Shooter in Odessa, TX. Reports 5 dead, 20 wounded

[QuickNDirty]

What you talking bout Willis?

The CIA tried mind control to create the perfect assassin

Next Friday, Matt Damon returns for a fourth outing in the film “Jason Bourne,” as the superspy continues to investigate his fuzzy past and piece together all the terrible things he’s done. Bourne’…

nypost.com

 

[QuickNDirty]

For real, they even made a movie about it:

 

[SilentStalkr]

The CIA tried mind control to create the perfect assassin

Next Friday, Matt Damon returns for a fourth outing in the film “Jason Bourne,” as the superspy continues to investigate his fuzzy past and piece together all the terrible things he’s done. Bourne’…

nypost.com

Going all MK Ultra on me now huh? What if I told you they don’t even have to hypnotize you in person anymore? What if I told you they could project sounds into your head from hundreds of yards away?? And could make it relentless? Would you believe me?

 

[The King]

That number is so low these days because of the FBI Crime Lab scandal - they already killed all the innocent folks they lied about in the 1970s, 80s, and the 90s.

FBI Lab Work Under Serious Scrutiny

Bullet Expert Indicted, DNA Technician Resigns, Methods Challenged

www.cbsnews.com

Pro-tip...for example...10% of people have sufficient skills to forge a signature accurately enough to fool an expert. With only 1 hour of practice.

Similarly, barrels made on a hammer forging machine output bullets that are almost identical forensically.

If you had asked the FBI in 1980 if this bullet had come from this exact gun they would have said “hell yes”. Even though they knew the answer was wrong.

Shit, the ATF testifies that the NFA register is 100% accurate...even though it may be the most inaccurate set of record the government holds. They do this in court all year long and they know it’s a lie.

Do I believe in the death penalty? YES. Do I trust the people in positions of power in our country to administer it fairly? HOLY FUCK NO!

National Academy of Sciences Reports Four Percent of Death Row Inmates are Innocent - Innocence Project

www.innocenceproject.org

I overestimated. Conservatively it’s 1 in 25.

Too many. I don’t trust the government that much.

 

[QuickNDirty]

Going all MK Ultra on me now huh? What if I told you they don’t even have to hypnotize you in person anymore? What if I told you they could project sounds into your head from hundreds of yards away?? And could make it relentless? Would you believe me?

No need for all the questions. If you've got something to say, say it.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Recently some of our diplomats found themselves the target of something or other that from a distance made their heads and their ears pound with noise and caused brain damage. Publically it was never said which of our enemies was behind it, but there are 2 likely foreign powers.

 

[SilentStalkr]

No need for all the questions. If you've got something to say, say it.

I think you get the idea. The tech is around, been around. In fact, they want to use similar stuff to advertise to you in the future. Imagine having no way of turning ads off, ever. Wouldn’t that suck.

 

[missed]

Unless they have metal detectors and pat downs, well deep concealed stays deep concealed.

That's why it's called concealed.... I don't carry a ruler to see if it's a legal sign anyway, just assume it's a non compliant sign which means there is no sign.

 

[QuickNDirty]

I think you get the idea. The tech is around, been around. In fact, they want to use similar stuff to advertise to you in the future. Imagine having no way of turning ads off, ever. Wouldn’t that suck.

Yep. It'd really suck for the advertisers.

 

[W54/XM-388]

That's why it's called concealed.... I don't carry a ruler to see if it's a legal sign anyway, just assume it's a non compliant sign which means there is no sign.

Also now that it's September 1st, H.B. No. 121 gives you a fair bit of protection just as long as you promptly and quietly leave if somebody notices and makes an issue.

 

[Snuby642]

Thats right It did go into effect today.
I forgot.

Will have to reread it.

Thanks for the reminder.

 

[PolarisBreach]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-gunman-was-fired-from-job-hours-before-shooting-rampage-report

Fired from his job hours before. Sounds like he was on his way back to shoot up the place, cop lit it him up on the way, and he just said fuck it.

I'm willing to bet he's been medicated most of his life, too, and/or he's the type that's been shielded from failure his whole life because everyone deserves a participation trophy, and thus he's never had to deal with failure.

 

[SilentStalkr]

So, as I figured, it was using, guess what? An AR-15 style rifle they claim. They also claim he failed a background check and obtained this thing via some other means. Convenient. If they said with a handgun I’d believe some parts of the story but...as most of these, things get weird.

 

[Skunk]

What is getting weird? That it was an AR or that he obtained through private sale?

 

[Crang]

Looks like he was a registered Dem and a double minority. No wonder the story went quiet.

Attention Required!

 

[Snuby642]

So shit head gets fired, tells authorities he is gonna shoot up work.

Why was a sniper fest not set up there, and wait on him to show?

Resulting traffic stop normally should have worked but went south quickly.

Sad for all.

Timing for our governor could not been any worse.

 

[Skunk]

He never told anyone he was gonna shoot up anything.

 

[Mr.Kirk]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-gunman-was-fired-from-job-hours-before-shooting-rampage-report

Fired from his job hours before. Sounds like he was on his way back to shoot up the place, cop lit it him up on the way, and he just said fuck it.

I'm willing to bet he's been medicated most of his life, too, and/or he's the type that's been shielded from failure his whole life because everyone deserves a participation trophy, and thus he's never had to deal with failure.

He was a truck driver

 

[Snuby642]

@Skunk
Post and link no longer here, just looked.

From what I gathered pd and fbi was on the way before shooting started.

Will look external for link.

 

[Snuby642]

Link to story gone.

Did not make it up.

 

[Snuby642]

Think I found it.

Texas Gunman Who Killed 7 Had Been Fired Just Hours Before Shootings

Victims of the shooting rampage in West Texas include a truck driver who moved to the area because he thought it was safer and a 15-year-old girl who was shot while walking out of a car dealership.

www.npr.org

 

[Skunk]

I know you're not trying to make stuff up. Didn't mean to imply that.

That article says, "he did not make a threat during the phone call" to the FBI complaint center, which is correct.

The shooting of the Trooper was what kicked things off in Midland/Odessa.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I know you're not trying to make stuff up. Didn't mean to imply that.

That article says, "he did not make a threat during the phone call" to the FBI complaint center, which is correct.

The shooting of the Trooper was what kicked things off in Midland/Odessa.

He must have got the AR while trooper was walking up cause otherwise I don’t see how the trooper didn’t get the drop in him. Wielding an AR inside a car isn’t the easiest thing unless it was a pistol and even then it wouldn’t be quick.

 

[j-huskey]

He must have got the AR while trooper was walking up cause otherwise I don’t see how the trooper didn’t get the drop in him. Wielding an AR inside a car isn’t the easiest thing unless it was a pistol and even then it wouldn’t be quick.

Wielding an ar in a car, doesnt have to be fast.
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast, adding that the trooper was in traffic citation mode, not felony stop.
Shooter was a plan in motion, and shot first. Trooper was behind the curve and playing catch up.
Caught by surprise in the open, bullets through shooters back window at him,
Thought 1. Traffic citation, maybe a verbal warning.
Thought 2. Oh shit !!!! WTF is....

Shooter only needs 3-5 seconds once committed to the plan.
Trooper cant respond fast enough in 3-5 seconds.

Man with gun in hand in motion intent to fire.
Trooper with holstered gun.
I dont remember any historical event where a holstered gun was ever brought into play faster than the "gun in hand"

Several incidents of both with gun in hand, the person who starts first with absolute intent the majority of the time beats the gun in hand reactor.

Speed and violence of action with planned intent easily overcomes reactors.

Too easy.

 

[Snuby642]

I have been told there is no such thing as a routine traffic stop by le.

I hold both hands up or out the window till they tell me to put them down.
I make sure the car video can see it.

They allready know I'm armed comes accross thier screen when they run the plate.

I guess most may not expect an ar ready to rock.

The guys on patroll probably a bit frazzled theze days.

What in hell had produced this level of shit heads all of a sudden?

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Texas gunman had been ruled 'mentally unfit' to buy firearms, used loophole on background check: report

The gunman who killed 7 and injured at least 22 others in a West Texas shooting rampage Labor Day weekend before he was shot and killed by police was federally banned from owning or buying firearms after a court previously ruled he was mentally unfit to do so, authorities said.

www.foxnews.com

And this is how they will implement universal background checks... by calling legal transfers of private property a loophole. Then requiring all sales to occur at a gun shop. Then to track it, requiring registration of all weapons. Then... they have their list.

Democrat wet dreams!

Loophole... close the loophole! It’s not a loophole in the law. It is a constitutionally guaranteed right to buy and sell privately owned property.

But the loophole chant has begun.

Sirhr

 

[Skunk]

Sunny,
The sensationalism and martyrdom fostered by the media....

If they had pics of how this turd the other day ended up, most of these people wouldn't go down this road.

 

[Longshot231]

Sunny,
The sensationalism and martyrdom fostered by the media....

If they had pics of how this turd the other day ended up, most of these people wouldn't go down this road.

That's why they use to print photos of dead bad guys in the news papers:

 

[rybern]

It sounds like Ator's vehicle was "in motion" when he shot through his back window at the officer. Ator's actions had to be obvious if the officer was paying attention. But the shooters windows could have been tinted or the officer could have been looking at his computer, etc.

 

[j-huskey]

It sounds like Ator's vehicle was "in motion" when he shot through his back window at the officer. Ator's actions had to be obvious if the officer was paying attention. But the shooters windows could have been tinted or the officer could have been looking at his computer, etc.

Or, the officer saw it coming and couldnt react fast enough to matter. Too simple.
There will be gunfight times the other party is faster AND better than you...
And then that old saying "it's not the size of the dog in the fight that matters, it's the size of the fight in the dog" comes into play and may determine who lives to go home...

People who have had an "oh shit adrenaline dump" that made them wet their pants or crap them, who survived the "oh shit" have repeatedly reiterated they just couldn't move fast enough to beat the other guy. That happens a lot.....

If you are aware of 'that phenomena' and train for it, you still may not beat the curve. Very few train that hard or that deep, very few are 1%'ers.

Compare that to the officers who knew what they were dealing with who with speed and violence of action who went intending, rammed Ator, and shot first while Ator was stunned from the ram... even though ator was ramped up and ready.

 

[rybern]

Or, the officer saw it coming and couldnt react fast enough to matter. Too simple.
There will be gunfight times the other party is faster AND better than you...
And then that old saying "it's not the size of the dog in the fight that matters, it's the size of the fight in the dog" comes into play and may determine who lives to go home...

People who have had an "oh shit adrenaline dump" that made them wet their pants or crap them, who survived the "oh shit" have repeatedly reiterated they just couldn't move fast enough to beat the other guy. That happens a lot.....

If you are aware of 'that phenomena' and train for it, you still may not beat the curve. Very few train that hard or that deep, very few are 1%'ers.

Compare that to the officers who knew what they were dealing with who with speed and violence of action who went intending, rammed Ator, and shot first while Ator was stunned from the ram... even though ator was ramped up and ready.

Good points.

As you might know, it takes a bit to turn an AR around from the front seat of a car and fire it through the back glass of the car.... especially if he is right eye dominant/right handed(very doubtful that he practiced weak shouldering).

 

[j-huskey]

Good points.

As you might know, it takes a bit to turn an AR around from the front seat of a car and fire it through the back glass of the car.... especially if he is right eye dominant/right handed(very doubtful that he practiced weak shouldering).

All that true.
until you factor in crazy, amped up, and doesnt give a shit,
and normal thoughts and reactions are out the door,
its gangster point and shoot, spray and pray, get a hit, ok, miss, keep shooting until the gun runs dry....
it's part of why so many hood shootings hit houses and people asleep inside them.

Its sucks to get shot by an amped up fool firing point, spray, and spray. Happens somewhere daily. Very most likely the case here.

I have seen people assume the shooter would do what the assumer would do, and get shot. Never put your values on the other person's actions, it will get you hurt.

vr

 

[MtnCreek]

Bastards shot Kris Kristofferson.

 

[rybern]

All that true.
until you factor in crazy, amped up, and doesnt give a shit,
and normal thoughts and reactions are out the door,
its gangster point and shoot, spray and pray, get a hit, ok, miss, keep shooting until the gun runs dry....
it's part of why so many hood shootings hit houses and people asleep inside them.

Its sucks to get shot by an amped up fool firing point, spray, and spray. Happens somewhere daily. Very most likely the case here.

I have seen people assume the shooter would do what the assumer would do, and get shot. Never put your values on the other person's actions, it will get you hurt.

vr

A lot of truth to a lot of that too. At 47 years old, I'm still learning to not expect a person to think or act like I(or my wife) thinks/acts. It's really foolish to think otherwise, but that's a whole other topic.

 

[Snuby642]

God bless Texas.
Our governor did not cave to bullshit!

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[QuickNDirty]

God bless Texas.
Our governor did not cave to bullshit!

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Reading through the orders themselves sounds like the infrastructure to support ERPOs is the main goal. Am I missing something?

 

[RyanScott]

Yeah, you’re missing the attempt to reduce mass shootings without having ERPOs.

 

[QuickNDirty]

Yeah, you’re missing the attempt to reduce mass shootings without having ERPOs.

OK....


1.) Guidelines from DPS to help weed out bullshit "red flags"
2.) Guidelines from DPS on when to act on a "red flag"
3.) TCLE training on how to execute "red flags" based on guidelines from 1 and 2
4.) DPS educating the people on how to call in "red flags"
5.) DPS working with students and faculty to educate them on how to call in "red flags"
6.) Work with feds, psychs, doctors, teachers, etc to create threat assessment teams
7.) DPS, and Governor's office will fund more people for monitoring social media and forums
8.) Not entirely sure what the goal of this one is... Report at least 90% of convictions within 7 days? For SAR actions, or what? NICS? I can see forcing counties to report convictions for DV, felonies, and whatnot within seven 7 days being pretty useful.

All but 8 are geared toward ERPOs, and 8 is the only one that might have a cunt hair's chance in hell of actually reducing mass shootings. I mean the odds are fucking terrible, but there's a chance.

 

[RyanScott]

A significant percentage of the people targeted by red flags can be jailed or committed based on existing law.

 

[QuickNDirty]

A significant percentage of the people targeted by red flags can be jailed or committed based on existing law.

I get why you might say that, but so far they're not going too well. NY just started and they've already had some attempts to red flag someone rejected because the claims were bullshit.

Then you've got this dude....

Florida Man Lost His 2A Rights, Thanks To Red Flag Laws And Mistaken Identity

Epic fail.

townhall.com

Not saying you're right or wrong about the situation in TX, but you certainly haven't convinced me to quit bugging everyone I can about rejecting ERPO legislation in TX.


That is, to say, I disagree with your claims that "a significant percentage" of people targeted by ERPOs had it coming.

 

[RyanScott]

I didn’t say they had it coming. I said a significant percentage could be arrested or committed based on existing laws.

 

[QuickNDirty]

a significant percentage could be arrested or committed based on existing laws.

That's what I meant by "they had it coming"... What are you considering a significant percentage, and are you just guessing?

 

[RyanScott]

That's what I meant by "they had it coming"... What are you considering a significant percentage, and are you just guessing?

No, not that they had it coming. That we don’t need red flag laws we need to enforce civil commitment opportunities for crazies and criminal penalties for people who threaten unlawful violence.