Stupidity of the Left
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Greenday I’m guessing that you don’t own a gun or you know what end that pointy thingy comes out of when you move the little lever on the bottom.
Trolling?
Trolling?
I should know better than to feed him.
But at least he’s pretty well outed as such now.
But at least he’s pretty well outed as such now.
Yeah, he's pretty much a Huff Po, Salon mag leftist.
So much inculcation of Marxist ideas in such a small mind.
So much inculcation of Marxist ideas in such a small mind.
"ID's cost money. That's akin to a voter's tax. Going to get an ID would require taking time off from work which the poor don't have the luxury of doing, especially since they aren't usually working for good enough companies that give paid leave. Frankly, the fact that election day isn't a federal holiday is ridiculous."
Huff Post is calling, they have lost one of their special-ed cases.
Huff Post is calling, they have lost one of their special-ed cases.
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How? I can't think of anyone wanting to vote for that gorilla in drag . . .
So you are saying needing a ID to purchase a firearm is also akin to taxing the poor's ability to exercise their second amendment right......Man I am finally starting to agree with you on something.
You mean the same ID's they already have to qualify for 'gibsmedat'? Those?
Yeah, I thought so . . . DOA argument . . .
I'm not trolling. I'm a social liberal. I'm pro-personal rights. And I own 3 rifles and a pistol. I also reload .223 and 6.5CM. Shooting was one of my first dates with my wife.
Yes. I don't think it should cost money just to be qualified as a firearm owner. It is ridiculous.
@Greenday4537 Please name all the reasons you are against voter ID is it only because you say the poor cannot afford a ID or are there other reasons you are against voter ID?
? First date range time.... great.
Socially liberal not so much. Thankfully we can disagree without being jailed or exterminated.
Socially liberal not so much. Thankfully we can disagree without being jailed or exterminated.
Sorry, no ID no vote, period. How did the poor in your scenario get a job without appropriate ID to vote? Unless they’re working under the table and illegally they didn’t. You need an ID for everything these days, you can’t even return shit and Home Depot without a receipt and then use the resulting gift card without ID. If someone doesn’t make an effort to get an ID they shouldn’t be voting either. I believe an ID costs $8 in my state, but I have no issue making ID‘s free for all. I’ve read about issues with people not being able to get proper documentation (copies of a birth certificate or similar) so we should fix that as well. I’m completely fine with making Election Day a federal holiday, but we should do away with mail in ballots except for our military overseas, drag your ass to the polls if voting is important to you.
When Texas was trying to pass voter ID laws in the past decade they were offering to send mobile units to poor and minority communities to issue ID’s for free, yet the democrats still sued to stop the law from going into effect. Eventually they settled on utility bills being enough ID to cast a ballot. Once the lawsuit hurdles were finally cleared 15% of the minority community didn’t vote because they didn’t understand the rules for what is proper documentation. If they’re too ignorant to educate themselves they’re too ignorant to cast a ballot.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/tex...sing-voters-into-disenfranchising-themselves/
I don't believe the voting process in any way should cost money. Even free ID's cost money. Government facilities have limited hours which are usually when people work. Not a big deal for the average person to take an hour off from work but when you are poor and have to work multiple jobs to survive, it's a big deal. What about the disabled who can't drive themselves? Elderly?
There are states that would ban ID's like public assistance or VA ID's. And all the studies show that voter ID's mainly affect non-white people. White people not getting asked for ID but everyone else does.
If we are going to enforce voter ID laws, fine, but we need to make a serious effort to ensure every eligible voter can super easily get one.
Yes, I don't expect everyone to agree with me. Such is life. I move on. But we all enjoy shooting here and so far, it's been an insanely good group to learn from and share knowledge with.? First date range time.... great.
As a white person living in AZ, I’ve been asked to show ID every single time I went to the polls since casting my first ballot in 1994.
Again, how did those poor people get multiple jobs without proper ID?
As a white person living in NJ, I've never been asked. I assume not everyone will experience the same thing.
What studies?
As they represent over 70% of the pop this assertion will have to be backed up.
How many times have you gotten to vote in a Presidential election?
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Here's a good study to start with: https://today.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/FullReportVoterIDJune20141.pdf
I've voted in every presidential election I've been old enough to vote for. So that would be...three. And I vote in midterm elections.
You're going to have to find a less biased article than one from the Institute for Race and Justice.
I figured you were on the younger side.
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ID is required to get a job.
ID is required to get unemployment.
ID is required to buy a gun.
ID is required to buy cigarettes.
ID is required to get a bank account.
ID is required to receive any form of welfare or assistance.
ID is required to buy a plane ticket.
ID is required to buy a beer.
ID is required to rent a hotel room.
ID is required to ren an apartment.
ID is required to do almost everything..... but vote anywhere the leftists want vote fraud to run rampant.
ID is required to get unemployment.
ID is required to buy a gun.
ID is required to buy cigarettes.
ID is required to get a bank account.
ID is required to receive any form of welfare or assistance.
ID is required to buy a plane ticket.
ID is required to buy a beer.
ID is required to rent a hotel room.
ID is required to ren an apartment.
ID is required to do almost everything..... but vote anywhere the leftists want vote fraud to run rampant.
So getting an ID for a gun is easy, but one for voting is an insurmountable obstacle?
The point is the lefty hypocrisy. They required ID for buying a gun in 1968, but now requiring an ID is suddenly racist.
Nevermind the racist beginnings of gun control in the US.
I could post some from the ACLU but because they are liberal, I assume you'll automatically ignore it.
What We Know About Voter ID Laws
Estimating the effects of measures is a tricky business.
fivethirtyeight.com
How Voter ID Laws Discriminate Against Racial Minorities
A new study finds evidence that strict voting laws do suppress the ballot by race.
www.theatlantic.com
Shouldn't these people working multiple jobs already have an ID? Last time I checked you need an ID to work somewhere legally. Give me break with these petty excuses.
Does getting a cell phone require an ID?I could post some from the ACLU but because they are liberal, I assume you'll automatically ignore it.
What We Know About Voter ID Laws
Estimating the effects of measures is a tricky business.How Voter ID Laws Discriminate Against Racial Minorities
A new study finds evidence that strict voting laws do suppress the ballot by race.
The ACLU has proven just as unreliable as Universities
R
A simple question.
In the poorest parts I've visited across this nation they all have cell phones.
R
Lets apply some of your reasoning and logic for people voting more than once to people that you say couldn't vote because they can't get a ID.
This is exactly how people that supposedly couldn't get an ID would affect an election.
This is exactly how people that supposedly couldn't get an ID would affect an election.
Ok, but depriving people of their right to vote is WAY worse than not worrying about a dozen illegal immigrants voting.
Do you really believe the bullshit you type?
No. Which is why he won't answer how getting an ID for a gun is easy, but not for voting. Or how all these downtrodden people get a cell phone or government benefits sans ID.
If lefties were as good at making opportunities as they were at making excuses, they wouldn't have to be lefties.
Last lick I am going to get in on this old horse. We will never know the actual numbers to support either of our arguments, but I would bet everything I own that the number of people voting illegally is far greater than the number of people that can't vote because they can't get a ID. I will finish with this.......If someone votes illegally that cancels out a legal persons vote doesn't that essentially deprive them (legal person) of their vote?
Yes, it SURE is. STUPID easy...for anyone...that needs one...for ANY reason. That's kind of the point. Glad you agree.
I could post some from the ACLU but because they are liberal, I assume you'll automatically ignore it.
What We Know About Voter ID Laws
Estimating the effects of measures is a tricky business.How Voter ID Laws Discriminate Against Racial Minorities
A new study finds evidence that strict voting laws do suppress the ballot by race.
I don’t dismiss info from the left automatically, but I do look for collaborative information from more neutral sources. Harvard’s School of Racism and the ACLU aren’t bias free. When I’m trying to prove my point to liberals I try my best to use sources like The Atlantic, or something left of center, rather than something far right that they won’t bother reading.
I did read the executive summary of the Harvard study. It touches on a few points that I made in this thread. I don’t agree that all of these factors are akin to a poll tax on the poor and minorities. There are plenty of other reasons why they need an ID, voting is just one of many.
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. -Tytler
Give me a break. Where can I find these U.S. citizens that don't work, don't drive, don't buy alcohol, don't buy cigarettes, don't gamble, don't get on a plane, don't receive government assistance, don't own a cell phone, don't rent an apartment, don't stay at hotels or motels, don't buy medicine, don't go to the doctor, and are so busy they can't make it down the DMV a couple times a decade? Because if you could help me find one, I'd love to help that person out.
Tell me, where were you when Obama and Holder dropped all the charges against the Black Panthers for a pretty clear case of voter intimidation in 2008?
And you're off by several orders of magnitudes with how many illegals are suspected of voting (or at least how many total votes they cast, which isn't necessarily the same number).
I hate this response-the same old canned liberal BS retort. Everybody with a job-any job-can get time off-at some point. You act like poor people are so helpless and clueless that they can't figure out 1 or 2 hours to go get an ID. It's preposterous that an ID doesn't need to be shown to vote. Preposterous. I've never heard a good argument otherwise. Cost is a terrible argument-with all the fraud waste and abuse in govt the cost of IDs is going to matter? Preposterous. I would gladly pay-and I'd imagine most sensible people-an "ID" tax so that elections are as legitimate as possible. Such a simple thing.
Nevermind the assertion that poor people are working 70-80 hours a week.
Some folks have never worked in or spent any time around government housing.
Yep-and these are the people they choose to set their "standards" by. They're letting the weak lead the way-exactly the opposite of nature. It's a race to the bottom just like they always say about Capitalism.
The only people who should be allowed to vote. Should be people who pay private property taxes. No one else should be allowed.
Well, most Republicans would not be okay with paying such a tax. And it's not that poor people aren't allowed to take time off. It's that they dont have PTO so it takes away from their paycheck to do it. So the ID costs money, taking time off essentially costs money, let's say they are 18 and their parents were irresponsible so they dont have necessary ID to get a photo ID. That takes time and money. It all adds up.
No, that's quite preposterous. Anyone who pays taxes period should be allowed to vote. Anything less is unAmerican as hell. We fought a whole war over that.
Now we’re getting somewhere. I agree 100% that only someone who is actually a taxpayer and a US citizen should vote. That would wipe the voter rolls of all the welfare people and probably a fair amount of college kids who don’t pay a dime while voting for every asshole offering free shit.
I would be OK with if you put more into the system then you take out you get to vote how about we start with that.
