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    Well this was buried in Sig releases today. Uses the same engine and laser from the Kilo 10k with AB Elite on board. Only down side I see is the Bluetooth remote.



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    Something interesting, looks like it can be pair with Sig new Bravo6T-BDX line of scope that has a built in display. This would allow you to range and hold over without coming off scope.
     
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    I found some more information. There will be 950nm and 1550nm versions of the WARP, with both versions available to the general public. No price point 1550nm version, probably around $ 10K. 950nm will be Bluetooth remote only, and 1550nm will have a provision for a wired remote. It also includes a built-in level. Full environmental onboard. Q4 release.

    The Bravo6T-BDX scope is "Assembled in the US". When paired with one of their RF, the display will show the distance and adjustment. If you already have dope dialed in, then the display will show the difference as well. When paired with WARP, you can find, range, and engage without leaving the scope. When not paired, it still has AB Elite built in and can store up to four profiles. The display will show yardage of dialed dope with wind.
     
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    drwood96 said:
    I found some more information. There will be 950nm and 1550nm versions of the WARP, with both versions available to the general public. No price point 1550nm version, probably around $ 10K. 950nm will be Bluetooth remote only, and 1550nm will have a provision for a wired remote. It also includes a built-in level. Full environmental onboard. Q4 release.

    The Bravo6T-BDX scope is "Assembled in the US". When paired with one of their RF, the display will show the distance and adjustment. If you already have dope dialed in, then the display will show the difference as well. When paired with WARP, you can find, range, and engage without leaving the scope. When not paired, it still has AB Elite built in and can store up to four profiles. The display will show yardage of dialed dope with wind.
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    In looking at the scope, looks like just a HUD and no way to disturb the reticle? I guess this keeps glass quality high but kinda a bummer since clip ons can provide an actual aiming point (I'd rather have that in the optic anyway)
     
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    Conqueror said:
    I want one of these companies to build an ultrasonic wind meter right into the top of the device. The only reason you still need a Kestrel is wind, otherwise all the environmental sensors and AB software are inside.
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    Wind at shooter is irrelevant. You don’t need or want that if you’re serious about shooting long range
     
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    Conqueror said:
    Wind at shooter is just as relevant as wind at any other point along the bullet’s trajectory. Until they perfect laser wind-reading technology at distance, I’ll take a local kestrel reading as a useful piece of data.
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    Not to derail but Its not. Mathematically it impacts trajectory significantly less than wind down the trajectory path.

    Learn to read mirage and you’ll shoot better if you believe wind at shooter is relevant
     
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    I’m already aware of mirage and I use it as well. I’m not saying wind at shooter impacts bullet deflection as much as it does at target, I also understand the physics of flight and what happens as a bullet slows down. But I’m tired of dudes pretending like precise wind measurement is useless. There are times when you don’t get good mirage. There are times when precipitation or other factors can make it hard to judge exact wind direction. There are times when the mirage you see at distance might be partially counteracted by wind closer to you. There’s no good current technology that will give you a wind reading 700yds away just yet. Having a wind meter at your location doesn’t just make you a magically perfect shooter, obviously. It’s just one more piece of data you can take into account when judging your holds. If I see half-value mirage to the left at distance and also have a Kestrel reading of 12mph in the opposite direction at my spot, I may choose to back off my mirage hold a bit. Again, it’s just data.
     
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    Conqueror said:
    I’m already aware of mirage and I use it as well. I’m not saying wind at shooter impacts bullet deflection as much as it does at target, I also understand the physics of flight and what happens as a bullet slows down. But I’m tired of dudes pretending like precise wind measurement is useless. There are times when you don’t get good mirage. There are times when precipitation or other factors can make it hard to judge exact wind direction. There’s no good current technology that will give you a wind reading 700yds away just yet. Having a wind meter at your location doesn’t just make you a magically perfect shooter, obviously. It’s just one more piece of data you can take into account when judging your holds.
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    Never seen a kestrel on an f class or benchrest firing line. What do those guys know about precision and reading wind…..
     
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    Conqueror said:
    I want one of these companies to build an ultrasonic wind meter right into the top of the device. The only reason you still need a Kestrel is wind, otherwise all the environmental sensors and AB software are inside.
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    or one of these :)

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    Maurygold said:
    Never seen a kestrel on an f class or benchrest firing line. What do those guys know about precision and reading wind…..
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    lmfao this is an image from the world benchrest championship a few years ago:

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    Sure you don’t need a kestrel when you get to put a weathervane every 15 feet between you and the target. 😂😂
     
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    Conqueror said:
    lmfao this is an image from the world benchrest championship a few years ago:

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    Sure you don’t need a kestrel when you get to put a weathervane every 15 feet between you and the target. 😂😂
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    I assumed you had never shot any precision oriented matches. Thanks for confirming. I can recommend you a few books on reading wind if you need
     
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    carbonbased said:
    What do you guys think about this?

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    edit: ha, @Secant just posted the same thing.
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    It mostly fits with what I've experienced shooting in the field.

    But a guy has to be somewhere that terrain allows him to get an accurate picture of the wind during that first third. Part of that is being able to get a good measurement (not being blocked by terrain, or standing somewhere that's funneling the wind in an inaccurate speed or direction, etc.), and part is determining how much the bullet is actually exposed to the wind by the terrain along that first third of it's flight path.

    And terrain down range can make bullets do funny things too.

    I use the kestrel and gun number in conjunction with conditions down range, and sometimes with other tools like the Windy App.

    But that's just my 2 cents.
     
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    Tx_Aggie said:
    I use the kestrel and gun number in conjunction with conditions down range
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    That’s what I do too.

    I just d/l the Windy app; they want payment or a “7 day free trial” that you have to add a cc to get. No free looksee.

    What does that app specifically show you that helps your wind calls? Like, does it show you hyper-local conditions or something?
     
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    carbonbased said:
    That’s what I do too.

    I just d/l the Windy app; they want payment or a “7 day free trial” that you have to add a cc to get. No free looksee.

    What does that app specifically show you that helps your wind calls? Like, does it show you hyper-local conditions or something?
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    Windy.app (blue icon) is free. You can also use it free on desk top. You can pay for additional functionality if you want. IME, it is not a good tool for "hyper local" conditions. I use it to look at a location and get an idea of trends. For example, before a match or hunting in a location that is new or that I only go to rarely, I will look at windy over a week or so period for both the forecast of the day that I will be there as well as for the trends over the day (i.e. wind typically is rom the south in the morning than transitions from the west, or whatever). I'll look at the forecast to get a very general idea of if I should be expecting 5 MPH winds or 35 MPH, but nothing super specific.

    There's a ton of different models that you can toggle through that are based on various heights above ground. None of them have correlated for a specific shot for me - just a good tool for big picture stuff.
     
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    Secant said:
    Windy.app (blue icon) is free. You can also use it free on desk top. You can pay for additional functionality if you want. IME, it is not a good tool for "hyper local" conditions. I use it to look at a location and get an idea of trends. For example, before a match or hunting in a location that is new or that I only go to rarely, I will look at windy over a week or so period for both the forecast of the day that I will be there as well as for the trends over the day (i.e. wind typically is rom the south in the morning than transitions from the west, or whatever). I'll look at the forecast to get a very general idea of if I should be expecting 5 MPH winds or 35 MPH, but nothing super specific.

    There's a ton of different models that you can toggle through that are based on various heights above ground. None of them have correlated for a specific shot for me - just a good tool for big picture stuff.
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    @carbonbased

    Pretty much exactly what @Secant says above.

    I've found it useful for seeing trends at a location where I'm expecting to shoot, and the shorter term weather models (HRRR and NAM) usually seem to be the most helpful. Even more so if the location happens to have a weather station on site.

    Windy is not something I really use as a primary tool for making a wind call, but it's another tool in the toolbox.
     
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    Tx_Aggie said:
    It mostly fits with what I've experienced shooting in the field.

    But a guy has to be somewhere that terrain allows him to get an accurate picture of the wind during that first third. Part of that is being able to get a good measurement (not being blocked by terrain, or standing somewhere that's funneling the wind in an inaccurate speed or direction, etc.), and part is determining how much the bullet is actually exposed to the wind by the terrain along that first third of it's flight path.

    And terrain down range can make bullets do funny things too.

    I use the kestrel and gun number in conjunction with conditions down range, and sometimes with other tools like the Windy App.

    But that's just my 2 cents.
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    Sorry, it’s clearly impossible for you to be a good shooter. @Maurygold has made it very clear that you should only read wind and using any other tools or data means you’re a moron. Have you ever seen anyone using the Windy app at your local Whole Foods? No? I rest my case. 😆
     
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    drwood96 said:
    Wow, riveting information guys. Thank you for contributing in this discussion of the Sig KILO Warp.
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    It’s hard to get excited when they all have the same features and cost the same. I’m only concerned interested in 1550nm systems, they all cost the same $10k and have the same AB software. I was hoping Sig might sell these for $7k and steal business from Wilcox, Envision, etc but it looks like they just want a slice of the sales pie. Meh.
     
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    Conqueror said:
    It’s hard to get excited when they all have the same features and cost the same. I’m only concerned interested in 1550nm systems, they all cost the same $10k and have the same AB software. I was hoping Sig might sell these for $7k and steal business from Wilcox, Envision, etc but it looks like they just want a slice of the sales pie. Meh.
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    Magpul is already $5K so… unless the missing 16nm is worth another $5K to you.
     
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    Conqueror said:
    It’s hard to get excited when they all have the same features and cost the same. I’m only concerned interested in 1550nm systems, they all cost the same $10k and have the same AB software. I was hoping Sig might sell these for $7k and steal business from Wilcox, Envision, etc but it looks like they just want a slice of the sales pie. Meh.
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    I’m excited for them, even the 950nm, because Sig really has the laser performance dialed in. Their binos consistently out perform others in all weather conditions and it not even close in fog and rain. They also return a solution faster then other on the market. The Vector X finally came along and gave the KILO competition.

    I’m hoping the Warp will have the same performance.
     
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    rlsmith1 said:
    @Maurygold wind on this type of unit would be very beneficial for hunters, especially those hunting at night. If you have found a good way to read wind at night at various locations then please tell
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    This is something I legit would like to learn how it's done. trial and error has been my go to method lol. But it's landed rounds on target at 912yd on deer.
     
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    drwood96 said:
    I’m excited for them, even the 950nm, because Sig really has the laser performance dialed in. Their binos consistently out perform others in all weather conditions and it not even close in fog and rain. They also return a solution faster then other on the market. The Vector X finally came along and gave the KILO competition.

    I’m hoping the Warp will have the same performance.
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    I'd like to know how they manage good returns with a 950nm laser in rain and fog. I practically only shoot at night in NW FL and nothing in the 900nm range has been able to punch fog/rain on bad nights when a 1550 still can.

    I'm not saying it won't, but I haven't seen anything less than the 1550 be able to do it, which is what makes me more interested in the 15k for $5000 vs shelling out twice that on some of the other units when I want multiple rifles setup for taking my wife/daughter/dad out shooting.
     
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