I was considering picking one up to go with a surgeon take-off barrel a friend has. I have heard that the company is not what it used to be and there are better options?
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Anything wrong with Surgeon?
I'm about to embark on an traditional looking urban-sniper-ish build and don't think I want to go with a plane-Jane Remy 700 receiver. I still like that traditional aesthetic of the Rem700's though and I already have a bunch of stuff for the 700 footprint, so I don't want to stray into anything...
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I would say that is true as far as quality with the first actions produced in AZ, but with Preston back in charge quality will be just like it was in OK.
I hope that's the case as they were top quality back "in the day"
Last one I played with would bind a lot and bolt lift wasn’t great. Sure that might have been a one off but I’d say unless you try the actual action you’re going to buy and are happy with it why bother when there’s so many good options out there.
This thread is gay. I have both OK and AZ actions and they all shoot. Worry more about who does your barrel.
0 reason to risk getting a surgeon when there’s plenty of quality actions on the market. Impact, big horn, defiance, terminus, etc.
I think that when they came out the Surgeons were top of the line. But they haven't really updated anything in the ten or so years since I had one.
I think companies like Bighorn and ARC have really brought the bolt action into the modern day.
I think companies like Bighorn and ARC have really brought the bolt action into the modern day.
Really in what way?
They’re the same good quality. Most these idiots don’t even have one, but they have an opinion..
I've owned two Surgeon actions in the past, wished I had kept them.
At the time when PP was at the helm, when I called in I actually was able to talk with the man.
IME, QC depends on the standards set; the higher the standard the less chance of a "dud."
To the OP, hows the gun shoot that your friend owns that you are considering? IF he hasn't had any issues, then I see no reason not to consider it.
At the time when PP was at the helm, when I called in I actually was able to talk with the man.
IME, QC depends on the standards set; the higher the standard the less chance of a "dud."
To the OP, hows the gun shoot that your friend owns that you are considering? IF he hasn't had any issues, then I see no reason not to consider it.
Here is the problem. You can't use pre-fits (that I know of ) and are stuck with a 591 action or chassis inllet. So either you get super lucky with a used one you want or are forced to order a new one.
They are obsolete when compared with modern actions today.
They are obsolete when compared with modern actions today.
If Mike at TacOps is building his rifles with Surgeon actions, there's a good reason...
A nomination for “dumbest thing I’ve ever hear thread”
There are a number of profits and it’s a R700 footprint.
As for the OP’s question....their customer service is garbage now but if you can get past that, it’s still a great action that leaves me wanting nothing.
, oh the irony.A nomination for “dumbest thing I’ve ever hear thread”
There are a number of profits and it’s a R700 footprint.
As for the OP’s question....their customer service is garbage now but if you can get past that, it’s still a great action that leaves me wanting nothing.
Gunsmithing - Surgeon 591 in a Rem 700 stock?
I've googled it and searched it. I found so many different answers that I don't know whats what... I have a Mcmillan stock that I want to put a surgeon 591 action in. My stock is for a Rem 700. What has to be done to a Rem 700 stock for the Surgeon to fit... if it even fits at all? I've heard...
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, oh the irony.
Gunsmithing - Surgeon 591 in a Rem 700 stock?
I've googled it and searched it. I found so many different answers that I don't know whats what... I have a Mcmillan stock that I want to put a surgeon 591 action in. My stock is for a Rem 700. What has to be done to a Rem 700 stock for the Surgeon to fit... if it even fits at all? I've heard...
If you can’t work a file or rasp you prob shouldn’t touch guns.
It’s not a problem.
I bet you throw cars away when they run out of fuel.
And that thread is 10 years old
Yea nothing like taking a rasp to a brand new $1500 chassis or Stock. The paint job is going to look great as well as destroying any warranty it may have.If you can’t work a file or rasp you prob shouldn’t touch guns.
It’s not a problem.
I bet you throw cars away when they run out of fuel.
And that thread is 10 years old
Do you inlet with a dremel and a hacksaw?
The point of the thread is multiple respected smiths say its not a direct fit. The fact that there are specific inlets from all stock makers for the Surgeon actions is what we would call a hint.
Who is going to spend $4k+ on a rifle build and have to file it to fit. Might as well have a smith do a pro-job and its almost guaranteed they will start with either a blank stock like LRI does or order one for a 591/1086.
I've had to take a rasp, file, Dremel, or various other cutting tools to every custom stock I've owned regardless of what action they were inletted for.
Almost all modern chassis are hybrid designs that take a wide array of R700'ish actions including the M591s without modifcations.
Glass and CF stocks that are CNC inletted are usually inletted for very specific inlets matched to the proposed host action.
Some of the newer glass and CF stock designs from Manners and McMillan drop the top waterline of the action area to allow similar universal action hosting to the hybrid chassis designs.
......so.......no one is going to be stuck with a chassis that will not accept other actions.
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Thank you for the clarification Terry.
Does that mean the 591 inlet stocks we have seen in sale over the years like your KMW would be compatible with other 700SA actions?
Just look at the Bighorn TL3 and origin. Great actions. I had a rifle built on a surgeon action. I loved it. If I did that again it'd be a Bighorn TL3.
I just had a rifle built off an old surgeon action I had sitting in the safe. Once I finally get some time I'm going to throw a review up on rifle/builder. Fit and finish on the action looks great. I remember when they were the only game in town and everyone wanted a surgeon action. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one.
My Smith starts with blanks and can beat up your smith.
No.
Per my post above. If a fiberglass or CF stock has a programmed inlet machined to a specific action then that stock is pretty much dedicated to that make and model of action unless you want to modify it further.
So a 591 inlet is for a 591.
However, the IMB option on a KMW stock is pretty much considered a "chassis".
It is a hybrid design that you could interchangeably drop a M591, Defiance, Stiller, R700, Bighorn or Impact 737 into and run perfectly without modification....just like a conventional chassis with good design.
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To say Surgeon actions are obsolete is just BS I have a Defiance Deviant and a Surgeon 591 both operate great, no difference in the way they run really I like the Surgeon better.
You would have a heart attack if you saw what I did to my $2200+ JAE chassis...
This ^^ is a man I will listen to on rifles any time, day or night.
Thanks for coming in with some real expertise and knowledge, Terry.
Thats pretty much all I needed to hear. Thanks DevilDoc.
Look at Defiant. They got my money after Surgeon lost my loyalty.
That's a shame. Hopefully they rectify that.
While Surgeons are great actions, they don't seem to be too concerned with getting back their former market share. When there is so many quality options available these days on the action market, it's not a healthy business approach to just sit back and get complacent, sitting on a product that never gets updated.
Hopefully they sort their CS out, and it would be nice to try and see them evolve and get back some market share.
For all you guys that have stuffed your obsolete and broken Surgeon actions into your coffee cans of scrap metal, dig them out and PM me. I will pay a premium over scrap metal prices for them.
I have long enjoyed my Surgeon Scalpel 300 Win Mag. The 1086 action is smooth and it still hammers. Mine is an OK build from the days when Preston was The Man. I would say if you want a Surgeon don't be afraid to do it.
I have a Surgeon 591R that I won off a prize table 2013 in my first precision rifle match. That rifle then took 1st in the U.S. Army International Sniper Comp the following year.
Hands down, that rifle will go to my grave with me, she a mean bitch. I’ve seen a few more Surgeon’s over the years teaching and I’ve never seen one disappoint. I know that their CS sucked for a while and sure there are some pretty neat other actions out there but I’d say you’d be hard pressed to prove that a Surgeon action is “obsolete“.
Hands down, that rifle will go to my grave with me, she a mean bitch. I’ve seen a few more Surgeon’s over the years teaching and I’ve never seen one disappoint. I know that their CS sucked for a while and sure there are some pretty neat other actions out there but I’d say you’d be hard pressed to prove that a Surgeon action is “obsolete“.
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