Tax Revolt?

[Gregor.Samsa]

I've got to say that this idea has been bouncing around my head If the Leftists win steal this election. If enough people refused to pay would we be able to starve the malignancy of corrupt leaders and beaurocracies? Methinks this probably wouldn't work well as our finances are so digitized. Most people, myself included would probobly be too chickenshit to do this as well. But I can't help but think if this had enough momentum it could send a message. I'd hate to see essential government resources such as law enforcement, fire, military and education suffer. Just a daydream thought.

 

[Eli17L]

I have also thought that if everyone just put down 10 dependents and then started filing extensions that that would have to put the hurt on them.

 

[Gregor.Samsa]

I have also thought that if everyone just put down 10 dependents and then started filing extensions that that would have to put the hurt on them.

Exactly. Just some mass disruption of epic proportions to rock their world.

 

[clcustom1911]

We would need to have a movement of like 1,000,000 doing just what you said. But thats also, like, filing a false government document if you don't have 10 dependents..... only the poors have 10 dependents

 

[oneshot86]

and 3... 2... 1... someones knocking at your door.

 

[Jscb1b]

Taxes are revolting.

 

[Gregor.Samsa]

Taxes are revolting.

Yup!

 

[mrdrar]

They’ll just print/keystroke whatever they want.

 

[Redmanss]

I made six figures and paid zero taxes for nearly the entire Obama administration. All you have to is work overseas for a foreign company, spend no more than 30 days in the US a year, and either have two kids and a piece of shit non-working wife or get a divorce with a hefty alimony payment. Tons of tax deductions...

But a tax revolt? Yeah, let me know how that works out there Blade.

 

[Bender]

These never work.

it will take lead, not gold to fix this.

 

[Longshot231]

If the leftists steal the election there will be a white tax to pay for black reparations.

So remember to check "other" for race on your tax return.

 

[E. Bryant]

They’ll just print/keystroke whatever they want.

Correct.

The federal government doesn't spend tax dollars. It prints whatever it needs, and then removes money from circulation via taxation to control inflation. As such, it's impossible to "starve the beast" via some sort of tax protest.

State and local governments work differently, since they don't own a printing press.

 

[Bullfrog08]

Its all monoply money at this point anyway. They dont need our money.

 

[ChadChadson]

I've got to say that this idea has been bouncing around my head If the Leftists win steal this election. If enough people refused to pay would we be able to starve the malignancy of corrupt leaders and beaurocracies? Methinks this probably wouldn't work well as our finances are so digitized. Most people, myself included would probobly be too chickenshit to do this as well. But I can't help but think if this had enough momentum it could send a message. I'd hate to see essential government resources such as law enforcement, fire, military and education suffer. Just a daydream thought.

Ok, Wesley Snipes

 

[Gregor.Samsa]

Correct.

The federal government doesn't spend tax dollars. It prints whatever it needs, and then removes money from circulation via taxation to control inflation. As such, it's impossible to "starve the beast" via some sort of tax protest.

State and local governments work differently, since they don't own a printing press.

Figured as such. Bored at work.wouldnt mind starving my state though.

 

[E. Bryant]

Figured as such. Bored at work.wouldnt mind starving my state though.

If we all paid a few percent of our total tax burden to the federal government and the remainder to state and local government, we'd all have a lot more say in how those tax dollars are deployed. Pretty damn sure that the Founders would like a do-over on the Necessary and Proper clause

 

[Gregor.Samsa]

Ok, Wesley Snipes

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Based on my experience those that promote and even provide paid for seminars, books, and so forth are all compliant with their tax reporting and payments. In other words, they don't practice what they preach. I've seen too many people left out to dry over this con game.

 

[Gregor.Samsa]

Yeah I admit I’d be pissing in the wind line wolfing something like this. It’s more of an ideaidealist’s fantasy response to a government that is no longer even trying to hide its corruption and is generally thumbing its nose at their constituents.
totally stupid idea unless it caught on in overwhelmingly massive volume.

 

[Steel+Killer]

I have thought about this many times, problem is I don't think enough people would ever do it.

 

[Snipe260]

Just quit going to work. Every man for 3 weeks. See what would happen

 

[Greg Langelius *]

No. Stop right there, and do a reality check. All of these are precisely the responses that those who would destroy this nation are striving to promote.

Questions and ideas like this are symptoms of how effective their campaign of destruction against our Nation has become.

At the root of all these questions and calls for revolt are the underlying tweaks and twists in the framework of our nation, government, and economy that have been slowly and quietly inserted into our society. It's not a naturally occurring process, and it's skillfully manipulated to encourage frustration, discontent, and even rage into the very fabric of our lives. The threat this nation faces operates at many levels, and the most dangerous ones are the most subtle ones. It's called sabotage, and it works.

This is how the Globalists and the Swamp do their work. They have corrupted the entire social system so badly that it not only can't work anymore, it can't be fixed, either.

They say the system needs to be replaced. Well, if it brought us to this crossroads, they are right. But it's a crossroads, and we also get to control the new direction. That's where the real fight will be.

Their campaign is reaching its crescendo. It will require extraordinary responses, previously unthinkable responses, just to halt its infestation of our society; and that's before the restoration/improvement can even begin. They want the election to be a shambles, and if we make our moves, jump the gun before the elections, they win.

The election probably will fail. But that's not a disaster, it's an opportunity. The dust will blow; and when it disperses, we will need to be in control.

They are striving to destroy the rule of law. But what they miss is that the rule of law only protects the law abiding. When the rule of law fails, there is no law to obey, or to break. Further, all these unconstitutional laws they are enacting will then carry the force of bupkis. Take that for what you will.

We have a long, uphill challenge ahead of us; so prepare yourselves for the extraordinary. We will need to not only halt and fix this, but also recraft safeguards within our society so this sort of subtle self destruction becomes thoroughly discouraged. Nothing can be totally prevented, but the costs to do it can be made highly unattractive.

That's our goal.

It's a lot like a reconstruction. That went poorly, didn't it?

What we face right now is a direct consequence of how poorly that went. Perhaps we can do it better a second time around.

What we will need do is to go back in history and correct the outrageous wrongs that led to all of this. A such a point, protest will be pointless. It will provide an opportunity of a meaningful reset.

We began with being separate but equal. What we needed to be was one, and each unique. If you can live with that, so can I.

No system will ever be perfect, but it fails when it is systematically, deliberately picked to pieces. What a new society does, all it can do, is to bring us back to the point where that all begins again. What we are doing is not building a system for the ages. We are building a system that can last until we need to bring on the next one.

What the Founders did was build a system that gave the people what they needed at the time we were coming alive, and until we had our Civil War. But once Reconstruction became the law of the land, the seeds of its failure began ot take root. The Founders built what it took to get the job done, but what they failed to do was to include the parts that would allow it to last. People with axes to grind, lusts for power, and pockets to fill went to work finding out about how to corrupt it. They will always find a way, and the founders failed when they ignored this simple fact.

Right now we are all chasing our tails in frustration and anger. This is precisely what the deconstructors want from us.

Take a step back and say, no; I won't play their game by their rules. They want me angry, so I'll keep my calm. They want me to misbehave, so I won't do any of that, either. Our intended goal is to transfer the anger and the frustration back onto their shoulders. Let them grumble and fume for a change. Let them taste failure, bitter and dry. Take the unnecessary load off our government's efforts to restore the rule of law and order, and let them do their job. Step out of the way. Without the added burden of dealing with our own misbehavior, the Government is capable of getting that job done.

Greg

 

[rustyinbend]

I've argued twice with the IRS ... lost (big) both times. Now I just pay ... it's cheaper and easier. This would be an unwinnable fight.

 

[lariat]

Correct.

The federal government doesn't spend tax dollars. It prints whatever it needs, and then removes money from circulation via taxation to control inflation. As such, it's impossible to "starve the beast" via some sort of tax protest.

State and local governments work differently, since they don't own a printing press.

This is truth. This is why the velocity of money (transactions in the market) matter. With money flowing freely it can be increased and decreased as needed.

On a separate but related note, this is why you have monetary inflation - not to increase the actual paper money per se but to decrease the burden from previous debts. Today’s dollars are not worth as much as yesterday but since there are more of them it is functionally easier to pay off commitments. This is also why deflation is a destroyer of governments that choose the Keynesian school of economics - once you go down that path you are pretty much trapped by it. Only a reserve currency can fiddle with this the way we do, and even then there is a future that is to be reckoned with.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

I've got to say that this idea has been bouncing around my head If the Leftists win steal this election. If enough people refused to pay would we be able to starve the malignancy of corrupt leaders and beaurocracies? Methinks this probably wouldn't work well as our finances are so digitized. Most people, myself included would probobly be too chickenshit to do this as well. But I can't help but think if this had enough momentum it could send a message. I'd hate to see essential government resources such as law enforcement, fire, military and education suffer. Just a daydream thought.

Reviving an older thread from Sep 11, 2020.......... Gregor.Samsa
There have been a few Black Swans deploy on America since that date. Needless to say things are worse now.
Currently there is talk of worldwide food shortages. After a small amount of research I'm going to pull a number out of thin air. The US Government feeds 90 million Americans every day. If you don't like my number, I will use your number. Take it with a grain of salt.
The recession of 2022 is gaining traction. Gasoline at my local station is jumping up 10 cents over night.
There is a metric shit ton of Americans who are not working. I won't even venture a guess at that number. None are going hungry.
The main goal of our US Congressmen / Congresswomen is to get re-elected.
The printing presses at the Treasury department have been running at break neck speed. First a pandemic and now a war.
There is a toss up between Jennifer Rene Psaki and Jerome Powell.... Pick your poison. Not even going to Biden / Harris.
I see a slowing down of the $$$ printing presses as Congress faces re-election. Add inflation on top.
How is the US Government going to afford to feed 90 million people ? Where will the $$$ come from ?
The quick fix is to simply raise taxes. There are few laws against raising taxes. Those few laws will just be struct down by the Liberal Court system.
At one recent rally to cap property tax increases a State Senator told the crowd "It's a number's game".. Numbers game = Voter's
If voter's (Local, County, State, Federal) don't have the numbers. Taxes will increase, dramatically.
The 90 million American's will vote for the candidate / party that will continue to feed them.
Exponentially, the worse the recession.... The higher the taxes.
Comments ?

 

[lariat]

Reviving an older thread from Sep 11, 2020.......... Gregor.Samsa
There have been a few Black Swans deploy on America since that date. Needless to say things are worse now.
Currently there is talk of worldwide food shortages. After a small amount of research I'm going to pull a number out of thin air. The US Government feeds 90 million Americans every day. If you don't like my number, I will use your number. Take it with a grain of salt.
The recession of 2022 is gaining traction. Gasoline at my local station is jumping up 10 cents over night.
There is a metric shit ton of Americans who are not working. I won't even venture a guess at that number. None are going hungry.
The main goal of our US Congressmen / Congresswomen is to get re-elected.
The printing presses at the Treasury department have been running at break neck speed. First a pandemic and now a war.
There is a toss up between Jennifer Rene Psaki and Jerome Powell.... Pick your poison. Not even going to Biden / Harris.
I see a slowing down of the $$$ printing presses as Congress faces re-election. Add inflation on top.
How is the US Government going to afford to feed 90 million people ? Where will the $$$ come from ?
The quick fix is to simply raise taxes. There are few laws against raising taxes. Those few laws will just be struct down by the Liberal Court system.
At one recent rally to cap property tax increases a State Senator told the crowd "It's a number's game".. Numbers game = Voter's
If voter's (Local, County, State, Federal) don't have the numbers. Taxes will increase, dramatically.
The 90 million American's will vote for the candidate / party that will continue to feed them.
Exponentially, the worse the recession.... The higher the taxes.
Comments ?

There is a metric shit ton of Americans who are not working. I won't even venture a guess at that number. None are going hungry. Look at U3 unemployment vs U6. U3 is what is reported and everyone touts as the real unemployment number. This is not the case, but it makes the politicians look good.

 

[UKDslayer]

I've got to say that this idea has been bouncing around my head If the Leftists win steal this election. If enough people refused to pay would we be able to starve the malignancy of corrupt leaders and beaurocracies? Methinks this probably wouldn't work well as our finances are so digitized. Most people, myself included would probobly be too chickenshit to do this as well. But I can't help but think if this had enough momentum it could send a message. I'd hate to see essential government resources such as law enforcement, fire, military and education suffer. Just a daydream thought.

Law enforcement, fire, education are (or should be) covered by state taxes. Military - well of course we need to pay for all the 200K gender reversals. Or course.

 

[UKDslayer]

There is a metric shit ton of Americans who are not working. I won't even venture a guess at that number. None are going hungry. Look at U3 unemployment vs U6. U3 is what is reported and everyone touts as the real unemployment number. This is not the case, but it makes the politicians look good.

Respectfully disagree. There are people hungry. Good people. Through pride, ignorance of benefits, or maldistribution of said benefits. Just not the ones with the $300 Jordans and the newest I-phones.

 

[lariat]

Respectfully disagree. There are people hungry. Good people. Through pride, ignorance of benefits, or maldistribution of said benefits. Just not the ones with the $300 Jordans and the newest I-phones.

You misread what I said. We are in agreement.

Go back and look at U3 and U6 definitions. The U3 is hiding the people you are talking about. They are represented in U6, but nobody wants to recognize it. These numbers are so fucked with its impossible to really find out who is unemployed and under employed.

What Is the Real Unemployment Rate?

The real unemployment rate includes discouraged and part-time workers. It was 7.4% in November 2022, which was higher than the official unemployment rate of 3.7%.

www.thebalance.com

Let's unpack the latest jobs claims from the BLS (Hint: It's all lies)

Let's unpack the latest jobs claims from the BLS (Hint: It's all lies) - As with Obama's term, i feel it is necessary to actually examine the BLS report, a

www.tigerdroppings.com

 

[RUTGERS95]

flat tax, everyone has skin in the game

 

[n2ishun]

This is the kinda shit that will get the Hide in trouble with the Feds.
Be very careful about any sort of *getting together*, coordinating, planning, etc.
Them jackbooted thugs will seize the Hide servers for contrived laws, they will gladly make shit up so it works in their favor.
Think I'm wrong ?

 

[Hobo Hilton]

This is the kinda shit that will get the Hide in trouble with the Feds.
Be very careful about any sort of *getting together*, coordinating, planning, etc.
Them jackbooted thugs will seize the Hide servers for contrived laws, they will gladly make shit up so it works in their favor.
Think I'm wrong ?

Wrong?... IDK.... Perhaps a bit paranoid. Welcome to my "Ignore" list

 

[eastexsteve]

I've got to say that this idea has been bouncing around my head If the Leftists win steal this election. If enough people refused to pay would we be able to starve the malignancy of corrupt leaders and beaurocracies? Methinks this probably wouldn't work well as our finances are so digitized. Most people, myself included would probobly be too chickenshit to do this as well. But I can't help but think if this had enough momentum it could send a message. I'd hate to see essential government resources such as law enforcement, fire, military and education suffer. Just a daydream thought.

Consider that almost half of the "taxpayers" don't actually end up paying any taxes. Get a tax program like TurboTax and create a fictitious family of four with two minor children. Play around with the income levels, do the proper withholding on the W2s, and make sure that you take all the deductions and credits you would be due. You will soon see what I mean. Now, if the top ten percent of taxpayers would do this, that would cause some real damage. But, the IRS would have no trouble chasing them down.

 

[eastexsteve]

I've argued twice with the IRS ... lost (big) both times. Now I just pay ... it's cheaper and easier. This would be an unwinnable fight.

Don't think the IRS doesn't screw up. I've won a few battles with them. But, I'm definitely on their sh!t list.

 

[vinniedelpino]

Don't think the IRS doesn't screw up. I've won a few battles with them. But, I'm definitely on their sh!t list.

They screw up regularly and most agents have (at best) only a vague idea of what they're talking about. We're talking about a government agency where it's virtually impossible to get fired and anyone competent and/or ambitious leaves to start their own tax prep business after a few years.

The organization was a disaster prior to the covid shutdown. Post shutdown, it's an absolute dumpster fire. They don't have the qualified manpower to audit taxpayers other than the most basic returns and instead have made it policy to go after low hanging fruit.

There has never been a better time to simplify the tax code and implement a flat tax.