failed to show a statistically significant improvement from tuners, suggesting that some perceived benefits may be due to confirmation bias.
There ya go.