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ROE V WADE ……….

Interesting observation and one in which as a Christian I struggle with at times & that is the religious vs moral dilemma.

With abortion you may view it as immoral but I view it as a religious/faith based issue. We both can be in agreement that it’s wrong but for divergent view points. Both parties agree it’s bad but for different reasons.

In many cases people can be on the same side of an issue for varying reasons but then the government (or Satan) comes along & stirs it all up causing division.
there are situations where abortion or infanticide is practiced for the survival of an entire group when under food pressure.
because such situations exist in nature (even more so in the past), i cannot assign any divine judgement (even if i were religious).
under conditions where there is no such food pressure, it is simply irresponsible behavior, and thus a moral failure (and a sin if you are inclined).
 
Real world it won’t do anything anyways minus make a sketchy thing more sketchy, like the “war” on drugs, abortion has been a semi accepted part of society, since the dawn of written history.

And no, outside of crazies isn’t never been celebrated, go find 99% of chicks who had one and go randomly bring it up at a party, they’ll probably slap the shit out of you, never talk to you again, and you’ll probably get kicked the fuck out of the party, it has always been a shit decision for a shit situation. And most women, even leftists, wouldn’t be down to have a abortion late term. It’s the young and inexperience over opinionated types who spread that rumor and are mouth about late term shit.

While I agree with some of this....

Show me where in American history it was a semi accepted part of society? Until very recent times....?

Other cultures, other times in history etc, ok...but thats not relevant here and scotus agrees.
 
Song lyrics that seem to work for this occasion:::::::

I forbid you Entrance here, you step on
hallowed Ground
Don't you see this Chapel?
Shut up! Hold your Tongue, they must rest in Silence!!!
It's the Rebirth of the Unborn.
Tonight is the Night.
The Spirits of the Unborn will play tonight. (Ohh-ow-ohh) The Unborn will play tonight

They will dance around the Chapel
It's a Feast for the Dead.
They will Make a Fool of the Priest.
And the Dead Boy's Choir will sing
….A Song for the Dead to whom Life has just begun. Life of the Unborn
This One's for the Unborn!!

Did you know? 13 Days have come and gone Since we had the First of June
The Spirits of the Unborn will play tonight
Forgive them, they didn't die

Have a Merciful Fate!! Do the unborn stay in hell or move on???

 

It's quite enjoyable to see the other side lose their shit for at least one day. She's on the warpath and her world is turning upside down , she needs to get back in the teepee and get her lips on the peace pipe. This might be a good thing to boil their blood and watch them stroke out and earn that toe tag, I hear its get stuffy in those cadaver storage bags.
 
The court has a bit of a problem.
1. Ignore the burning down of everything by the left wing and make the ruling as printed.
2. Change the ruling like Roberts did with Kenyan care and burn down the SCOTUS. If they do an about face now it will show that they are also illigit.

Rumor I heard today was it was leaked by Kahan's office. Whether her personally or a radical on her staff? Something tells me that the FauxBI with all the resources to find everyone that went into the capital on Jan 6 will not be able to find out who did this. 9 judges and their staff. Total of 200? more or less people. And it'll be like a an episode of Hogan's heroes. I know nothing!!
 
It should have never been up the Supreme Court to decide on this case anyway, and no one has a constituional right to an abortion, despite all the pearl clutching it'll be business as usual in a few weeks -- off to the next bullshit thing to be mad about.

Fact is, pretty much all of the usual suspect States already have protections in place, and most States are like that: mirroring Federal law just to show they did something at some point in time depending on the politics-of-the-era. So Roe V Wade decision being overturned is what is supposed to happen, having the States extending protections and allocating funds for abortion clinics and birth control and sexual education is what is supposed to happen.

As a Christian, as bad of one as I am, I know abortion is a sin plain and simple. At risk of being cast into a lake of steaming shit and being par-boiled for all of eternity I am a pragmatist and know a majority of the people going for abortions shouldn't fucking have kids. Would I rather they wrap it up, get their tubes tied, or the guys who are fucking them know better? Fuck yeah. Killing humans no matter how embryonic sucks as. That said, expecting idiots to be logical and practice safe sex is an exercise in futility.

So I guess it is the lesser of a bunch of evils; children raised by the State are a burden, kids raised out of wedlock are usually more likely to be burdensome for various reasons: alcoholism, creating their own shitty offspring, living off of social welfare programs, and all sorts of shit.

This is just one piece of a huge complex system of corruption, self-anointed victimhood, sensationalism and badly implemented "light socialism" going back almost 150 years in this Country. In the past, like in Ancient Rome, social welfare programs did exist and abortions more than often killed the mother too but no one lived long enough for it to be a problem per capita. Now? Well we're healthier and have less things trying to kill us - so abortion is it I guess?

Fuck, I don't know what that makes me, but it is what it is...
 
The point is being a Christian doesn’t necessarily make a good person. That is my angle. People’s reactions to that are interesting to me. Especially people who deny it, hitler being Christian.

Others Touting religion around like it automatically makes them a cut above... lol.

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Saying you’re a “Christian” and being a follower of Christ are two different things. The Bible is unambiguous on this. Why do you think the media started calling actual Christians “evangelicals”? It’s not about lineage or attending Sunday School, it’s always been about faith.

This whole discussion should not be about faith. It IS about good and evil though. Just as masks are bullshit junk-science so is the idea an abortion is like cutting your fingernails and you are not murdering a baby. This is simply a fact. You are. There are two human beings involved. That the left has convinced stupid women that murdering their children is a “right” is insanity and 100% evil.
 
I don't know why conservatives get so riled up over this. I mean, I get the moral/religious stance but it's essentially someone else's life.

I chose not to associate with people who view abortion with impunity. I pity the child but Darwinism at fucking play isn't it?

As for having to "accept" their decision, it doesn't matter if it is legal or even state sanctioned. If someone killed an unborn baby for convenience, I'd make them feel bad for it.

Not on my conscience since I don't vote for anyone that is for or ambiguous on abortion, and I'm not in any way condoning it. Their body, their kin, they can fuck them both. Just don't make me pay for it or give them a pat on the back.

Cherry on top if they made abortion illegal and those degenerate baby murderers die of sepsis in a dumpster behind a butcher shop trying to get an abortion from a vet school dropout Edward Scissorhands wannabe.
 
Real world it won’t do anything anyways minus make a sketchy thing more sketchy, like the “war” on drugs, abortion has been a semi accepted part of society, since the dawn of written history.
I don't see a problem with making it more sketchy. It's murder. It should be sketchy.

And no, outside of crazies its never been celebrated, go find 99% of chicks who had one and go randomly bring it up at a party, they’ll probably slap the shit out of you, never talk to you again, and you’ll probably get kicked the fuck out of the party.
The crazies are becoming more abundant. I'm a young man and I have was in university for a long time. I have been around the woke bunch and I can tell you that your observation is outdated.

I had peers that had abortions and spoke about it as a negative event in their life and sought affirmation. I was weak at the time and I joined in the pity but I am fully awake now. This person didn't feel sorrow for a life that never was but was unhappy about the attached stigma.
 
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Stop paying women to raise bastard kids in fatherless homes and the rates will decrease.
If I put an ad in the local paper saying I'll pay $1,000/month for someone to mow my yard, my phone would blow up with people wanting the job.
Likewise, when government advertises it will pay people for making poor life choices, people will volunteer.
Instead of killing a baby to avoid the consequences of randomly sleeping around, women could avail themselves of the numerous methods of birth control that doesn't include murder.
Better still, they could get counseling for their daddy issues instead of slinging coochie like a t-shirt launcher at a ball game in a sad attempt to get the male attention they missed as a child.
I used to believe this. Then I left the US for a few third world countries. No social welfare system - orphaned street kids everywhere that will steal you blind. Some will put a knife in you if given the chance. I no longer believe that not giving them money will stop them from having children.

I have said it on other abortion threads here in the Pit - abortion is pure evil no two ways about it. But if we get rid of it the fall of the Republic will happen in only a very few generations due to the massive increase of the non-producers mixed with massive increases in welfare programs. Abortion is keeping us viable as a country longer, and the fact that something so evil is what allows us to do so is a telling indication of how far we have fallen as a society.

I can’t support abortion but I can’t support getting rid of it if I look at through the lens of keeping the US viable.
 
I used to believe this. Then I left the US for a few third world countries. No social welfare system - orphaned street kids everywhere that will steal you blind. Some will put a knife in you if given the chance. I no longer believe that not giving them money will stop them from having children.

I have said it on other abortion threads here in the Pit - abortion is pure evil no two ways about it. But if we get rid of it the fall of the Republic will happen in only a very few generations due to the massive increase of the non-producers mixed with massive increases in welfare programs. Abortion is keeping us viable as a country longer, and the fact that something so evil is what allows us to do so is a telling indication of how far we have fallen as a society.

I can’t support abortion but I can’t support getting rid of it if I look at through the lens of keeping the US viable.

Kids in third world countries are orphaned from disease, crime, and deplorable working conditions.
Before LBJs great society nonsense, we didn't have such a massive rate of illegitimate kids.

Reward the behaviour you want, punish what you don't. In psychology it's called operant conditioning, old farmers call it the carrot and the stick. It looks like government does the exact opposite of that until you realize dems want a permanent underclass whose only job is voting every two years.
 
Saying you’re a “Christian” and being a follower of Christ are two different things. The Bible is unambiguous on this. Why do you think the media started calling actual Christians “evangelicals”? It’s not about lineage or attending Sunday School, it’s always been about faith.

This whole discussion should not be about faith. It IS about good and evil though. Just as masks are bullshit junk-science so is the idea an abortion is like cutting your fingernails and you are not murdering a baby. This is simply a fact. You are. There are two human beings involved. That the left has convinced stupid women that murdering their children is a “right” is insanity and 100% evil.
It is a hard to separate faith from moral fortitude as they influence each other. Governance and religion play similar roles and have throughout history so it’s understandable that they are often discussed in parallel. Though the practitioners of these faiths need to also realize how polarizing these beliefs can be, taking into account that no faith on this planet is a majority, all of them are minority. One should consider that, as it is polarizing.

As to abortion, I personally feel it should be a state issue, not a federal one. Allowing different people/areas to decide what is right for them as not everyone holds the same beliefs. IMO this is the best solution. If anti abortion, Live in a state where abortion is illegal, create laws where traveling to have an abortion in a liberal shit hole is murder. If liberal want to kill there own... win win.
 
Our current state abortion laws are a lot like the tax laws. They vary state-by-state. Those who don't want the restrictions of high taxes, are free to move to a state with less taxation restriction. Those who are largely worthless, and unable to feed themselves, will gravitate to high-taxation nanny-states (or cities).

Those women who find abortion laws too restrictive, are free to move to "whore-friendly states". Those who want to live in a state where the people there have a stronger moral stance, are free to move to states which recognize that "actions have consequences".

I suspect the gene pool will continue to dumb down in states which don't expect people to link "cause and effect".
 
I don't know why conservatives get so riled up over this. I mean, I get the moral/religious stance but it's essentially someone else's life.

I chose not to associate with people who view abortion with impunity. I pity the child but Darwinism at fucking play isn't it?

As for having to "accept" their decision, it doesn't matter if it is legal or even state sanctioned. If someone killed an unborn baby for convenience, I'd make them feel bad for it.

Not on my conscience since I don't vote for anyone that is for or ambiguous on abortion, and I'm not in any way condoning it. Their body, their kin, they can fuck them both. Just don't make me pay for it or give them a pat on the back.

Cherry on top if they made abortion illegal and those degenerate baby murderers die of sepsis in a dumpster behind a butcher shop trying to get an abortion from a vet school dropout Edward Scissorhands wannabe.
Dehumanizing human beings so that it's ok to murder them is pretty much at the core of every leftist endeavor. Abortion is simply THE most overt one there is. If you can say that a particular human life has no value based on totaly arbitrary opinion and divorced from any facts or reality, then you have established the fact that some human life has no value, and that it is up to certain people, the people, whomever to determine who does and doesn't have value. Now collectivism, dictatorship, statism, whatever you deem more important than individuals is no longer even a debate. Only some people have value, and other human beings can be murdered like clipping your fingernails. As far as abortion goes completely divorcing this non-valued state from all the science is essential. Science places human life at differentiation, period. It is the bright and unambiguous line, that instant point of when life becomes it's own unique human being. That the left would howl and scream at this fact is elementary. If all human life is of inestimable value and unique in all the world then murdering him/her is a monstrous crime compounded by the victim being the only truly innocent in all of existence.

Establishing that every human life has value, is worthy of and capable of unlimited love, and must be protected is at the very core of both American Liberalism and Christianity. It is the central truth on which a nation of laws (not men) is built.

Yea, it's pretty fucking important and central in the debate of whether collectivism, the state (or pick your poison) is more important than the individual and individual rights. Admitting that abortion is NOT a right, and is actually antithetical to the entire Declaration of Independence and Constitution is a nuclear blast in the heart of leftist thought. They cannot countance the prospect of all human life having value or their entire endeavor logically collapses.



Protecting and valuing human life as sacred is at the very center, the very core of Liberalism. There are no rights without it. There is no liberty without it. If you do not put the individual at the center of all your political calculations you are putting something else there. Collectivism, The State, a leader, whatever.
 
Dehumanizing human beings so that it's ok to murder them is pretty much at the core of every leftist endeavor. Abortion is simply THE most overt one there is. If you can say that a particular human life has no value based on totaly arbitrary opinion and divorced from any facts or reality, then you have established the fact that some human life has no value, and that it is up to certain people, the people, whomever to determine who does and doesn't have value. Now collectivism, dictatorship, statism, whatever you deem more important than individuals is no longer even a debate. Only some people have value, and other human beings can be murdered like clipping your fingernails. As far as abortion goes completely divorcing this non-valued state from all the science is essential. Science places human life at differentiation, period. It is the bright and unambiguous line, that instant point of when life becomes it's own unique human being. That the left would howl and scream at this fact is elementary. If all human life is of inestimable value and unique in all the world then murdering him/her is a monstrous crime compounded by the victim being the only truly innocent in all of existence.

Establishing that every human life has value, is worthy of and capable of unlimited love, and must be protected is at the very core of both American Liberalism and Christianity. It is the central truth on which a nation of laws (not men) is built.

Yea, it's pretty fucking important and central in the debate of whether collectivism, the state (or pick your poison) is more important than the individual and individual rights. Admitting that abortion is NOT a right, and is actually antithetical to the entire Declaration of Independence and Constitution is a nuclear blast in the heart of leftist thought. They cannot countance the prospect of all human life having value or their entire endeavor logically collapses.



Protecting and valuing human life as sacred is at the very center, the very core of Liberalism. There are no rights without it. There is no liberty without it. If you do not put the individual at the center of all your political calculations you are putting something else there. Collectivism, The State, a leader, whatever.
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The demoncrats are in for an ass whipping this fall.
This leak was nothing more than an attempt to rile the base and get them out to vote against the evil republicans. Purely political theater.
This was also an early draft from February, it has likely changed several times without the interference.
 
At least he learned from his mistakes


Quote from the article

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla., Feb. 7—Ronald Reagan conceded today that the liberalized abortion bill he signed as Governor of California led to “abortion on demand” in many of that state's hospitals. He told a news conference here that he would not make the same “mistake” today.

Special to The New York Times

The Californian has taken a solid position against liberalized abortion law in campaigning for the Republican nomination for President, and said he would support a constitutional amendment overthrowing the United States Supreme Court's ruling liberalizing the basis for abortion.

His position, repeated in nearly every stop in New Hampshire, where “Right to Life” groups have made abortion a major campaign issue, is that he opposes abortion in all circumstances except when a mother's life is imperiled by her pregnancy.

In 1967, in his first year as 1Governor, he signed a bill that went beyond this position, allowing abortions when there was a threat to both the physical and mental health of the patient, and if the pregnancy was the product of rape or incest.
 
What implications will this have on the next 2A decision due in June? Are we seeing the so called Conservative Justices that they were elected to be start to follow the Constitution as written?
 
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As a new father this really bothers me. I have a 19 month old daughter and a second on the way. I always steered clear of aboriton arguments because at the end of the day I got a very nice sized above average penis and I shouldn’t dictate woman’s bodies. The fact that if something unspeakable happens to one of my daughters and they are forced to accept it infuriates me. I’m not supporting Becky on her 6th kid and decides fuck it I don’t want it because I was to god damn lazy to use a condom. This shit literally infuriates me. I needed this thread to vent I did not read all the replies, I talked to my wife about this and I’m not happy. This is fucking bullshit. Anyone that supports all abortions being illegal is a fucking cuck ass loser bitch. I’ll say it to your face, I’ll fight you over it I don’t fucking care. Sorry for the rant I just can’t understand how some dude/chick richer than me thinks if my daughter was to get raped and became pregnant she should absolutely have that baby. Fuck you, fuck your family, fuck everything about you.
We I got from that….
1) I have a 19 month old sex trophy
2) my penis is massive
3) my wife said I could say this
4) my opinion is right and yours is wrong
5) I’m willing to get my ass kicked to prove it

bravo sir bravo………..
 
As a new father this really bothers me. I have a 19 month old daughter and a second on the way. I always steered clear of aboriton arguments because at the end of the day I got a very nice sized above average penis and I shouldn’t dictate woman’s bodies. The fact that if something unspeakable happens to one of my daughters and they are forced to accept it infuriates me. I’m not supporting Becky on her 6th kid and decides fuck it I don’t want it because I was to god damn lazy to use a condom. This shit literally infuriates me. I needed this thread to vent I did not read all the replies, I talked to my wife about this and I’m not happy. This is fucking bullshit. Anyone that supports all abortions being illegal is a fucking cuck ass loser bitch. I’ll say it to your face, I’ll fight you over it I don’t fucking care. Sorry for the rant I just can’t understand how some dude/chick richer than me thinks if my daughter was to get raped and became pregnant she should absolutely have that baby. Fuck you, fuck your family, fuck everything about you.

Derp

You obviously didn't think this through.

1. This doesn't ban abortions
2. This only declares that abortions are not an enumerated Right under the Constitution (because it isn't)
3. Many states will still allow abortions
4. I find it cute that you believe your wife when she tells you that you are above average, that's just sweet (I suspect you have a delicate ego?)

Anyways, relax Francis and I know I just made the list:rolleyes:
 
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Dehumanizing human beings so that it's ok to murder them is pretty much at the core of every leftist endeavor. Abortion is simply THE most overt one there is. If you can say that a particular human life has no value based on totaly arbitrary opinion and divorced from any facts or reality, then you have established the fact that some human life has no value, and that it is up to certain people, the people, whomever to determine who does and doesn't have value. Now collectivism, dictatorship, statism, whatever you deem more important than individuals is no longer even a debate. Only some people have value, and other human beings can be murdered like clipping your fingernails. As far as abortion goes completely divorcing this non-valued state from all the science is essential. Science places human life at differentiation, period. It is the bright and unambiguous line, that instant point of when life becomes it's own unique human being. That the left would howl and scream at this fact is elementary. If all human life is of inestimable value and unique in all the world then murdering him/her is a monstrous crime compounded by the victim being the only truly innocent in all of existence.

Establishing that every human life has value, is worthy of and capable of unlimited love, and must be protected is at the very core of both American Liberalism and Christianity. It is the central truth on which a nation of laws (not men) is built.

Yea, it's pretty fucking important and central in the debate of whether collectivism, the state (or pick your poison) is more important than the individual and individual rights. Admitting that abortion is NOT a right, and is actually antithetical to the entire Declaration of Independence and Constitution is a nuclear blast in the heart of leftist thought. They cannot countance the prospect of all human life having value or their entire endeavor logically collapses.



Protecting and valuing human life as sacred is at the very center, the very core of Liberalism. There are no rights without it. There is no liberty without it. If you do not put the individual at the center of all your political calculations you are putting something else there. Collectivism, The State, a leader, whatever.
Very articulate and well written. Thought I was reading a Matt Walsh article. 👍🏻
 
As a new father this really bothers me. I have a 19 month old daughter and a second on the way. I always steered clear of aboriton arguments because at the end of the day I got a very nice sized above average penis and I shouldn’t dictate woman’s bodies. The fact that if something unspeakable happens to one of my daughters and they are forced to accept it infuriates me. I’m not supporting Becky on her 6th kid and decides fuck it I don’t want it because I was to god damn lazy to use a condom. This shit literally infuriates me. I needed this thread to vent I did not read all the replies, I talked to my wife about this and I’m not happy. This is fucking bullshit. Anyone that supports all abortions being illegal is a fucking cuck ass loser bitch. I’ll say it to your face, I’ll fight you over it I don’t fucking care. Sorry for the rant I just can’t understand how some dude/chick richer than me thinks if my daughter was to get raped and became pregnant she should absolutely have that baby. Fuck you, fuck your family, fuck everything about you.

Do you approve of punishing offspring based on the unlawful actions of their father?
 
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As a new father this really bothers me. I have a 19 month old daughter and a second on the way. I always steered clear of aboriton arguments because at the end of the day I got a very nice sized above average penis and I shouldn’t dictate woman’s bodies. The fact that if something unspeakable happens to one of my daughters and they are forced to accept it infuriates me. I’m not supporting Becky on her 6th kid and decides fuck it I don’t want it because I was to god damn lazy to use a condom. This shit literally infuriates me. I needed this thread to vent I did not read all the replies, I talked to my wife about this and I’m not happy. This is fucking bullshit. Anyone that supports all abortions being illegal is a fucking cuck ass loser bitch. I’ll say it to your face, I’ll fight you over it I don’t fucking care. Sorry for the rant I just can’t understand how some dude/chick richer than me thinks if my daughter was to get raped and became pregnant she should absolutely have that baby. Fuck you, fuck your family, fuck everything about you.
I’ll talk about your daughter’s hypothetical situation, which represents .0001% of cases, if you’ll recognize that 99.9999% of all abortions are murder for the sake of convenience and the result of consensual sex. Will you denounce those abortions that result from consensual sex as murder, and vote to abolish them?
 
As a new father this really bothers me. I have a 19 month old daughter and a second on the way. I always steered clear of aboriton arguments because at the end of the day I got a very nice sized above average penis and I shouldn’t dictate woman’s bodies. The fact that if something unspeakable happens to one of my daughters and they are forced to accept it infuriates me. I’m not supporting Becky on her 6th kid and decides fuck it I don’t want it because I was to god damn lazy to use a condom. This shit literally infuriates me. I needed this thread to vent I did not read all the replies, I talked to my wife about this and I’m not happy. This is fucking bullshit. Anyone that supports all abortions being illegal is a fucking cuck ass loser bitch. I’ll say it to your face, I’ll fight you over it I don’t fucking care. Sorry for the rant I just can’t understand how some dude/chick richer than me thinks if my daughter was to get raped and became pregnant she should absolutely have that baby. Fuck you, fuck your family, fuck everything about you.

I'm sure past democrats said anyone who isn't a slave owner shouldn't have an opinion on the matter.
 
There are more restrictions on freedom of speech and the right to bear arms which are both enumerated rights recognized in the bill of rights than there are on the "right" to an abortion (which I don't consider a right, I consider it the killing of an unborn life) but I don't know how anyone could claim in good faith that "the right to an abortion" is at the very most an "unenumerated right" in the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment, in part, incorporates the bill of rights and most other enumerated rights in the Constitution to the states and the 10th Amendment sets out that rights not enumerated in the COTUS are for the States to decide and govern themselves.

I don't know how anyone could, in good faith, claim that the "right to an abortion" was enumerated in the BOR or the COTUS.
Thats because to them the BOR and the COTUS are just guidelines.
 
I don't know why conservatives get so riled up over this. I mean, I get the moral/religious stance but it's essentially someone else's life.
Besides the more grounds of killing women who did nothing (yet) to you, conservatives get riled up because of the libs non-stop talk about "For the Children" excuses while, with tongue in cheek 60 million humans have been murdered in this country by abortion. "For the children"has been used as a battle cry and an excuse to take away the second amendment, to destroy fossil fuels and jump headlong into "green" energy we don't even have yet, to follow all the covid rules, and for Pelosi to run again.

Their breakdowns over abortion laws going to the state legislatures, which is all negating Roe vs. Wade will do, is pure hypocrisy in light of all policy and bureaucracy they want to justify "For the children".
 
Roe Vs Wade was based on Hate. A woman who happened to be pregnant while married, refused to have the child and give it to her husband. She hated him so bad, she wanted to kill her baby, rather than let him have it. She didn't want it, but damn if she'd let him have it. That was the basis of the case. He said, essentially: "Don't kill the child, I'll take it and raise it myself." She refused and the case somehow became an argument that the husband has no say, absolutley no say in the life of the unborn child, that is his. The decision making it not "a woman's right to choose" but "The man is disenfranchised, and has NO rights" became twisted to what we have now, wholesale murder of thousands of innocent children, and a lack of sexual responsibility on the part of women.
Second issue: before RoeVs Wade, the only thing not available, and paid for by the US Government, was abortion by convenience, in some states. People simply traveled to other states that did allow it. However, the left and Abortion on demand supporters will hold up, Rape, Incest, Deformed or unviable fetus and maternal threat, as what is at risk. All that, and I mean ALL of that was always available in the US. That will NOT go away.

Third issue: The abortion industry is deeply corrupt. Margerate Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, and it's patron Saint, hated blacks. Her vitriolic statements are no secret. She hated them, and devised a method for systematically exterminating them. Black politicians will talk about systematic oppression, where it doesn't exist and completely ignore the numbers of blacks being aborted, way out of proportion to their population, when compared to Hispanics, and other minorities and Whites. The entire system is used to simply exterminate an entire segment of the world population, AND to have the tax-payer pay for it. Plus Planned Parenthood, makes BIG bank on selling fetal components. The film-makers who documented that, were prosecuted by Guess Who?Not the Abortion clinic that was breaking the law, the film-makers who revealed it.
Repeal of Roe VsWade, simply returns the issue to the States, where it belongs. The US Government had and has NO business regulating or paying for abortions, especially when it has been proven to be a genocidal program. (look a the numbers before you bitch about that statement).
Interesting to note that upon passing of this decision (if it passes in the current form) California, is poised to enact (need only the Governor signature) a law allowing interpretation of what "perinatal" means, and can allow infanticide up to one year after parturition to be defined as "abortion" .
Also note that upon the original decision of Roe Vs Wade, unlegislated regulation allowing 12 and 13 year old girls access to birth control without parental notification, Abortion counseling without parent oversight, Homosexual and transsexual and cross dressing propaganda, was introduced into schools, not to mentions sex education seeing an increase in what looks like grooming, and now even "trans closets".
All of that was hinged to the crack in the dam of RoeVs Wade. We are at war, our children are the targets, and Planned Parenthood is one of the main mechanisms of Genocide.
By the way, in 1973, I was in my earliest days (after the Army, I got out in 1969) of medicine. So I was inside the system, saw what was available, and what changes came across the board over the following decades. It's a fucking mess. Medicine in general has really gone down the tubes. And abortion for convenience is not health care.
 
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Dehumanizing human beings so that it's ok to murder them is pretty much at the core of every leftist endeavor. Abortion is simply THE most overt one there is. If you can say that a particular human life has no value based on totaly arbitrary opinion and divorced from any facts or reality, then you have established the fact that some human life has no value, and that it is up to certain people, the people, whomever to determine who does and doesn't have value. Now collectivism, dictatorship, statism, whatever you deem more important than individuals is no longer even a debate. Only some people have value, and other human beings can be murdered like clipping your fingernails. As far as abortion goes completely divorcing this non-valued state from all the science is essential. Science places human life at differentiation, period. It is the bright and unambiguous line, that instant point of when life becomes it's own unique human being. That the left would howl and scream at this fact is elementary. If all human life is of inestimable value and unique in all the world then murdering him/her is a monstrous crime compounded by the victim being the only truly innocent in all of existence.

Establishing that every human life has value, is worthy of and capable of unlimited love, and must be protected is at the very core of both American Liberalism and Christianity. It is the central truth on which a nation of laws (not men) is built.

Yea, it's pretty fucking important and central in the debate of whether collectivism, the state (or pick your poison) is more important than the individual and individual rights. Admitting that abortion is NOT a right, and is actually antithetical to the entire Declaration of Independence and Constitution is a nuclear blast in the heart of leftist thought. They cannot countance the prospect of all human life having value or their entire endeavor logically collapses.



Protecting and valuing human life as sacred is at the very center, the very core of Liberalism. There are no rights without it. There is no liberty without it. If you do not put the individual at the center of all your political calculations you are putting something else there. Collectivism, The State, a leader, whatever.
No disagreement whatsoever.

I'm just not as invested in what lefties want to do with themselves and their family.

I am already politically, culturally and philosophically opposed to abortions. All my actions are consistent with the above statement. It is however, limited to people who are mutually voluntarily associated with me.

My views would be different if we were discussing coercion into abortion.

(After reading more on the implications of this case, I'm excited to see states being returned the rights to govern locally. As above, I would live in and support states in line with my core beliefs. I don't care enough to try and save Sodom and Gomorrah.)
 
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What implications will this have on the next 2A decision due in June? Are we seeing the so called Conservative Justices that they were elected to be start to follow the Constitution as written?
We need to worry about this, if not June, the next ruling. Yes, they are after the guns. This is a high priority of the DOJ/DHS. More than ever, and they will try a multi-faceted attack to accomplish this. That decision due in June was already supposedly argued and decided, just like the Roe vs. Wade revisitation. Would I be surprised if they change it? Clearly no, since they already hinted this decision isn't final and well - there was that Roberts/ACA thing. On 2A - Biden will go after those AR-14 (joke), AR-15s, high capacity magazine first, but then watch the DOJ go after 2A rights of anyone with even the slightest difference in political position. You will be either be a labeled a terrorist or declared mentally ill (both as a means to get your guns removed) if you are against the Disinformation Governance Board, believe in free speech, voter integrity, oppose grooming of your children by strangers, oppose the invasion at the Southern border, like cheap gas, do not personally want to be jabbed etc. If they fail to achieve it federally because of our Constitution, they will use UN or WHO laws/declarations to get it done. They avoid the whole state vs. fed. control using the latter too.

We know the courts (esp. SCOTUS) didn't really take on Nov. 3 issues because of fear of "rowdy"/inflammatory responses, including personal doxxing, from the left. The libs, communists/fascists, Soros & WEF-funded NGO's, know that the courts are afraid of "violent" repercussions and "social unrest". But they have no fear of conservatives, except those pesky little firearms, because they are good little boys and girls who follow the rules and haven't demonstrated any propensity to fight back to date. Even when rights are destroyed following a peaceful protest and being encouraged to cross thresholds by Capitol Police, the lack of "meaningful" response by the conservatives and presence of two-sided justice system tells them there isn't anything they can't do, or at least try, at this point.

Biden wasn't kidding when he said the last election was a fight for the soul of the country. That soul is on the fastback to hell now with no redemption is sight.
 
Roe Vs Wade was based on Hate. A woman who happened to be pregnant while married, refused to have the child and give it to her husband. She hated him so bad, she wanted to kill her baby, rather than let him have it. She didn't want it, but damn if she'd let him have it. That was the basis of the case. He said, essentially: "Don't kill the child, I'll take it and raise it myself." She refused and the case somehow became an argument that the husband has no say, absolutley no say in the life of the unborn child, that is his. The decision making it not "a woman's right to choose" but "The man is disenfranchised, and has NO rights" became twisted to what we have now, wholesale murder of thousands of innocent children, and a lack of sexual responsibility on the part of women.
Second issue: before RoeVs Wade, the only thing not available, and paid for by the US Government, was abortion by convenience, in some states. People simply traveled to other states that did allow it. However, the left and Abortion on demand supporters will hold up, Rape, Incest, Deformed or unviable fetus and maternal threat, as what is at risk. All that, and I mean ALL of that was always available in the US. That will NOT go away.

Third issue: The abortion industry is deeply corrupt. Margerate Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, and it's patron Saint, hated blacks. Her vitriolic statements are no secret. She hated them, and devised a method for systematically exterminating them. Black politicians will talk about systematic oppression, where it doesn't exist and completely ignore the numbers of blacks being aborted, way out of proportion to their population, when compared to Hispanics, and other minorities and Whites. The entire system is used to simply exterminate an entire segment of the world population, AND to have the tax-payer pay for it. Plus Planned Parenthood, makes BIG bank on selling fetal components. The film-makers who documented that, were prosecuted by Guess Who?Not the Abortion clinic that was breaking the law, the film-makers who revealed it.
Repeal of Roe VsWade, simply returns the issue to the States, where it belongs. The US Government had and has NO business regulating or paying for abortions, especially when it has been proven to be a genocidal program. (look a the numbers before you bitch about that statement).
Interesting to note that upon passing of this decision (if it passes in the current form) California, is poised to enact (need only the Governor signature) a law allowing interpretation of what "perinatal" means, and can allow infanticide up to one year after parturition to be defined as "abortion" .
Also note that upon the original decision of Roe Vs Wade, unlegislated regulation allowing 12 and 13 year old girls access to birth control without parental notification, Abortion counseling without parent oversight, Homosexual and transsexual and cross dressing propaganda, was introduced into schools, not to mentions sex education seeing an increase in what looks like grooming, and now even "trans closets".
All of that was hinged to the crack in the dam of RoeVs Wade. We are at war, our children are the targets, and Planned Parenthood is one of the main mechanisms of Genocide.
By the way, in 1973, I was in my earliest days (after the Army) of medicine. So I was inside the system, saw what was available, and what changes came across the board over the following decades. It's a fucking mess. Medicine in general has really gone down the tubes. And abortion for convenience is not health care.
planned parenthood is just the democrat money laundering scheme for campaign financing.
planned parenthood obviously doesn't need our taxes with the millions they contribute exclusively to abortion proponents.
democrats ensure tax funding for planned parenthood, and it turn, planned parenthood pays to get them elected.
 
Besides the more grounds of killing women who did nothing (yet) to you, conservatives get riled up because of the libs non-stop talk about "For the Children" excuses while, with tongue in cheek 60 million humans have been murdered in this country by abortion. "For the children"has been used as a battle cry and an excuse to take away the second amendment, to destroy fossil fuels and jump headlong into "green" energy we don't even have yet, to follow all the covid rules, and for Pelosi to run again.

Their breakdowns over abortion laws going to the state legislatures, which is all negating Roe vs. Wade will do, is pure hypocrisy in light of all policy and bureaucracy they want to justify "For the children".
We all know their modus operandi. This isn't their only hypocrisy either.

Their core value isn't "family" or "rights" as we perceive it. Their battle is for us to be "wrong".

We are not debating them so our fervour on the individual subjects are inconsequential. At the end of the day, we are "wrong" because that's what they want us to be.

They'll keep seeking abortions and I believe they are hoping for a reaction from us. That's their call to arms for their brethren who is only interested in high roading the rest of us.

I do hope that states will be returned the rights to govern. That provides a geopolitical divide to leave the lefties to their filth. That, I believe, is the only way. Apathy.
 
Supreme Court chief justice directs marshal to investigate leak, calls out 'egregious breach of ... trust'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/su...tice-marshal-investigate-leak-breach-of-trust

I bet it’s one of the liberal justices clerks or secretaries. The court is clear that this isn’t a final decision on the matter and just a circulated opinion that is common when making decisions.
From the article:

"Justices circulate draft opinions internally as a routine and essential part of the Court’s confidential deliberative work. Although the document described in yesterday’s reports is authentic, it does not represent a decision by the Court or the final position of any member on the issues in the case," the court said

This is purely political hit job to try and influence the court and is destructive to the way our courts and democracy works.
It's all theater for the mentally ill. Keep the unwashed masses hating something else besides the ones making their lives miserable.
 
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planned parenthood is just the democrat money laundering scheme for campaign financing.
planned parenthood obviously doesn't need our taxes with the millions they contribute exclusively to abortion proponents.
democrats ensure tax funding for planned parenthood, and it turn, planned parenthood pays to get them elected.
I call it the baby abattoir. Grinds down babies and distills them into pure voting power.
 
I hope you never have to watch what actually happens. My description is still sprinkles and fairy floss covered by comparison.
that's why they want to allow them at birth or even after...they'd have a lot more baby parts to sell.