Re: sas accuracy
Stacey,
You know very well I never asked for a new muzzle brake as a "free lender". I asked Tim to contact me and said I would pay for the new brake via "check, paypal, visa, whatever".
Here are the emails:
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From: Matthew Miner
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:05:13 +0000
To: Stacey Blankenship<
[email protected]>; Tim SAS<
[email protected]>
Subject: RE: SAS Suppressor Problem
Stacey, I understand you proofed the suppressor. However, you did not proof it with my .308 muzzle brake.
While you and Tim may "agree" that the muzzle brake is not the issue, I am not fully convinced.
All I asked was that you send me (sell me) a new muzzle brake, so I could troubleshoot the issue.
Tim wrote (see below): "I have a batch of muzzle breaks getting parked today and would be happy to send one out to Matt. the cost would of course be $75.00+$5.00 for shipping. If it turns out to be the break he can return the original for a refund."
Yet you wrote (see below): "We are not going to send another brake and condone further shooting and damage to a known problem. We have discussed this and made you aware of our position."
Looks to me like the two of you can't decide what you want to do.
I ask that both of you go back and slowly read the emails that I sent to you. I was never once contentious. I never tried to assign you any blame. I offered to fully pay for the replacement muzzle brake and any repairs to the suppressor if it was concluded that the barrel threading is the culprit.
I even went so far as to say "If it is the muzzle brake, and I decide to have the suppressor repaired, Tim and I can work something out."
Well, I think I will cut my losses here. I'm not about to send Tim my rifle and suppressor. He won't even answer his phone or reply directly to my emails.
It's a shame.
Subject: Re: SAS Suppressor Problem
To: Matthew Miner;
[email protected] From:
[email protected] Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 03:52:10 +0000
Matt,
Tim replied and I forwarded the recommendations. If you decide to continue on this course that will be your choice. I proofed the suppressor and no issues. We both agree the muzzle brake is not the issue and fully believe the threading to be the issue. Whether you shoot the can at 25yds or 100yds will not prove or provide any further evidence to where the issue is at. We are not going to send another brake and condone further shooting and damage to a known problem. We have discussed this and made you aware of our position. If you decide to send the rifle in for inspection let me know. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: Matthew Miner
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 00:34:07 +0000
To: Tim SAS<
[email protected]>; Stacey Blankenship<
[email protected]>
Subject: FW: SAS Suppressor Problem
Tim, did my email below reach you? Please reply or call me as I would like to resolve this issue.
Stacey, I've included you on this email because I'm not sure I have the correct email address for Tim, as he has never contacted me directly.
Thanks guys,
Matt
From: Matthew Miner
To:
[email protected] Subject: SAS Suppressor Problem
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:41:33 +0000
Tim,
Thanks for your help. Why don't we try a new muzzle brake first. I will only shoot one shot at 25 yards (this way I won't induce any more damage). I should know immediately if it's the barrel or the brake.
If it's the barrel, then I'll have my gunsmith re-thread it, and I'll send you the suppressor for repair. On my nickel of course.
If it's the brake, then you and I can talk about repairs.
Please send the new brake to the address below.
Matthew Miner
XXXX XXXXXX
XXXXXXXXX, XX XXXXX
XXX-XXX-XXXX (work, best time 6am to 3pm)
XXX-XXX-XXXX (cell)
XXX-XXX-XXXX (home)
Let me know how you would like to be paid for the new brake (check, paypal, visa, whatever.)
I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Thanks,
Matt
Stacey,
I would be happy to trace the problem for Matt. Since this was a suppressor that was sold through you I know that it has been proofed and tested to be up
to your performance standards. I also know you keep documented proof of mentioned testing. I am inclined to believe the culprit to be the barrel threading.
Anyone can have a bad day so regardless of how well know the smith is that did the job, an error on their part is impossible to rule out. This also includes me
so it is possible that there could be a problem with the suppressor or muzzle break. Had this suppressor not been tested by you prior to shipping I would be
less confident that it is the barrel.
I have a batch of muzzle breaks getting parked today and would be happy to send one out to Matt. the cost would of course be $75.00+$5.00 for shipping.
If it turns out to be the break he can return the original for a refund. As an alternative I would be happy to have Matt send his rifle, suppressor and mounts
to me to inspect and correct. If it turns out to be the fault of Suppressed Armament there would be no charge. If its the barrel normal charges will apply.
As a side note, continued use of the suppressor knowing there is a problem could damage the can so much that it can not be repaired without incurring another
$200 tax from atf and undergoing the form 4 transfer again.
Tim Humston
SAS-LL
From: Matthew Miner
Sent: Fri 9/25/09 11:33 PM
To:
[email protected];
[email protected] Hi Stacey and Tim,
As I tried to express in my first email (although perhaps it was not very well written), I too suspect that the barrel threading is the culprit.
However, I was hoping that one of you could send me a new .308 muzzle brake, because that will be the easiest way for me to troubleshoot the issue.
Of course I will return either the original or the replacement.
The suppressor is damaged a bit, but it still works great with my .223, so I'm happy.
At this point, I'm not trying to assign any blame, I just want to figure out why I'm getting baffle strikes with my .308.
If it turns out that the muzzle brake is the culprit, Tim and I can work something out if I decide to have the suppressor repaired.
If it turns out the barrel is the culprit, I'll return the muzzle brake, and any repairs will be my responsibility.
So, will one of you please send me a new .308 muzzle brake??
Regards,
Matthew Miner
XXXX XXXXXX
XXXXXXXXX, XX XXXXX
XXX-XXX-XXXX (work, best time 6am to 3pm)
XXX-XXX-XXXX (cell)
XXX-XXX-XXXX (home)
On a side note,
Tim,
My mother lives in Evansville, and the wife, kids and I were down there over Labor Day weekend.
We got broad-sided at the corner of Mill Road and First Avenue by an old lady who ran a red light. Thank goodness no one was seriously hurt.
Can't say the same about the wife's Denali, it's still at Kenny Kent's being repaired (although they say it should be done early next week). Be careful down there!!
Have a good weekend guys.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:24:03 -0400
Subject: Re: SAS Suppressor Problem
From:
[email protected] To: Matthew Miner;
[email protected] Hello Matt,
I tried to call you today but ended up leaving a message. If you will recall, we discussed the barrel threading issue. If you decide to go with a local gunsmith that would be your decision. With the information you have provided, it sounds to me that it is in the barrel for sure, not the muzzle brake. If one man did the job that narrows down the issue but I will discuss with Tim to see what if anything can be offered. If the can is damaged, it will not be covered under warranty if found the barrel is the cause. If it is one of the other devices from SAS it will be covered, fixed and returned at no cost. Please provide me with current contact information and I will be glad to discuss with you when available.
Stacey Blankenship
Accuracy International of North America
Office: (252) 771-5112
Email:
[email protected] www.accuracyinternational.com On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Matthew Miner wrote:
Stacey,
I finally got my Form 4 approved and I took possession of my SAS 7.62 suppressor last Friday.
Unfortunately I have a problem.
I am getting baffle strikes with my R700 in .308.
I suspect that it is not the suppressor at issue because everything functions flawlessly with the suppressor attached to my R700 in .223.
It certainly is possible that the threading for the muzzle brake is the culprit, but both my .308 and .223 we're threaded by the same, well respected gunsmith.
I tried to call SAS directly, but no one answers the phone number on their website.
What I would like is to have a replacement .308 muzzle brake sent to me, that way I can determine if it is the brake or the threading job that is the culprit.
Can you help with this, or can you tell me how to contact Tim at SAS?
Regards,
Matt Miner
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Perhaps you should re-read the emails to see who attempted to be honest and fair.