The Battle of Midway

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This is an awesome article that is clearly an amalgamation of the books it references. As it illustrates, "The Midway Miracle", is the myth. The battle was planned and expertly executed by some very smart and supremely calm men. That all of us know their names is what is not folk lore or myth for very good reason.

The Miracle Men of Midway

 

[diverdon]

I believe that Nimitz was the greatest leader of WWII. Perhaps the greatest American Military leader since Washington.

 

[pmclaine]

Should be mandatory grade school education.

 

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I'd be happy if they just watched the movie. One of my favorites.

 

[diverdon]

I'd be happy if they just watched the movie. One of my favorites.

Too bad Henry was not exclusively into anal sex, the world would be a better place had he shot the spunk that turned into Jane into her moms ass.

 

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Vic Hansen Midway Article
One of my favorite guys.

 

[Dougie308]

This is an awesome article that is clearly an amalgamation of the books it references. As it illustrates, "The Midway Miracle", is the myth. The battle was planned and expertly executed by some very smart and supremely calm men. That all of us know their names is what is not folk lore or myth for very good reason.

The Miracle Men of Midway

Joe Rochefort and the guys at Pearl were the bomb.

 

[Maggot]

Too bad Henry was not exclusively into anal sex, the world would be a better place had he shot the spunk that turned into Jane into her moms ass.

What a nice thought. You're so sweet.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

I believe that Nimitz was the greatest leader of WWII. Perhaps the greatest American Military leader since Washington.

Nimitz was a hell of a leader. And his appointment of Spruance right before Midway, when Halsey got a bad case of the Shingles and had to stay back at Pearl Harbor.... incapacitated... was a great show of leadership. Nimitz dug deep when he picked a relatively junior rear admiral Raymond Spruance, who ran the show at Midway. Spruance was a mere escort commander... not a air fleet commander. But Nimitz knew what he was doing... Spruance was junior, but he was aggressive, creative and a go-getter. Nimitz took heat for picking him... from those with seniority... who thought it was their turn for the glory.

But Nimitz backed up the choice... Told the 'senior' admirals to pound sand. In Spruance, he picked the right guy for the job. Spruance pulled off a brilliant ambush (of the supposed ambushers..). Yamamoto (architect of Midway) was a good poker player. Spruance was far, far better! And there was little luck... a lot of calculation... involved.

The observation that it was not a 'miracle' at Midway... or luck by the U.S. Absolutely right on, IMHO. The broke the codes. They set up an ambush. They had set up the Japanese. And when it came to inflicting some hate and hurt on the Japanese Navy... the U.S. Navy was in the right place, at the right time, with the right men and the right tools... by design. Not luck!

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Maggot]

Nimitz was a hell of a leader. And his appointment of Spruance right before Midway, when Halsey got a bad case of the Shingles and had to stay back at Pearl Harbor.... incapacitated... was a great show of leadership. Nimitz dug deep when he picked a relatively junior rear admiral Raymond Spruance, who ran the show at Midway. Spruance was a mere escort commander... not a air fleet commander. But Nimitz knew what he was doing... Spruance was junior, but he was aggressive, creative and a go-getter. Nimitz took heat for picking him... from those with seniority... who thought it was their turn for the glory.

But Nimitz backed up the choice... Told the 'senior' admirals to pound sand. In Spruance, he picked the right guy for the job. Spruance pulled off a brilliant ambush (of the supposed ambushers..). Yamamoto (architect of Midway) was a good poker player. Spruance was far, far better! And there was little luck... a lot of calculation... involved.

The observation that it was not a 'miracle' at Midway... or luck by the U.S. Absolutely right on, IMHO. The broke the codes. They set up an ambush. They had set up the Japanese. And when it came to inflicting some hate and hurt on the Japanese Navy... the U.S. Navy was in the right place, at the right time, with the right men and the right tools... by design. Not luck!

Cheers,

Sirhr

Qui audet adipiscitur

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Qui audet adipiscitur

I've heard that somewhere before...

 

[diverdon]

During WWII America had five star Generals and Admirals. Dwight Eisenhower, Douglas MacArthur, George Marshall, Omar Bradley and Henry Arnold were each five stars in the army. Nimitz in the Navy.

Years ago a professor challenged me to list the major important engagements fought under each of these men and then to list the balance of forces in each of those engagements and the winner. Of all these leaders Nimitz was the leader whose forces most often had to face superior enemy forces and destroy them.

An uncle of mine who fought under MacArthur told me that "MacArthur could single handedly destroy an division of friendly or enemy forces if they were between him and a Photographer. I took this to mean that he was a glory hound with little substance. I've never seen anything to cause me to question my uncles judgment. My Uncle also thought Nimitz saved a lot of soldiers by refusing to allow MacArthur to take Strategically unimportant Islands just to get headlines at home.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

. My Uncle also thought Nimitz saved a lot of soldiers by refusing to allow MacArthur to take Strategically unimportant Islands just to get headlines at home.

Except Peleliu....

A bad move for everyone.

MacArthur was a legend in his own mind.... I will say that his Inchon campaign was brilliant. If his ego allowed him to stop well short of the Chinese border.... we'd have avoided a lot of messes since 1951... Including Rocketman.

You know that his 'wading ashore' was filmed repeatedly... take after take... until MacArthur and his 'director' were happy.

Omar Bradley, on the other hand, was called the GI General. And was easily mistaken for a private soldier. A bit like Grant. All business... no pomp.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[ArmyJerry]

Nimitz got a lot of jar heads and dogfaces killed un-necessarily.

The lack of support by the Navy in the pacific in WW2 is the reason the US Army keeps a bigger supply navy than the Navy does. Am not a McCarthur fanboy but he is the one that killed more Japs than all the US Navy and Marine Corps combined.

 

[ArmyJerry]

If the Globalists that were already taking control in DC would have let him nuke china a few times we would not have had a cold war so stop with the what ifs.

Except Peleliu....

A bad move for everyone.

MacArthur was a legend in his own mind.... I will say that his Inchon campaign was brilliant. If his ego allowed him to stop well short of the Chinese border.... we'd have avoided a lot of messes since 1951... Including Rocketman.

You know that his 'wading ashore' was filmed repeatedly... take after take... until MacArthur and his 'director' were happy.

Omar Bradley, on the other hand, was called the GI General. And was easily mistaken for a private soldier. A bit like Grant. All business... no pomp.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[diverdon]

If the Globalists that were already taking control in DC would have let him nuke china a few times we would not have had a cold war so stop with the what ifs.

Perhaps, you remember something called the chain of command. MacButthead was not at the top. Truman was.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Yep the first to be usurpt by the lure of the globalists. Cost us 60k in VN and another 20k or so in Korea, not to mention the millions killed by he communists in their own countries. But that actually happened and is not a what if.