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He can put yaw cards up at close range and observe the bullet being out of balance at 5 yards in front of the muzzle.
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If you have a pallet staple a large target on it backwards so it's all one color and shoot a few shots through it at 5-10 yards and post a picture.
 
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He can put yaw cards up at close range and observe the bullet being out of balance at 5 yards in front of the muzzle.
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If you have a pallet staple a large target on it backwards so it's all one color and shoot a few shots through it at 5-10 yards and post a picture.
Bullet is surely not coming out correct from barrell as it also destroyed my brake.....do I still need to do that yaw card test?
 

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I'm going to stick with my earlier statement. I think the bore is stripping the outside of the bullet off so it isn't spinning them up. Too tight of a twist on a bullet that can't take that kind of mechanical load.

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Could it be function of both 1) tighter than normal bore/grove dia and 2) fast spin?

I have never seen such heavy copper fouling in my other 9t barrel which shoots jacketed. So I find your hypothesis around bullet stripped quiet plausible. CE has actually bigger diameter than even badlands, not sure how it will behave if I shoot it through the barrel.
 
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Could it be function of both 1) tighter than normal bore/grove dia and 2) fast spin?

I have never such heavy copper fouling in my other 9t barrel which shoots jacketed. So I find your hypothesis around bullet stripped quiet plausible. CE has actually bigger diameter than even badlands, not sure how it will behave if I shoot it through the barrel.
I've run the 300 lasers at 7.5 twist so you aught to be ok.

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    I noticed the Badlands being a softer copper leaves a nice signature on steel at distance vs the Warner FL. I can actually see my hits through the scope w the BL, splash is 3/4 of what the Berger 300 OTM leaves. I have no experience w CE Lasers so how is the splash at distance? We use hit indicators also but its nice to see where your hitting on the plate.
     
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    Yes run the yaw test and don't use a brake.



    The video shows the splash of the warner flatlines at 2600 yards

    That is a huge splash in dirt...I was told that solids make very little splash in dirt...but this one atleast looks very noticeable.
     

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    Sorry, i can always see the splash of a miss, i was referring to a splash or hit signature on steel.
     

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    6 w Badlands vs 3 Berger 300 OTM at 2315 from 33xc
     

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    2 Warner Fl 285 vs 2 BL 285 at 2450 if I remember correctly. Had some switch wind that day. Badlands, Berger no issues seeing the splash on target in the scope. Warners a different story. Anyone have a picture of hits on steel at 2300-2500w CE they can post?
     

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    The video shows 4 hits on a 118 pound gong and you can see how the bullet fragmented below the gong.
    The hits in the dirt all depend on how wet or dry the dirt is.
     
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    375CT .. and 50BMG.

    The 375Ct was with 390gr Atips and 379gr Berger Solids ( the 4 mosquito size splash's on the plate) ...

    50BMG 750gr Amax and 375Ct with 390gr Atips strikes are easy to see..
     

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    Looks like your have good accuracy w the 50 BMG, how far out have you made hits w the 50?
     

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    Harry, any update on your accuracy issue?
     

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    Quick Update (Details to follow)- I shifted to Cutting edge bullets and shot two diff types 1) 300 CEs and 2) 302 MTAC. Both shoot really well from the same barrel which for some reason could not shoot badlands. I am getting very consistent MVs and tight groups. Shot two diff powders as well and it seems that the slower burning H50bmg given ever more so better precision vs faster burning H1000. Will provide a more detailed update later...but want to thank everyone for their inputs. Seems the Badland bullets can be really really finicky.
     

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    I think your having bullet to bore diameter interference. How many BL 285 do you have? I will properly dispose of them down range for you :p
     
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    I think your having bullet to bore diameter interference. How many BL 285 do you have? I will properly dispose of them down range for you :p
    thanks happy to send them your way...sending you a DM
     

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    Seems the Badland bullets can be really really finicky.
    I'm having a similar issue with them - just don't want to shoot less than 3MOA out of 18" barrel but shooting tight in a longer barrel. But that's honestly been my experience with solids over the last 20 years or so - they're very finicky
     

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    I'm having a similar issue with them - just don't want to shoot less than 3MOA out of 18" barrel but shooting tight in a longer barrel. But that's honestly been my experience with solids over the last 20 years or so - they're very finicky
    Another update. The CS Lazers Gen 2 300 grain are shooting great. Proof is my 2nd place in latest spearpoint light ELR match on June 24. The solids produced wonderful splash in dirt and I had no issue spotting misses. I also feel the solids performed better across transonic range vs berger jacketed.
     

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    Another update. The CS Lazers Gen 2 300 grain are shooting great. Proof is my 2nd place in latest spearpoint light ELR match on June 24. The solids produced wonderful splash in dirt and I had no issue spotting misses. I also feel the solids performed better across transonic range vs berger jacketed.
    Nicely done. What velocity are you at with them?

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    Hello, everyone. I screwed on a 27" 33XC barrel and started testing for velocities and to find where it starts to get too hot. I used a 300gr rdf and these are the results. I have no idea how far from the lands they were but I made sure they weren't jammed. I also have some 300gr A-tips I'd like to try eventually.

    33XC N570
    106 Gr 2850 fps
    107 gr 2868
    108 2900
    109 2874
    110 2955
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    114 gr 3049
    115 gr 3078

    33XC H50
    116 gr 2833 fps
    118 gr 2888
    120 gr 2934
    122 gr 2993
    124 gr 3035

    I was wondering if anyone who's shot solids can help. I have some 285gr ICBM-2 from badlands I'd like to try. Does anyone have an idea or any experience with this bullet on where to start? The rifle throat is way out there and I'm going to have an enormous amount of bullet jump. I've never messed with solids before. TIA.

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    My partner and myself both shoit 33xc.
    He uses 300gr Berger and I use 300gr A-Tips

    He run his 300gr Berger LRHT with H50BMG at 3010fps using 118.2grs.
    I run my 300gr A-Tips using Reloder 50 at 2996fps using 118.8 grs of RL50.
    MY friend run his 33xc 300GR Cutting Edge Lazers with 107gr H1000 at 3000fps.
    I've not used N570 on my 33xc yet.9
     
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    My partner and myself both shoit 33xc.
    He uses 300gr Berger and I use 300gr A-Tips

    He run his 300gr Berger LRHT with H50BMG at 3010fps using 118.2grs.
    I run my 309gr A-Tips using Reloder 50 at 2996fps using 118.8 grs of RL50.
    MY friend run his 33xc 300GR Cutting Edge Lazers with 107gr H1000 at 3000fps.
    I've not used N570 on my 33xc yet.9
    what barrel length?
     

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    I was wondering if anyone who's shot solids can help. I have some 285gr ICBM-2 from badlands I'd like to try. Does anyone have an idea or any experience with this bullet on where to start? The rifle throat is way out there and I'm going to have an enormous amount of bullet jump. I've never messed with solids before. TIA.

    No direct experience with that 285s but I've shot the 265s and they were pretty picky about where they were seated (.338LM Improved 40). I wanted to shoot the 285s, but I seem to remember they needed a faster and less common 1:8 twist.
     
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    Hello, everyone. I screwed on a 27" 33XC barrel and started testing for velocities and to find where it starts to get too hot. I used a 300gr rdf and these are the results. I have no idea how far from the lands they were but I made sure they weren't jammed. I also have some 300gr A-tips I'd like to try eventually.

    33XC N570
    106 Gr 2850 fps
    107 gr 2868
    108 2900
    109 2874
    110 2955
    111
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    114 gr 3049
    115 gr 3078

    33XC H50
    116 gr 2833 fps
    118 gr 2888
    120 gr 2934
    122 gr 2993
    124 gr 3035

    I was wondering if anyone who's shot solids can help. I have some 285gr ICBM-2 from badlands I'd like to try. Does anyone have an idea or any experience with this bullet on where to start? The rifle throat is way out there and I'm going to have an enormous amount of bullet jump. I've never messed with solids before. TIA.

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    I have exactly similar results with a 7t. My barrel is 33 inches hence with 115 gr N570 I get around 3120 on a hot day (300 gr CE lazers). With 124.5 grain J50 I was around 3080. What twist is your barrel? If you have an 8 or higher twist, I would recommend going the jacked core route. In my experience the jacketed bullets shoot better vs solids uptill .375 caliber.

    I had also tried 285 grain ICBMs, but there was lot of inconsistency in those bulltes. I was getting 10-15 MOA groups at 100 yards. Seems the bullet was not binding properly. It even destroyed my suppressor and the brake. If you want to try the ICBM, I would suggest firing couple of shots first wihtout the brake. Similar complaints have been heard from other shooters.
     

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    Hello, everyone. I screwed on a 27" 33XC barrel and started testing for velocities and to find where it starts to get too hot. I used a 300gr rdf and these are the results. I have no idea how far from the lands they were but I made sure they weren't jammed. I also have some 300gr A-tips I'd like to try eventually.

    33XC N570
    106 Gr 2850 fps
    107 gr 2868
    108 2900
    109 2874
    110 2955
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    114 gr 3049
    115 gr 3078

    33XC H50
    116 gr 2833 fps
    118 gr 2888
    120 gr 2934
    122 gr 2993
    124 gr 3035

    I was wondering if anyone who's shot solids can help. I have some 285gr ICBM-2 from badlands I'd like to try. Does anyone have an idea or any experience with this bullet on where to start? The rifle throat is way out there and I'm going to have an enormous amount of bullet jump. I've never messed with solids before. TIA.

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    Hi. I dont use snipers much but have a lot of experience with 33xc, and solids as well.
     
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    I have exactly similar results with a 7t. My barrel is 33 inches hence with 115 gr N570 I get around 3120 on a hot day (300 gr CE lazers). With 124.5 grain J50 I was around 3080. What twist is your barrel? If you have an 8 or higher twist, I would recommend going the jacked core route. In my experience the jacketed bullets shoot better vs solids uptill .375 caliber.

    I had also tried 285 grain ICBMs, but there was lot of inconsistency in those bulltes. I was getting 10-15 MOA groups at 100 yards. Seems the bullet was not binding properly. It even destroyed my suppressor and the brake. If you want to try the ICBM, I would suggest firing couple of shots first wihtout the brake. Similar complaints have been heard from other shooters.
    I’ve heard badlands can be finicky but ur the only one I’ve heard have major issues with them. I shot a couple and they did ok but I haven’t given them an honest effort. Ran out of time and needed to get a load done.
     
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    I’ve heard badlands can be finicky but ur the only one I’ve heard have major issues with them. I shot a couple and they did ok but I haven’t given them an honest effort. Ran out of time and needed to get a load done.
    I have about 350 badlands for just about half price to anyine that needs them
     

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    Quick Update (Details to follow)- I shifted to Cutting edge bullets and shot two diff types 1) 300 CEs and 2) 302 MTAC. Both shoot really well from the same barrel which for some reason could not shoot badlands. I am getting very consistent MVs and tight groups. Shot two diff powders as well and it seems that the slower burning H50bmg given ever more so better precision vs faster burning H1000. Will provide a more detailed update later...but want to thank everyone for their inputs. Seems the Badland bullets can be really really finicky.
    H1000 will be better
     
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    I have exactly similar results with a 7t. My barrel is 33 inches hence with 115 gr N570 I get around 3120 on a hot day (300 gr CE lazers). With 124.5 grain J50 I was around 3080. What twist is your barrel? If you have an 8 or higher twist, I would recommend going the jacked core route. In my experience the jacketed bullets shoot better vs solids uptill .375 caliber.

    I had also tried 285 grain ICBMs, but there was lot of inconsistency in those bulltes. I was getting 10-15 MOA groups at 100 yards. Seems the bullet was not binding properly. It even destroyed my suppressor and the brake. If you want to try the ICBM, I would suggest firing couple of shots first wihtout the brake. Similar complaints have been heard from other shooters.
    It's a 7.5 twist.
     
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    I ran the 265gr Cutting Edge Lazers in my 33. I was running 123gr of RL 33 and getting about 3180 in a 30" barrel. They were accurate and seated with the seal band at the case mouth. I tried seating them out but hitting the lands was not reasonable to do. Twist rate on the Schneider barrel was 1-8.

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    I have exactly similar results with a 7t. My barrel is 33 inches hence with 115 gr N570 I get around 3120 on a hot day (300 gr CE lazers). With 124.5 grain J50 I was around 3080. What twist is your barrel? If you have an 8 or higher twist, I would recommend going the jacked core route. In my experience the jacketed bullets shoot better vs solids uptill .375 caliber.

    I had also tried 285 grain ICBMs, but there was lot of inconsistency in those bulltes. I was getting 10-15 MOA groups at 100 yards. Seems the bullet was not binding properly. It even destroyed my suppressor and the brake. If you want to try the ICBM, I would suggest firing couple of shots first wihtout the brake. Similar complaints have been heard from other shooters.
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    I have exactly similar results with a 7t. My barrel is 33 inches hence with 115 gr N570 I get around 3120 on a hot day (300 gr CE lazers). With 124.5 grain J50 I was around 3080. What twist is your barrel? If you have an 8 or higher twist, I would recommend going the jacked core route. In my experience the jacketed bullets shoot better vs solids uptill .375 caliber.

    I had also tried 285 grain ICBMs, but there was lot of inconsistency in those bulltes. I was getting 10-15 MOA groups at 100 yards. Seems the bullet was not binding properly. It even destroyed my suppressor and the brake. If you want to try the ICBM, I would suggest firing couple of shots first wihtout the brake. Similar complaints have been heard from other shooters.
    I have had no such issues with the Badlands bullets. They have shot phenomenal for me. I do have one question you said it seems that the bullets were not binding properly what do you mean by that statement? Also stated that you thought they were not consistent consistent how in your ability and your platform to shoot them accurately. I can confirm with 100% that their bullets are perhaps the most consistently manufactured bullets on the market as far as gain weight and run out.
     

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    On the ICBM-2s, is there a trick to seating them?

    Because I did some initial testing with 265s in a vanilla .338LM 1:9, seating them first close to the lands, then backing off bit by bit. Groups were atrocious, measuring in feet vs inches. I gave up on that after about 30 rounds, but still have a fresh box left and have considered trying them in a .338LM Improved 40 barrel. I only mention this because I've seen somewhat similar behavior with some other solids where it turned out they were really picky about seating (Cutting Edge MTH comes to mind).
     

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    I have shot about 300 of the BL 285 ICBM-2s in a ModBB 1-7.5 twist w n570. Load development was easy, easy to see your hits on steel at distance. To date the only bullet I have hit 3 out of 4 at 2315 on a 24x24 target. I will continue to use the BL 285.
     

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    I I have had no such issues with the Badlands bullets. They have shot phenomenal for me. I do have one question you said it seems that the bullets were not binding properly what do you mean by that statement? Also stated that you thought they were not consistent consistent how in your ability and your platform to shoot them accurately. I can confirm with 100% that their bullets are perhaps the most consistently manufactured bullets on the market as far as gain weight and run out.
    Below is link to thread on another forum where I have detailed all the issues I faced using badlands. The barrel shoots CS Lazers fine but with Badlands it was all over the place. I ended up with a destroyed suppressor and muzzle brake. I even shot the barrel without any muzzel break, diff loads, seating depths etc....but results were same. I concluded it has to be something with the diameter of the bullet for that particular batch. Let me know if you have an alternate hypothesis after reading this thread.


     

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    I have exactly similar results with a 7t. My barrel is 33 inches hence with 115 gr N570 I get around 3120 on a hot day (300 gr CE lazers). With 124.5 grain J50 I was around 3080. What twist is your barrel? If you have an 8 or higher twist, I would recommend going the jacked core route. In my experience the jacketed bullets shoot better vs solids uptill .375 caliber.

    I had also tried 285 grain ICBMs, but there was lot of inconsistency in those bulltes. I was getting 10-15 MOA groups at 100 yards. Seems the bullet was not binding properly. It even destroyed my suppressor and the brake. If you want to try the ICBM, I would suggest firing couple of shots first wihtout the brake. Similar complaints have been heard from other shooters.
    I am at the range now and I'm having the same issues with the 285s. My groups are are wild right now. Man I was really hoping it'll be ok.

    33XC 285 ICBM N570
    114.5 gr 3067, 3069, 2085, 3072
    SD 8.3 ES 18 avg 3073

    33XC 285 ICBM H50 123 gr
    2967 fps
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    There are traces of the bullets in my brake. 🥺
     

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    What barrel manufacturer are you and Harry running? I’m using Bartlein modBB 1-7.5 w 0 issues!
     

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    I am using K&P 7t Rt....I did measure every single ICBM bullet and almost all of them were half thousandth of an inch diff from CE lazers at their widest part. I forgot now, if they were wider or narrower.