Staying on target post shot

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I would advise against any thought of leaning your shoulder into the rifle. “Load the bipod“ is a terrible phrase IMO and it creates a lot more problems than it solves. I can’t imagine a scenario where someone is set up correctly with the rifle connected to them and then something goes wrong because they didn’t load the bipod. There are 1000 scenarios where trying to load the bipod can make bad stuff happen. Get yourself connected to the ground/bench correctly and get the rifle connected to you correctly, shift your feet/hips until you are on target with a natural point of aim. I can purposely reverse load the bipod and still stay on target easily so IMO there are much more important things to focus on.
Precision Underground, with all due respect, we already resolved the “lean in with you shoulder” thing. You are beating a dead horse. No one here thinks you should do that.

I will respectfully disagree with you. I would always recommend loading the bipod when possible. Whether you like the term or not, it useful way to describe the process. If shooter wants to see their shot hit, stay on target after the shot, see the trace, how else are they supposed to do it ?

A shooter can load the bipod incorrectly and can pull the trigger incorrectly. Should we advise not to use the trigger because it can be pulled with too much force, too much finger purchase, too inconsistent?

people have to shoot, make mistakes, correct mistakes and develop their skills. Including figuring out how to load the bipod.
 

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Precision Underground, with all due respect, we already resolved the “lean in with you shoulder” thing. You are beating a dead horse. No one here thinks you should do that.

I will respectfully disagree with you. I would always recommend loading the bipod when possible. Whether you like the term or not, it useful way to describe the process. If shooter wants to see their shot hit, stay on target after the shot, see the trace, how else are they supposed to do it ?

A shooter can load the bipod incorrectly and can pull the trigger incorrectly. Should we advise not to use the trigger because it can be pulled with too much force, too much finger purchase, too inconsistent?

people have to shoot, make mistakes, correct mistakes and develop their skills. Including figuring out how to load the bipod.
Yes! you are exactly right you want to comfortably lean into your rifle with your shoulder, while there is support under the stock (get a shooting bag for under the buttstock, your support hand will be holding the bag to raise or lower the end of the rifle). You need to have something solid in-front of the bipod that you can put pressure on or have the bipod legs dug in a bit. T
You literally just told the guy to lean into the rifle with his shoulder. I could go further and say that your description of the bag being the means to support and aim the rifle is bad advice as well but what do I know 🤷🏼‍♂️.... And again, “dig the bipod legs in so you can pressure them” is absolutely terrible advice for recoil control. A lot of guys may shoot braked 6mm like that and stay on target but if you get on a rifle with actual recoil you’ll figure out that stuff doesn’t work.

It’s a natural progression with a shooter and recoil control. Guys think they have it figured out and then they take the brake off or grab a magnum caliber and suddenly the rifle is all over the place. Stuff that you thought was right is not right. Then you have to learn more(ask me how I know this). If you are using the bag as your primary means to support and aim the rifle you are not on a natural point of aim. If you aren’t on a natural point of aim you are not controlling any significant recoil... end of story. As for loading the bipod, I can shoot an unbraked 300 Norma Mag and purposely unload the bipod and still stay on target. So actual real world experience tells me loading the bipod is not a big part of recoil control. The Youtube sniper brigade would have you believe different but in reality it just isn’t. Can it be helpful if done right? Sure. But again, it’s not the reason someone isn’t staying on target.
 

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You literally just told the guy to lean into the rifle with his shoulder. I could go further and say that your description of the bag being the means to support and aim the rifle is bad advice as well but what do I know 🤷🏼‍♂️.... And again, “dig the bipod legs in so you can pressure them” is absolutely terrible advice for recoil control. A lot of guys may shoot braked 6mm like that and stay on target but if you get on a rifle with actual recoil you’ll figure out that stuff doesn’t work.

It’s a natural progression with a shooter and recoil control. Guys think they have it figured out and then they take the brake off or grab a magnum caliber and suddenly the rifle is all over the place. Stuff that you thought was right is not right. Then you have to learn more(ask me how I know this). If you are using the bag as your primary means to support and aim the rifle you are not on a natural point of aim. If you aren’t on a natural point of aim you are not controlling any significant recoil... end of story. As for loading the bipod, I can shoot an unbraked 300 Norma Mag and purposely unload the bipod and still stay on target. So actual real world experience tells me loading the bipod is not a big part of recoil control. The Youtube sniper brigade would have you believe different but in reality it just isn’t. Can it be helpful if done right? Sure. But again, it’s not the reason someone isn’t staying on target.
Like I said you are beating a dead horse.

In post 41, Newbie2020 corrected me on the shoulder lean. I immediately acknowledged it in post 42.

That was TWO DAYS ago, soooo I did not “literally just say that”.

Don’t quote mine just to fit your argument.

I am not the super awesome master shooter like you are. So, I make mistakes. I try to own them. It’s annoying when cool people like you won’t it go.
 

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Like I said you are beating a dead horse.

In post 41, Newbie2020 corrected me on the shoulder lean. I immediately acknowledged it in post 42.

That was TWO DAYS ago, soooo I did not “literally just say that”.

Don’t quote mine just to fit your argument.

I am not the super awesome master shooter like you are. So, I make mistakes. I try to own them. It’s annoying when cool people like you won’t it go.
I think you are being self conscious. My first post wasn’t directed at you. I quoted the OPs post in an attempt to help him. I didn’t even know you were the one that said to use your shoulder until you showed up wagging your finger at me. Settle down and try to learn twice as much as you teach and you’ll be fine.
 

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I think you are being self conscious. My first post wasn’t directed at you. I quoted the OPs post in an attempt to help him. I didn’t even know you were the one that said to use your shoulder until you showed up wagging your finger at me. Settle down and try to learn twice as much as you teach and you’ll be fine.
Ha, in spite of my desire to bark back, you’re probably right.
 
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    Precision Underground, with all due respect, we already resolved the “lean in with you shoulder” thing. You are beating a dead horse. No one here thinks you should do that.

    I will respectfully disagree with you. I would always recommend loading the bipod when possible. Whether you like the term or not, it useful way to describe the process. If shooter wants to see their shot hit, stay on target after the shot, see the trace, how else are they supposed to do it ?

    A shooter can load the bipod incorrectly and can pull the trigger incorrectly. Should we advise not to use the trigger because it can be pulled with too much force, too much finger purchase, too inconsistent?

    people have to shoot, make mistakes, correct mistakes and develop their skills. Including figuring out how to load the bipod.
    Loading a bipod is not how you stay on the rifle. If it was, we wouldn’t be able to stay on target when shooting off a bag or in a position where we cannot load into the rifle.

    What loading a bipod does is increase one’s consistency. As the bipod has a set amount of slack. When you properly load, you’re just taking out that slack. This in turn creates a repeatable action and increases consistency. The methodology of when to teach this can be debated. But you don’t need to have the bipod loaded to properly follow through and watch your shot.
     
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    @Dthomas3523 is the advantage of an Atlas or thunderbeast vs my old Harris less slack to take out of the legs? Trying to justify a Bipod upgrade vs other needs.
     

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    @Dthomas3523 is the advantage of an Atlas or thunderbeast vs my old Harris less slack to take out of the legs? Trying to justify a Bipod upgrade vs other needs.
    The advantage over the Harris is going to be the overall quality and not being out of square and such.

    You’ll see difference on paper, but less of a difference at matches shooting 2moa targets. Which is why you still see a decent amount of Harris on the line. PRS is a balance of speed and close enough.
     

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    Awesome! Thank you. They all beat me up about my 30-yr old Harris at the class but I shot 0.55 moa at 300 yds on paper and banged steel out to a mile 4x in a row after my spotter walked me in. So I guess I’ll hold off on a new bipod.

    The locking cant would be nice though. Tweaking legs to get the reticle level every time I move is a pain.