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Something kicking off in Israel

But it wasn't a heavily armored convoy. It was three cars that had notified the Israelis and marked their cars with the appropriate symbols and beacons so there was full knowledge and visibility to who they were and what they were doing. They hit the first car, second stopped to pick up the wounded and retreat. They then bombed the second car. Third car picks up the victims from the second car, then it gets hit. Israel had full knowledge of who these people were and what their objective was. Whether or not the group that send the missiles had knowledge can be debated; if that is the case it potentially means that there was a breakdown in command, which is also bad.

Israel attacked aid workers ‘systematically, car by car,’ charity founder says, as fury builds over deadly strike


What should be in view is that it doesn't necessarily matter what happened on the ground, what matters is what the impression worldwide is as it has the potential for even more people to not support Israel and those that oppose them to use it for their own narrative. The UK, Australia, Spain, Poland and even the US are pissed. The papers in the UK are not being gentle with their criticism, and the Bibi's apology is tepid at best.

"The circumstances surrounding the killings have renewed scrutiny of Israel’s targeting methods and decision-making process in ordering air and drone strikes. According to a report in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, the convoy did not contain any suspected militants and had been travelling along a route pre-approved and coordinated with the Israeli military."


"World Central Kitchen (WCK) has a different way of coordinating its movements with the Israeli military. They’ve developed a good system of direct contact. They’re very well known to the Israelis. They constantly update their movements. That’s why we’re all absolutely shocked at the airstrikes – the fact that it was WCK. It has shaken confidence in the system. I feel quite nervous now, I’ll be honest."


Here is what Al Jazeera is running with. Israel has lost the narrative on this one, and the event is being used to bolster the genocide argument. When combined with the bombing of the Iranian consulate in Syria and the attack in Lebanon they are using these data points to form the image that Israel has gone stark raving mad and is now acting like a true terrorist state that is backed by the US.

I just know what the news said this morning when they interviewed the head guy that puts this on. The news used the term, Heavly armored convoy, that made me think there would be some kind of escort.

Really I don't much know, or much care, they are in a war zone you run the risk of getting shot. You go in knowing that, then anything that happens is on you.
 
Correct; not to mention that weapons & ammunition supply convoys have historically been disguised as humanitarian/medical/famine-relief convoys.

It has been going on for a very long time, and the reason it continues to go on is it works. Lusitania anyone? Those people getting sunk did what it was intended to do, get the US in the war and win the war against Germany.

What would the world look like if not for that one thing. Wilson would not get what he needed to get the US in the war, There would be no Israel, that entire section of the world would not have been redrawn. You know the new soviets would have supplied the germans with everything from food to war material. There is little chance that France and England could have held out all that much longer. Would the soviets have aided the germans, "white" russians on the run from the soviets?

Interesting what if.
 
How are there still windows? Something doesn’t look right.
This one still has a passenger rear window.

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The cars just just don't line up. Why is that first picture look like a hole was just punched in the top of the car. As a wise man once said.



That car in the top pic looks like there is no kaboom, and yet a big hole in the roof.

Maybe the same Hellfire R9X missile that Trump used on Soleimani. Uses metal blades, minimizes collateral damage, launched from predator drone. Just a guess, could be totally wrong.
 
This is how….
This is what I was thinking. You can maybe see a piece of the fuselage in the front seat circled in red.

A quick question to Bing Copilot AI pulled this up:

"The United States has supplied Israel with the Hellfire R9X missile, a weapon that stands not only for destruction but also for precision. This missile, often referred to as the “ninja bomb” or “knife bomb”, represents a significant shift in the theater of modern technological warfare during the Gaza war1.

Unlike conventional missiles, the Hellfire R9X doesn’t carry an explosive warhead. Instead, it relies on kinetic energy and six deployable blades that rotate in a 2-meter radius. When it strikes a target, these blades shred it into pieces without causing an explosion. This unique design aims to minimize collateral damage while still achieving maximum impact1.

The strategic rationale behind the U.S. decision to supply the R9X to Israel is closely tied to their long-standing commitment to Israel’s security. By introducing the R9X into the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, there’s a shift in the dynamics of the ongoing war. This move allows for a more strategic and calculated approach to Israeli military interventions, potentially reducing international criticism and outcry over civilian casualties1.

The Hellfire R9X is a testament to modern warfare’s evolution—a weapon designed for surgical precision rather than indiscriminate destruction. Its deployment in the region reflects the delicate balance between security interests and ethical considerations1.

Interestingly, more than 100,000 Hellfire missiles (including the R9X variant) have been sold by the U.S. to various countries, further emphasizing their significance in contemporary military operations23. The R9X’s impact extends beyond its physical form—it represents a paradigm shift in how nations approach conflict and security challenges."
 
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and don't forget when O had one shipped to Cuba.
My $$, fully working, someone's just playing CYA. Inert...meaning, it had everything but some explosive :rolleyes:

US Hellfire missile mistakenly shipped to Cuba​

 
This is an example of the "Israel as a terrorist state" narrative taking hold that I was talking about. If they are not careful it will turn the entire world against them.



 
This is an example of the "Israel as a terrorist state" narrative taking hold that I was talking about. If they are not careful it will turn the entire world against them.


I am not a big fan of Israel, but we need to remember what started this, we need to remember that way back in the times of Arafat they had offers of their own country, and Israel was ready to make some pretty deep cuts to give them a slice. No he wanted it all. And here we are.

They want israel removed from the planet, and that is not going to happen without a really bright light.
 
I am not a big fan of Israel, but we need to remember what started this, we need to remember that way back in the times of Arafat they had offers of their own country, and Israel was ready to make some pretty deep cuts to give them a slice. No he wanted it all. And here we are.

They want israel removed from the planet, and that is not going to happen without a really bright light.
No disagreement. There are no bloodless leadership hands in this.
 
What was Hamas trying to accomplish when they launched their attack?

Surely they didn't have the numbers involved to gain a victory over the entire country of Israel. Hell, it wasn't even designed to hold territory.

So why?

My opinion is what they expected to have happen is happening.

Did they miscalculate that others (Hezbollah, etc.) would join in the party in vast numbers?

Were they willing to embroil Israel in a war of attrition in Gaza, hoping that others would step in before it got "too real"?

Or maybe they were hoping for the current scenario, where mistakes get made on the urban battlefield (which are bound to happen, unless Israel becomes USA foolish with impossible ROE) and world opinion turns forcing a political settlement?

Or maybe they were tired/frustrated with the status quo, hoping for a slow spread of the conflict that turns into the bigger fish getting involved in a big way either in a shooting war or an imposed political solution.

Or maybe they were crazed animals just wanting to kill, rape, torture, kidnap? May have appealed to the people who attacked but I doubt it was the true motivation of the planners.

There has to be a reason, just like Bin Laden planning the Trade Center, Pentagon and hoping for other targets. Not designed to defeat in the short term but to embroil, entangle and bring down over the long term.
 
What was Hamas trying to accomplish when they launched their attack?

Surely they didn't have the numbers involved to gain a victory over the entire country of Israel. Hell, it wasn't even designed to hold territory.

So why?

My opinion is what they expected to have happen is happening.

Did they miscalculate that others (Hezbollah, etc.) would join in the party in vast numbers?

Were they willing to embroil Israel in a war of attrition in Gaza, hoping that others would step in before it got "too real"?

Or maybe they were hoping for the current scenario, where mistakes get made on the urban battlefield (which are bound to happen, unless Israel becomes USA foolish with impossible ROE) and world opinion turns forcing a political settlement?

Or maybe they were tired/frustrated with the status quo, hoping for a slow spread of the conflict that turns into the bigger fish getting involved in a big way either in a shooting war or an imposed political solution.

Or maybe they were crazed animals just wanting to kill, rape, torture, kidnap? May have appealed to the people who attacked but I doubt it was the true motivation of the planners.

There has to be a reason, just like Bin Laden planning the Trade Center, Pentagon and hoping for other targets. Not designed to defeat in the short term but to embroil, entangle and bring down over the long term.
If you can believe what they are saying, one of the Hamas leaders came out and stated that a major reason for them doing it now were the red heifers Israel is about to slaughter. Those animals are on a timeline, so it has to happen soon. I'm suspicious of that excuse, but who knows. Muslims don't seem to be too happy about them and some perceive the Dome to be at risk after the sacrifice as the ashes are needed to purify the Rabbi's for the temple construction. But my thought was why not just go find the heifers and kill them or blemish them in some way, that would put everything on pause for a while.
 
If you can believe what they are saying, one of the Hamas leaders came out and stated that a major reason for them doing it now were the red heifers Israel is about to slaughter. Those animals are on a timeline, so it has to happen either this year or next. I'm suspicious of that excuse, but who knows. Muslims don't seem to be too happy about them and some perceive the Dome to be at risk after the sacrifice as the ashes are needed to purify the Rabbi's for the temple construction.
Then why did they half-ass it? Were they expecting the rest of the Muslim world to come with them?

Just asking, because, obviously, I don't know.
 
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Then why did they half-ass it? Were they expecting the rest of the Muslim world to come with them?

Just asking, because, obviously, I don't know.
I think they thought that Hezbollah would come to their aid, and I have read reports that this is what they anticipated. However, Hezbollah got pissed because Hamas did it without telling them and getting their buy-in. So Hezbollah has kind of set back and let things transpire while saying they wont let the Palestinians be thrown out of Gaza. But they sure seem to be allowing just that.
 
I think they thought that Hezbollah would come to their aid, and I have read reports that this is what they anticipated. However, Hezbollah got pissed because Hamas did it without telling them and getting their buy-in. So Hezbollah has kind of set back and let things transpire while saying they wont let the Palestinians be thrown out of Gaza. But they sure seem to be allowing just that.
Either they are really clever or really stupid.
 
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Either they are really clever or really stupid.
My thought is that they are allowing it to get the rest of the Muslim world to galvanize against Israel and its allies. So Hamas was stupid but Hezbollah and its buds may be not letting the crisis go to waste. And it seems to be working. If this is true then it means Hezbollah, etc are also culpable for all those Gaza deaths because they are not only 'allowing" it but want it for their own purposes. Iran is holding them back for some reason. But after Israel bombing the Consulate in Syria, Hezbollah's entry may be on the table.
 
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My thought is that they are allowing it to get the rest of the Muslim world to galvanize against Israel and its allies. So Hamas was stupid but Hezbollah and its buds may be not letting the crisis go to waste. And it seems to be working. If this is true then it means Hezbollah, etc are also culpable for all those Gaza deaths because they are not only 'allowing" it but want it for their own purposes. Iran is holding them back for some reason. But after Israel bombing the Consulate in Syria, Hezbollah's entry may be on the table.
Not just Hezbollah.

Now was Israel clever or stupid?
 
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Clean sandbags, clean motar tube, new flags. Good looking setup for a PR campaign. If its real thats the last clean Hamas fighter and the cleanest building in all of Gaza.
probably from all the new supplies that Biden's shipping in to Gaza. Any of those bags say US Aid relief? Then if Israel counter strikes, Hamas/insert 'terrorist organization here' can blame Israel on blowing up grain and supplies.
 
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My counter to people suggesting we're dealing with normal people as in Islamic radicals.

What sort of man can get an erection and have sex with a girl they have just mutilated?
Does that sound 'normal' to you? Certainly fits the bill if we're talking about sociopathic savages.
It wasn't just one isolated man doing this but roving mobs. It would indicate there's something seriously wrong with their ideology. Not a group of people I'd want to live with.
 

"Iran is “threatening to launch a significant attack on Israel,” Biden told a news conference.
“As I told Prime Minister Netanyahu, our commitment to Israel’s security against these threats from Iran and its proxies is ironclad,” Biden said.
“Let me say it again — ironclad. We’re going to do all we can to protect Israel’s security,” said Biden, "

Senior U.S. general to visit Israel to coordinate on Iran attack threat
 
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"Iran is “threatening to launch a significant attack on Israel,” Biden told a news conference.
“As I told Prime Minister Netanyahu, our commitment to Israel’s security against these threats from Iran and its proxies is ironclad,” Biden said.
“Let me say it again — ironclad. We’re going to do all we can to protect Israel’s security,” said Biden, "

Senior U.S. general to visit Israel to coordinate on Iran attack threat
So Iran can target and kill a US General?
 
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Don't forget we also have 46K freshly arrived "newcomer" Chinese military aged men. 46,000 new likely-CCP members inside the US.
A Oct 7th style event would most likely kick off as soon as the fuck foolery starts in the middle or far east.
Around here the amount of armed people has jumped 10 fold, and food that used to be sold by the can, has now reverted to case lots at a time.
 
forming an opinion,not that mine would matter,is hard. conflicting reports,opinions,docs,usual media lies make that a problem,if it matters. to me:
is there good evidence that the iDF has been guilty of many atrocities in gaza/w.bank over the last several decades? for me that is an important issue.
if yes,then their (alleged) behavior there now is harder to justify.
if no,then what they are doing now is easy to understand.
israel has indeed been subjected to constant terror attacks-suicide bombing,raids,mortar & rocket attacks for many years. many citizens killed,injured.
that in a small,isolated,outnumbered,hated society would be expected to create universal hate for those responsible.
personally,if i had had friends,family,neighbors killed by muslim terrorist actions,i would be happy to see the extermination of the whole group who they were members of.
israel has been responsible for manipulating our pols,spying on us,at least 1 attack on our military.
bb faces jail time when/if this settles out. he is well known to be guilty of corrupt power grabs. would have been punished if 10/7 never happened. big protests against him just prior. he seems to be his own main concern in all this.
did idf know,ignore or help on 10/7 to create an excuse for action?
israel is a theocratic dictatorship similar to iran in many ways. it has one of the worst covid/vaccine abuse records on the planet.
the actions of the obiden regime actions are too familiar to the usual gov actions in manipulating our way into war; ww1,ww2,vietnam,iraq. flimsy excuses,lies and obfuscation,coercion have been the pattern here for > a century.
so,how to know and understand,what to believe,who to believe and what to do (haha for average useless,powerless citizen)?
my ideas,LOL? reestablish solid unbreakable energy independence. yea,thru petro products,some nuc and with research ONLY into fusion,alternative options. then leave mideast all together and of course fix the problems here,a long and separate discussion. let the europeans,russia,china deal with the rag heads.
anything we do about gaza shouldn't and won't have anything to do with solving the fact that we are now unsalvageably fucked here.
 
some suspect this are cheap rockets designed to exhaust air defense systems.

 
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he's basically saying that "we" are using air defense missiles at a higher rate than we can replace them, and didn't have the foresight to react when the shit started hitting the fan a couple years ago (under this spineless regime). i think he's saying at some point, lots of people will be defenseless.

 
This is an example of the "Israel as a terrorist state" narrative taking hold that I was talking about. If they are not careful it will turn the entire world against them.




I’m not convinced the org in question was/is just a relief group.
 
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