Thank you for your service....Poll

[Gunfighter14e2]

It really pisses me off to have to do this but, I have to straight up call BULLSHIT! on this. I hadn't read the whole thread last night. I just responded to it. The Army (miitary) full well knows that certain MOS's are going to be dangerous. It's part of the agreement between you and them when you join, that if you come out damaged, they take care of you, in part or in whole. And, since the entire military today is VOLUNTEER, it means that people coming out injured, or wounded, need to be taken care of. How arrogant of you to say people who served, then need help, shouldn't get it!

To me, this statement is like saying, "Thank you (fake), but fuck you." And, unfortunately, it's why I never get too serious about someone thanking me for my service. It's appreciated when it comes. But, very little has ever come of it other than a couple words tossed out in the wind. When it means something like helping your life take a turn for the better, then I will show gratitude to that person who did that.

One more thing, in your signature, you seem to have an anti-tax statement going on. I can't say I know anybody who ever likes paying taxes but they are necessary to run our country. And, they are Constitutional. Read Article 1. Section 8 of the United States Constitution.
Then read a little history. You'll find this country didn't and doesn't run itself. It takes money. And, one big reason we do have what we have is WE are the government and WE can make changes, and WE paid for what WE have. Both in Blood and Dollars.

I'll thank you NOT to dis any veterans who served and now need the VA's help.

You think what you like, I don't care. When you hold your hand up freely, don't whine about injurys the rest of your life about what happened to you!!! Drafted is a different story, you were made to go, that's different.
Taxes, laughing. I doubt you have a clue as to what you really pay/ed or what needless things it was/is spent on. Sounds like you have bought in the MIC 100%.

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

Maybe not, since draftee dad did 3 in rvn, and
Maybe not, since their son retired a Command Sgt. Major and only gets 95k....
Might b they think u disrespect them... and sons momma wants to slap the shit out of you..
You just never know.
Do you ?

How could I possibly know any of that?

My earlier response was satire.

 

[j-huskey]

@DevilDocAZ
I know, i should have added a smiley face...

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

@DevilDocAZ
I know, i should have added a smiley face...

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[sandwarrior]

You think what you like, I don't care. When you hold your hand up freely, don't whine about injurys the rest of your life about what happened to you!!! Drafted is a different story, you were made to go, that's different.
Taxes, laughing. I doubt you have a clue as to what you really pay/ed or what needless things it was/is spent on. Sounds like you have bought in the MIC 100%.

I can pretty well see you have ZERO respect for those of us who volunteered. Especially those now in need of VA medical care. I don't have to think that, your words clearly state that.

I'm not saying the draft was right in all it's different iterations, but if you served, then you served, period. If you were drafted, that doesn't mean we should give you the world, while we get nothing. You should get what you have coming and no less. But, you don't get more than we, who stepped up to the plate on our own accord.

This really brings to mind something going on in this country that pisses me off to no end. And, you are the classic example of that. Veterans who think they are above the rest of us coming out and shitting on other veterans for their own benefit. We, who volunteered shouldn't get VA care? Only people like you who were "forced" to go. Not saying you shouldn't get it, but reallty at the point I could give a fuck if you ever do.

I'm pretty much at at the "FUCK YOU" point with you. Again, you are the type of person who I can't stand who 'thanks' me for my service. You don't deserve to get to thank a veteran. Anybody who volunteered is stupid, according to you. And, BTW, the VA care you are getting is because we pay taxes. No one likes them, but they are necessary.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I'm pretty much at at the "FUCK YOU" point with you. Again, you are the type of person who I can't stand who 'thanks' me for my service. You don't deserve to get to thank a veteran. Anybody who volunteered is stupid, according to you. And, BTW, the VA care you are getting is because we pay taxes. No one likes them, but they are necessary.

Laughing, I never said volunteering was a bad thing I said, don't whine bag about injury's the rest of your life over what you held your hand up for. Those that think they should be special because they got hurt for what they volunteered for is the rub with me an I don't care who the fuck they are or who they think they are.
I could give a fuck about who did what when, as it's all a MIC game. One day you will wake up to that simple fact. View Ike's farewell speach, view JFK's an Ray-Guns speach on the same thing with a open mind, if you can but based upon your rant I doubt that's possible. Seems you bought into the game 100% an can't see the Forrest for the tree's. Don't you find it interesting how long the GWOT has been going on? That is by design, nothing more, in the end follow the money. LBJ raided the SS trust fund to pay for the V/N war dig into why he did that, I bet you'll rethink where your standing right now. I was stupid long ago by holding up my hand, but quickly learned it was nothing but a B/S money game. The last war we entered was WW II, an the only rule was kill the enemy by any means at hand. From Korea on there have been rules, ask yourself why, once your able to think clearly.

Edited, for the un-enlightened about the MIC

 

[j-huskey]

So......... A'loser' Milano calls for a sex strike, AJ's ma thumb n daughters go for it....
N otherwise unoccupied, got loose on the keyboard n started this.....

AJ, get a cat like 1J..... ok...

?

 

[Campguy308]

I think a lot of people are truly thankful. However, I believe many of them say it to make themselves feel better, or because they think they have to on Veteran's Day or something. For example, when Veteran's Day comes around, the Facebook feed will be chock full of Veteran's Day thanks memes, from people I know damn well have no clue about history, military, freedom, etc.

Then you have people like a guy I used to work with. He was in the National Guard back in the 80s for about 6 months, working in the States. They wouldn't give him Veteran's preference/status, so he filed and complained until they finally gave it to him, or something of the sorts.

Now on Veteran's Day, he makes a point to take his paperwork with him to every restaurant in town that offers free meals and drinks to Veterans. Eats and drinks enough for 6 people, then comes to work and brags about it. I am cautious about being critical of things like this, but damn....

 

[Threadcutter308]

Well, no......but in my defense the first time I did it, I was questioning my decision.? I was telling my wife the other day that I sure would like to say "Thank You, American Taxpayer"! Because in the last month I've had to have an MRI, Ultrasound, see a General Surgeon, and a Orthopedic Surgeon all at no cost to me through the VA. There is no telling what that would cost out of pocket, and I appreciate the hell out of it.

As a taxpayer, I'm glad as hell you did. There is no better investment of my hard earned tax $$ than in you and those like you.

 

[brianf]

I’ll donate, show respect and bring my kids up to show respect.
I personally think that’s the best I can do.

Had uncles in Vietnam, and grandparents in ww2, so I’ve been around more than one conversation
Never had a uncle cousin etc say “thanks”.
Some family would willingly tell,stories and others spoke about baseball.

Outside family I’ll say thanks if I think the vet is “looking for it”
But more often then not I’m hoping they can smell it in me
Never wanted to put them in a spot that’s uncomfortable

It’s a double edged sword though..
I’m on my couch with my family and these guys are getting tore up overseas.
I do want to say something.

 

[Frog05]

As a taxpayer, I'm glad as hell you did. There is no better investment of my hard earned tax $$ than in you and those like you.

I'm right there with @Threadcutter308, as a taxpayer I have 0 issue with veterans using all of the benefits that they have earned.

 

[Foul Mike]

There are a lot of ways to go on this.
I am a drafted Vet and attended the War Games in Sunny Southeast Asia 69-70. in the 1st. Cavalry Division E Co 5/7 Cav.
Am I proud of that? Fuckin A, Jody. I didn't want to do it, but I did.
Do I feel the draft was unfair? Fuckin A I do. I know who went out of my small community and who didn't. This
was before the Lottery and I KNEW who was up and who was down to go.
Do I know who was on the Draft Board in that small community that put the blocks to me and my friends? Hell yes, a bunch of crooked Cocksuckers, and many other people in my age group did not go but Partied in collage on Mom and Dad:s dime. Bless their hearts.
Did I exact a bit of revenge upon them when I got back? Ask them, I know nothing, other than they ran from me when I wanted to talk about my time in and it was not unusual for a racing motorsickle to visit them and hoe out their weeds in their flowerbeds in the dead of the night.

I am proud of what I did, the 1st. Cav Patch is on every bill cap that I have in honor of those who didn't make it to the end.
I will remember them forever.

I do not use my Vet status to get freebies other than a big purchase at Home Depot.
I pay for all meals on Vets day, I am no different than anybody else, and besides, I just came from the Bean Feed at the VFW or American Legion where I mix with others of my same ilk so I really don't need fed.

The Jackoff clerk where you used your card to make a big purchase tells you, "Thank you for your service." is only doing what they were told to do. FUKM

There have been occasions where my lunch was paid for by someone unknown to me and I find that to be a great honor.

I am known to "Pick up the Tab" for the table when I see Active Duty or someone I know is a Vet. It has happened to me too and made me feel humble. Those are the ones that you know mean it when they say"Thank you for your Service."

I was only a soldier then and am still one to this day. I took my Oath to my Country and the Constitution of the United States of America to Heart when Sworn in and will honor it til my last breath.

That is all I have to say about this. Regards, FM

 

[oneshot86]

3 cheers to foul mike

 

[Lapuapalooza]

I can’t speak for anyone except myself, and I will say I mean it when I say it. Hell, I even tell their spouses thank you for their sacrifice. I buy meals when the opportunity presents itself. I bought a WWII vet and his wife lunch at KFC once, and the whole place treated me like I was the hero. I was sure to point my finger to the table where the gratitude should be focused.

I am and will always be thankful for the service and sacrifice of our enlisted men and women.

 

[candyx]

So I go to Lowes with wife driving today my truck blocked in by sons car visiting. Get to Lowes and they have a parking spot up front for veterans, wife and myself both veterans wife starts to park there I tell her not to. I Sid they put that there to make themselves feel good and for projection. Said the same thing about people thanking us for our service. Told her people do that as in saying too bad you had to join the service and say it out of pity in their own minds... she disagrees and thinks people are actually thankful. Told her not to park in those vet parking spots.

She said to ask the forum Bain trust,

Truly thankful?

Secretly thinking we had no choice in life so they pity us?

Hate us outright and they mean “fuck you” when they thank you for your service?

Problem is that the people aren't taught Patriotism enough in this liberal society, they can't comprehend that someone is actually standing a post with a rifle to keep them free. Our society honors Hollywood and Sports Figures for entertaining us when they should be honoring Fallen,Veterans and Active Service Members more then once a year. I do say Thank You to Veterans , is it enough certainly not when so many have lost their lives so we can live like we do everyday. I haven't ever looked down on anyone for joining the Military if people do that then they don't deserve their freedom which these service members provide.
I taught my children from a very early age to respect Veterans and Service members and how import they really are. When we see on TV people disrespecting Military Members it boils are blood, we stopped watching football 2016. Didn't have to but we felt it would be against our morals to support something that was supporting our Flag and Troops.
It takes Bravery and Honor to fight , those who don't understand what that means are the ones we need to pity.

Thank You Both for your Service to our Country !!

 

[Sean the Nailer]

I think a lot of people are truly thankful. However, I believe many of them say it to make themselves feel better, or because they think they have to on Veteran's Day or something. For example, when Veteran's Day comes around, the Facebook feed will be chock full of Veteran's Day thanks memes, from people I know damn well have no clue about history, military, freedom, etc.

Then you have people like a guy I used to work with. He was in the National Guard back in the 80s for about 6 months, working in the States. They wouldn't give him Veteran's preference/status, so he filed and complained until they finally gave it to him, or something of the sorts.

Now on Veteran's Day, he makes a point to take his paperwork with him to every restaurant in town that offers free meals and drinks to Veterans. Eats and drinks enough for 6 people, then comes to work and brags about it. I am cautious about being critical of things like this, but damn....

With regards to the "Veterans Day" (up here in Canada we have "Remembrance Day" 11/11) and that is why my Signature here for years, has said to "Remember". It's not just that 'one day a year'..... but most people don't get it.

 

[Foul Mike]

Candy, All it takes is a puckered asshole and a will to stay alive.
Stay low and MOVE Fast.

 

[Lapuapalooza]

Candy, All it takes is a puckered asshole and a will to stay alive.
Stay low and MOVE Fast.

And the balls to put yourself there in the first place. Balls, courage, whatever it took, thank you.

 

[powdahound76]

One. I say it if the moment is right.
I dont struggle through a crowd just to shake a hand and say Thank You. That is virtue signaling like a red commie.
I prefer to do it quietly and personally so no one else hears.
I was raised that it is what you do when no one is looking that makes you the man you are. Not into showboat stuff.

Because in the last month I've had to have an MRI, Ultrasound, see a General Surgeon, and a Orthopedic Surgeon all at no cost to me through the VA. There is no telling what that would cost out of pocket, and I appreciate the hell out of it.

My only issue with this is how long you or other vets frequently have to wait for specialist referrals, proper testing, or the CORRECT treatment instead of a cocktail of pills to mask stuff.
The best for our men and women who served is how I see it.
We give everything to junkies, illegals, and lazy pukes (even those i am related to) but screw over our vets in healthcare.
And dont get me started on the ones who openly admit they fake their PTSD stuff for a bigger check......??

And yes, anyone with a combat or service related injury should get all care related to it for FREE on our dime. In a timely damn fashion too.

 

[Alphatreedog]

I've said thanks and meant it . I'm truly grateful for those who have either served cood i support of or actually hung their asses out . As for the one commenetor who said something to the effect of a civi would not step up I call bullshit . I know volunteer firemen who stepped up when cops were gettin their asses handed to them . I've seen people in my neck of the woods tackle an asshole who attacked a women with a razor knife . A buddy that stood in the middle of a highway with a road flare to prevent a dead pedestrian from being runover any further . I've stepped up and don't stand by . My family has contributed men and women in service of our Country . Do I regret not serving . Everyday . My Dad felt that three fucked up cousins coming back from Vietnam was enough . When I told him I was gonna ink paper and already did ASFAB I thought he was gonna beat my ass Biblical .
I have a nephew who is overseas now . Cousins who are active . Grand father gave up a commision because they needed a Chief Port Steward to load ships going to Russia and he knew the position . Same Grandfather had two ships shot out from under him going to Mermansk . Dad went in to the Stra8ghts of Formosa during Korean war to rescuse the Chinese leadership from commy Chinese . Had a Recon cousin in Lebanon who was not in th building by the Grace of God when it got hit .
My Dad's sister was a nurse in WWII and Korea . She as well as his brother are in Arlington . My one nephew was in Fallujah . He's funnier than shit and a big Motherfucker . He's so fucking big that when we would roll ( Jiu Jitsu ) he would effin just lay their and I couldn't do shit . I'd have to wait for him to attack to get him in anyth8ng . Anyways every know and then he will very soberly , deadpan c9me out with something that he equates to whatever is going 9n at the moment . Th8ng is its usually a graphic memory or statement that leaves everyone present speechless .
He came back with some issues .His sister , my niece is divorced from IIRC a guy who was Ranger Battalion. He and my nephew were friends . When he came back he didn't adjust to well and started bangin heroin . I'm surrounded by Vets . When I say thank you its1 sincere , reverent and solem . Just because someone came back doesn't mean that they're whole . And their wounds sometimes damage those around them as well . So qhen I say that I don't feel like I contributed I'm fully aware of the potential costs of the contributions . Oh I left out my cousin Tony . He's a Vietnam Vet that lives in the VA. Hospital in Philly . Yeah . Aware of all the. Costs and Contributions .
Allergies are acting up right now and Thanks for your Service .

 

[SilentStalkr]

Ok, this is my second response to this poll. Frankly, I’m not sure I can top the first one. However, I have to say this.

First and foremost, vet, active duty, civilian, burger flipper, whatever, we are Americans. People answer their calls at different times in their life. Some never do and that’s cool to. One thing for sure to point out is that not everyone that has served was in infantry or was a Chris Kyle or whatever. That doesn’t make them any more or less a hero. We all have talents and weaknesses. Don’t belittle the guy that didn’t join up at 18 years old and then because of other circumstances couldn’t show up until they were past the age or never made it in for whatever reason. I know a guy that wanted nothing more than to join the Marines after high school. However, his dad left and his mom had a disability and he didn’t feel like he could leave his mom and siblings and by the time he felt he could he was really pushing the envelope of being able to enlist. Basically, at 28 he didn’t think it was in the cards for him. I know for a fact he kicks himself all of the time for not being able to go. Again, don’t belittle those that haven’t. You don’t know what anyone is going through at any given time. We all have struggles and we should never hold that against anyone.

People join for all kinds of reasons. Some do it because they feel they have no other choice, some join for benefits, some join for pride and love of country. Whatever. It doesn’t matter. What matters most is those that show up when America needs it. I know plenty of people that have never served but I guarantee you, if America ever had a time of need, they’d be some of the first to show up. If you have served, then great you are part of the brotherhood of a select few. Wear that shit proudly no matter what you did, you showed up for your country. That’s something to be proud of and can certainly be encouraging to others. Think of the kids you may influence. You can be an asshole or you can take a moment and respect the courage that it takes some people to even give thanks because they don’t know how people will react. Be kind to your neighbor. It goes a long way. That kid may save your life some day. I’ll leave with this, most people would agree that the US Military represents some of the greatest people on earth. If you have served then you know. I mean everyone has some dipshits but for the most part...You are a leader whether you think that or not, something that should command respect and give respect. You aren’t representing yourself. Greatness is a choice. Lead by example. Be fucking American first and foremost. Somehow we have lost sight of what that means.

 

[Bullfrog08]

The original question is being asked in the wrong place. I mean, you are asking a question in a place where 95% of the people are country loving individuals. I doubt you would get the same responses in other forums. I have never been one to flaunt my accomplisments in life, I know those are mine and 99% of people don't give a shit. The ones that do are family or those that have similar accomplishments. I'd never have a trophy room........or anything that pushes my accomplishments into anyone's face.

I just read somewhere the other day........"How can you tell if an old gentleman served his country? He will let you know!"

While on this subject, something that I have never understood is why a Vet wears a hat that says "Vietnam(insert county) Vet", with a Veitnam(insert country) flag on it. Aren't they really a US vet, and don't you really want a US flag streaming across your head? Anyway, maybe this is another toipic..........

 

[Racer88]

One thing for sure to point out is that not everyone that has served was in infantry or was a Chris Kyle or whatever. That doesn’t make them any more or less a hero. We all have talents and weaknesses.

Great point. I admit to having been "irked" when someone (always someone who never served) tries to DIMINISH my service saying, "well, you were just a dentist, not on the front lines." Well... actually I was deployed and got "hostile fire /imminent danger pay." You see.... even though I was "just-a-dentist," I was on a combat ship (Operation Desert Shield / Desert Storm). If an Iranian Silkworm missile hits the ship, it doesn't discriminate which personnel will be taken out. The medical and dental teams aren't specially shielded from hostile fire.

We were the FIRST response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and were definitely being watched through crosshairs. Thankfully, we did not take any fire. But, we spent a lot of time at "General Quarters." And, I was reviewing my ATLS (Advanced Trauma Life Support) training! In a combat zone, dentists become trauma surgeons (and are trained accordingly). I was like, "Oh shit... I might have to do this!"

Mind you, I have never (and would never) compare the conditions of my service to that of an infantryman. I have nothing but the highest respect for them. I certainly don't consider myself a "hero," by any stretch. But, I do take issue with those civvies who know NOTHING of military service acting as the "arbiters" of which KIND of service is "worthy" of acknowledgment. Personally, I think when someone does that to me, it's to assuage their own "guilt" for not serving at all.

To be clear, the last sentence is not to cast aspersions at those who didn't serve. It's a personal choice, and I'm cool with that. But, when the odd "non-server" tries to diminish MY service... well, yeah... I'll set them straight.

Thanks, Silentstalkr, for bringing that up. There's a huge team of non-combatants supporting the combatants.

 

[Srikaleak]

It's all three but for different reasons.

1. I don't say Thank you for your service. I usually say thanks for making that sacrifice so I don't have to. I really appreciate those who volunteer so I don't get drafted.
2. I don't pity because you're poor or stupid. I pity because you may have witnessed some seriously traumatic things that I wish upon no one.
3. And yes, you make me sick. You, human who served in the military, are a constant reminder that we, as humanity, failed at some point. For now, you are a necessary evil. And I'll always be greatful that you are here to defend me and I'm happy to pay taxes to support you.

 

[M8541Reaper]

It’s always super awkward being thanked by anyone, especially other (typically older) vets. I don’t care if they mean it or not, it’s just weird.

But you better believe I’m going to park in the veteran parking spots at Harris Teeter because damn it, I earned that.

Side note, I’m a Dependa now so it’s even more awkward/hilarious when I get thanked by someone at Lowe’s/Home Depot when I show my Dependa ID card lol.

In all reality, who cares if they mean it or not? Either they are saying it because their employer requires them to say it or they are doing it to fulfill some personal need (be it pity, sincerity, or belittlement).

#YoureWelcomeForMyService

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

One thing for sure to point out is that not everyone that has served was in infantry or was a Chris Kyle or whatever. That doesn’t make them any more or less a hero.

The most important MOS in a line unit is the following, in order.
First an foremost, was the Medic/Doc,
Second, was the mortar guys, all of them.
Third, was the Cook,
Forth, was the Supply Sgt.

Those that tell you any different are full of SHIT.

 

[Racer88]

Oh, yeah... I just LOVE it when someone says (or implies) that the military is "just for uneducated / poor / desperate / etc."

Oh really? I'm a doctor, and I joined. Voluntarily.... right out of school. Not to "pay back" for school. But, because I WANTED to serve.

And, I've known some amazingly intelligent enlisted people. In fact, a smart young officer will defer to an experienced enlisted person (or seek their advice). The vast majority of enlisted and officers I met were top-notch people who joined out of a devotion to serve their country.

My best bud in the Navy was a "Mustang." Started as an E-1. Made it to E-7 as a Corpsman in EIGHT years. All the while, he worked on his health care administration degree. Then got commissioned as an O-1. That's when we met... at Officer's Indoctrination School. We both got stationed in San Diego. Last I heard, he's retiring as an O-6! Dude went from E-1 to O-6!

 

[Racer88]

The most important MOS in a line unit is the following, in order.
First an foremost, was the Medic/Doc,
Second, was the mortar guys, all of them.
Third, was the Cook,
Forth, was the Supply Sgt.

Those that tell you any different are full of SHIT.

Ha! In the Navy, we said, "You gotta take care of your hook-ups."

 

[eddie102870]

i didnt read any of the post but for me (i didnt serve) my son was in the Marines for 8 years. I'm truly thankful for all veterans service. I've seen what you guys go through. training and deployment. how it affects soldiers when they get back home from deployment. You guys are a special breed that we will all be indebted to. Its what makes this country great.

 

[____________]

I never say thank you for your service. I say thank you for your sacrifice.

Thank you for all the sacrifices that you made so that we didn't have to. Knowing your possible fate (Death, Divorce, Injury, Missing Births, Funerals, Mental Illness, Suicide, Birthdays, Aniverserys...etc.), accepting it, and still charging forward. No one in any branch of service is without some sacrifice.

Because of you, my family is free to celebrate our God Given and Constitutional Rights.

Anyone that served who gets bent out of shape when I say "Thanks" has every right to feel how they want. They've earned that. I respect it.

 

[lonegunman762x51]

I honestly do not give a shit who thanks me for what. Getting a VA rating is not a fucking crime either by the way, I see some turds here mouthing about that too. I did my time, 27 total years and the military fucked up a few things along the way. If you are so fucking tough you did not fill out your VA shit when you left, enjoy fixing that crap when you are 70 and need medical treatment.

There are always a few rants from some gutless fuck who never served a day, pissed at those who did. I ignore those losers as well. Not everyone gets to be John Wayne, my dad wanted me to join the Air Force because he always wanted to fly, so I set aside the 101st Airborne. I worked 80 hours a week for $1350 a month for years without ever hearing the words "thank you" from anyone, it was the Cold War. Try installing a 48- 5/64ths allen screws in -20 degree weather with your bare hands then call me back and tell me how easy life is in the Air Force.

I have plenty of respect for 95% of people who enlisted or got drafted. You did your time, your deserve the respect. Those people who sent their time trying to ruin the lives of their fellow service members, I still hate. Less than 1% of America ever serves a day in the military. I promise you the next war will finish this country. If you are waiting for a purple haired socialist transqueer, manwomen dick smuggler to enlist or volunteer, much less fight, you are doomed.

I'm pretty sure about 50% of the time, "thank you for your service" means FUCK YOU Trump voter. This goes back to the Al Gore election where Bush beat him in Florida, Al Gore ranted and raged against counting military votes. The Democrats work in nearly every state to discount absentee military voters, they toss military votes at a rate far higher than illegal immigrant votes. Obama's Homeland Security chief said all military veterans should be on "watch lists" as potential terrorists. Obama wanted to disband the VA because he felt, "they volunteered". The left hates the military, police and armed citizens,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,who the fuck will maintain order in their society?

I take the discount, because they offer it, I didn't ask. I applied for disability because they broke it and it is my right. I used my VA home loan because I fucking earned it. I paid into my GI Bill for college and used it to go to college, again my fucking right. I fly my flag because I love my country and if you don't like it, you can go straight to hell. Tell me again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,how you almost joined.

If you do not like being reminded you didn't love your country enough to serve, sucks to be you. Keep voting socialist and posting here, we love hearing how important you are and how you almost stepped up. It's right up there with your belief we should all be allowed to own the guns your party masters approve of.

 

[Alabusa]

I am not a vet but have the deepest respect for those that are. When I tell a vet "thank you" it is very much for real.

 

[MarinePMI]

Oh, yeah... I just LOVE it when someone says (or implies) that the military is "just for uneducated / poor / desperate / etc."

Oh really? I'm a doctor, and I joined. Voluntarily.... right out of school. Not to "pay back" for school. But, because I WANTED to serve.

And, I've known some amazingly intelligent enlisted people. In fact, a smart young officer will defer to an experienced enlisted person (or seek their advice). The vast majority of enlisted and officers I met were top-notch people who joined out of a devotion to serve their country.

My best bud in the Navy was a "Mustang." Started as an E-1. Made it to E-7 as a Corpsman in EIGHT years. All the while, he worked on his health care administration degree. Then got commissioned as an O-1. That's when we met... at Officer's Indoctrination School. We both got stationed in San Diego. Last I heard, he's retiring as an O-6! Dude went from E-1 to O-6!

Funny that you mention this; I was just talking to my twin brother (who had attended the Army War College a few years back as a civilian/.gov) about the education of the enlisted personnel. He commented that the Army had just completed a study on that very thing, and the result were surprising, and also not publicly released. It turns out, that when they conducted the study they discovered that the enlisted personnel, on average, had IQ scores that were 20 points higher than the Officer corps. Let that sink in a moment...

 

[Seed tick]

I pick up the tab. They never have a clue. Bunch of salty old fuckers around here. They don’t want the hand shake. Personally I respect the shit out of them. My .01.

 

[Diver160651]

It turns out, that when they conducted the study they discovered that the enlisted personnel, on average, had IQ scores that were 20 points higher than the Officer corps. Let that sink in a moment...

Did a Marine do the math?

 

[MarinePMI]

Did a Marine do the math?

LOL! Worse. A bunch of light duty, non-deployable, overweight Army Colonels. Go figure.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Your missing one option on your poll.

Forced/Expected polite remark like many other things these days people are so set on hearing people say.
(much like you would say "Have a nice day" to someone in passing without significant need for thought before, after or during.)

 

[Racer88]

Funny that you mention this; I was just talking to my twin brother (who had attended the Army War College a few years back as a civilian/.gov) about the education of the enlisted personnel. He commented that the Army had just completed a study on that very thing, and the result were surprising, and also not publicly released. It turns out, that when they conducted the study they discovered that the enlisted personnel, on average, had IQ scores that were 20 points higher than the Officer corps. Let that sink in a moment...

Hmmm.... as a man of science, I'd question that result (if such a study even exists). Not because it's an "enlisted vs officer" thing. Rather, because a 20-point IQ difference ON AVERAGE is HUGE. Such a disparate result is truly unlikely.

But, yeah... I knew some senior enlisted guys that really knew their shit. The CPO of my department was what I called a "Navy savant." He knew everything about everything! Plus he was funny as shit.

 

[Racer88]

Your missing one option on your poll.

Forced/Expected polite remark like many other things these days people are so set on hearing people say.
(much like you would say "Have a nice day" to someone in passing without significant need for thought before, after or during.)

I do believe some of them are "reflexive virtue-signaling." But, still... better than reflexive consternation!

 

[SilentStalkr]

I do believe some of them are "reflexive virtue-signaling." But, still... better than reflexive consternation!

What’s consternation? Lmao! I kid I kid.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Ha! In the Navy, we said, "You gotta take care of your hook-ups."

Spent time with Navy once when we got treated to 3 meals on the Intrepid. Must say you guys eat great, at least back in the 60's. Chow hall was spotless, damn near a 24 hr R&R for us. Your Doc's patched up a few or us an it was almost like being home, to some extent. Spent some time with the USAF as well, (TDY security gig) an must say the chow was on par with yours, but a least they would fly in a slit tail every so often.
They had some first rate Doc's as well, but some of theirs had tit's. That's not a deal breaker, between the two services mine you, depending what you had tore up.

 

[Strykervet]

I put truly thankful. And maybe I haven't said it, but thank all of you for your service too, especially you that came before an after me because I depend/ed on you now/then.

The ones in public that know you're a vet generally are. I've had tearful thank you's after 9/11, some serious shit. I went home from Benning before going to Ft. Lewis and EVERYONE treated me different, I felt like they'd have strewn petals at my feet if they had 'em. One guy spent all summer looking for a no-shit four leaf clover to give me when I got back. True story, still have it. I don't like it when the VA says it in place of "thank you for calling" or whatever because few of them I feel mean it. In part because a lot of them they are us! Nobody like being told to preach to the choir! It just kinda gets old. I do get a lot of genuine stuff. I have vet plates, those are very nice given most cops now are vets. I get vet discounts and use those, they save me a lot of money. My pet food store, they give a discount and when I just got this double foot surgery at VA recently, my buddy went to pick up 40 cans of cat food. He told 'em he was helping me and gave 'em my info and they gave me another 20% on top of that and it wasn't even a sale. I have a knife mfg., one of the best on fucking planet Earth and if I named his name now you'd for a fact know who he is even if you aren't into knives. Said call back when ready, he'd kick me a 30% or more discount on a nice knife. Was able to get deals on most of my shooting gear, rifles, parts and such. Some deals are better than others but I appreciate them all. And know I wouldn't need a goddamn discount had I not joined the army and got myself fucked up, so I appreciate not being left behind I guess, at least not all the way. I appreciate some businesses that help me make my money stretch farther because that's important when you only have so much coming in. I appreciate it when others appreciate a loss or sacrifice made on the behalf of the nation.

But what I appreciate most is when people remember people like Pvt. Bio Siale or SSG Juan Solorio, who aren't here to argue or enjoy any of it. Appreciation of the ultimate sacrifice so that it's not made lightly or in vain.

I wonder sometimes though about the guys that fell through the cracks... The homeless vets that are there not because they want to be. How can you thank them with hollow words? Sure some gave all but some gave almost all and live in a virtual lmbo and I'm sorry, but thank you's ain't helping.

When I almost died in 2017 from the foot issue I was in a room with another vet. He had just tried to end it via alcohol and somebody called an ambulance. He would've done it too, his liver is practically gone. He was just glad to be eating the horrible hospital food, and I have him all of mine. When my then wife showed up, we all talked and it was an emotional moment, he had some strong stories. He was in all tears. I gave that man $100, I'd have given him more if I'd had it, and my wife gave him her number and we worked on getting him some help and putting him touch with people and taking calls he couldn't. I told him that money was more than enough to get both a cheap room and enough booze to do the job in quiet, OR he could use it to try and get out of a hole, know he has friends and don't fear to call. Haven't heard from Shelby since the divorce, but he didn't use the money on booze and had a decent start going the last i saw him. His thank you brought tears to my eyes because i couldn't do more. Was I genuine? I like to think so.

But know there are no such things as altruistic events, all human endeavors have a selfish goal either direct or indirect. I won't go in Price's theorem here but it's true. Knowing that, I try to serve myself best by serving others best in their need, vs. taking, which is the opposite end of the altruism/selfish spectrum.

As for AJ's HD parking spot, well, HD is heavy employer of vets, so it wouldn't at all surprise me if a vet store manager decided to do it as a truly good thing. We don't have those spots here that I know of. And it's a good thing. Some vets don't have handicap parking, but really could use it some days. Hell, I feel EVERY store ought to have one spot up front for a vet that needs it (and if you don't need it, vet or not, don't park there).

 

[MarinePMI]

Hmmm.... as a man of science, I'd question that result (if such a study even exists). Not because it's an "enlisted vs officer" thing. Rather, because a 20-point IQ difference ON AVERAGE is HUGE. Such a disparate result is truly unlikely.

But, yeah... I knew some senior enlisted guys that really knew their shit. The CPO of my department was what I called a "Navy savant." He knew everything about everything! Plus he was funny as shit.

Have you talked to a few Army Colonels? A 20pt difference is totally believable IME...

 

[Racer88]

Have you talked to a few Army Colonels? A 20pt difference is totally believable IME...

Haha... Well... I think it was an Army General who unwittingly coined the term, "full-semi-auto" on TV, doing an anti-gun segment.

But, I've also met some E-1s "from the hills" who... well... elevator didn't go all the way to the top, eh? LOL!

I will say / claim this.... neither enlisted nor officer status is an indicator of intelligence (or lack thereof). Each type has both... dummies and smart fuckers. But, there are some dumb officers who think they're "all that and a bag of chips" and DEMAND "respect" from enlisted merely because of their rank... and that's a very stupid way to operate in the military. Likewise, there are some enlisted who harbor resentment reflexively towards officers. In the end, the respect MUST be MUTUAL.

A smart officer... especially a new officer... will figure out that the smart enlisted guys (especially those with experience) can be a HUGE asset, and leverage the enlisteds' knowledge without letting his own ego get in the way.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

A smart officer... especially a new officer... will figure out that the smart enlisted guys (especially those with experience) can be a HUGE asset, and leverage the enlisteds' knowledge without letting his own ego get in the way.

Had many like that, but some of the other end of the spectrum as well, most of those were 90 day butter bars. Had one that was told out right he would not make it past the next contact, he was walking cluster-fuck. Some 3 star relation but he was smart enough to shut up a follow until we got back, then quickly transferred out. The best past the wire we ever had, were battlefield commissioned.

 

[jrassy]

I got called a baby killer, I went 20-30 years without a thank you. I don’t need a thank you, the government thanked me twice a month. I volunteered so I don’t complain about shit. I think most people are sincere about saying thank you. We need more civility in our lives.

 

[Barneybdb]

A different perspective.......

 

[Barneybdb]

Some of you know that I was recently back in your country for 7 weeks, I was pleasantly surprised to find my veteran status recognized even as an Aussie (also senior status}. It did help defray the costs of many of our visits to museums, national parks etc and led to some long conversations with the staff at Air Force museums. When people thanked me for my service my normal response was "just doing my duty".