Rifle Scopes Simrad mounting problems

[Spuhr]

Hi boys

The Simrads used here does have a slightly different mounting solution than the Badgers I see that you are using.
It's extemely picky for the length from the objektive end and it's difficult to mount them on scopes with long and big objektives.
Here is some Simrad mounts I have made in the past so you understands what I am talking about.

6 pieces of Hensoldt and S&B sniperscopes with various mounts, with various lengths to fit to this stupid interface.

Mount snapped on to the scope, unfortunately it has to be mounted forward and back.

Close up on a mount for a scope with short bell.

Simrad mounted on Swedish Armys current 10x42 Hensoldt.

The problems for the user is that the Simrad interface is useless for everything else than the simrad.
The prices on the mounts gets very excessive as they almost has to be custommade to the actual scope as the lenghts varies so much. The mounts can also be forced to be very high as the simrad has to be mounted from front and back.

The problems for the manufacturer is that the number of models gets very large and stocking becomes a problelm.

I am thinking about making a mount that is Picatinny based, so the picatinny can be used for other equipment during daytime.
With the picatinny the simrad does not have to be mounted from front and back, but can as well be mounted from top and down.
I also want to make a mount that not is so length sensitive.

Any opinions before I get to the machines and start milling?
Have I missed something? does your Simrad mounts looks entirely different?

Håkan

 

[sinister]

Re: Simrad mounting problems

Badger products:

 

[NOMAD]

Re: Simrad mounting problems

Very nice pics and great post.

As sinister has posted Badger has already made that fix.

I guess the question what is the real issue? Is the fact that you have to tweak the mounts for the guns or is the front to rear installation?

The unfortunate issue is the SIMRAD is a great system and they each have there positive and negatives.

Also just FYI my company Impact Data Books is the only company offering a SIMRAD zeroing tracking page that can be used with SIMRADS zeroing target.

Popular page with the units using these optics. Good luck with your mount.

 

[Spuhr]

Re: Simrad mounting problems

No sorry you are missunderstanding me.
In my opinion Badger hasent made the solution as their solution does not work on a number of scopes such as 4-16 and 5-25PM2 or 6-24 Zeiss.
If you look the the first picture in my post you see that there is a considerable length differance betwen the mounts, all depending on the actual scope.
So the Badger solution would work on a Leupold,or a Hensoldt 3-12 but never on a PM2 4-16 and not on an IOR or any other scope with long objective bell.

Håkan

 

[sinister]

Re: Simrad mounting problems

Australian forces adopted the KN203 SIMRAD and designed their own mount.

"The rail system is our own developed here at Singleton. LEA took a great deal of interest in it and with advice from DMO put it out to contract and we now have it," WO2 Darby Matthews, School of Infantry said.

 

[NOMAD]

Re: Simrad mounting problems

So wouldnt just lengthing the badger style mount to a longer length fix that?

 

[Spuhr]

Re: Simrad mounting problems

Nope its really not that simple as when the bell is long there is not suffiecient room for the interface parts on the Simrad when they should go inbetwen the bell and the mount on the scope.
So the only solution then is to rise the mount and mount the simrad ofset. On 5-25 S&B I had to mount it 1/4" to high.

Simrad have made a large number of various interfaces depending on various scopes. But that is why I am thinking on a Picatinny interface and clamping it from the top instead of from the front.

Håkan

 

[Terry Cross]

Re: Simrad mounting problems

Spuhr,

I would encourage you to do some research regarding Simrad within the USA.

SPA Simrad is the U.S. entity for Simrad. Any new units being sold and any existing units being serviced have to go through them.

It is a fact that they will not warrant or service any Simrad unit that does not mount with the male dovetail supplied by them. They are extremely rigid in this aspect and, in my opinion, are taking advantage of the situation with their pricing.

If I delivered rifles to a department with Badger or any other male dovetail besides theirs and and one of their reps found out, they would not touch the unit if there was a problem.

Accordingly, I have to go through SPA to get this part and then they need an authorization letter from the end user dept. saying that is where the parts are going. These are not nuclear triggers but they act like they are.

Anyway, I would just caution you to cover all of your bases with any users in the U.S. prior to selling/shipping to them. I'm sure they would love your product but SPA Simrad may not.

Best of luck with your projects. They look outstanding.

 

[gol1]

Re: Simrad mounting problems

Today you can get much more sophisticated and advanced night sights like the UNS MUNS FLIR HISS which are all front clip-ons why would somebody like to take such a heavy and bulky unit that increases your silhouette almost two times more complicated puts lot of pressure on the objective lens with the prism system and is so finky about mounting?
Simrad KN-250 was a very great lip in night vision devices but today they are so 60's
Simrad should also make a normal clip on device like every body else probably change to forward mounting and maybe make it a bit lighter

 

[Revenge Seeker]

Re: Simrad mounting problems

Sorry to go off topic, but Terry your PM box is full, now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

 

[Terry Cross]

Re: Simrad mounting problems

Agreed. Much better animals out there now.
Unfortunately there are still a ton of Simrad users here that sold their souls a few years ago to get them. Even though they are old school, they still work and there are lots of new rifles going into service that have to accomodate them.

I have sent quite a few rifles out with dual systems (Simrad dovetail and forward embedded NV rail) on each rifle so they can eventually transition to the PVS22/27 family.

Even SPA Simrad is being forced to see reality. They are now selling the Grumman PVS23 type unit as an alternative to their Simrads. The 23 still can't run with the original OSTI PVS22 for on and off repeatability.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Made room in my PM box. Thanks for the heads up.

Terry