They wanted equal rights - it looks like they are going to get it.

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I've always said that the question was not whether women have the so-called "right" to serve in combat but who can be compelled to serve in combat.

If the leftists want truly equal rights for women in the military then they should make them run as fast as the men, do as many push ups and pull ups as the men.

They cut off all of my hair when I enlisted. So they ought to cut off all of the womens' hair and make them conform to the same uniform regulation we have to conform to.

If they can draft fathers, brothers and sons then they should draft mommies, sisters and daughters.

Let's see what the feminists have to say about this.

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/all-male-military-draft-ruled-unconstitutional-judge-texas
 

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I'm not "anti-woman" but equality is based on the word equal. You can be equals in only certain aspects.
 

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I think Mr Cricks point is that he doesnt buy into the BS that the sexes are equal. So he doesnt agree with the ladies being included in the draft.
At least thats how I read it.

Guess i dont like the women in combat thing for a lot of reasons.

I do like the idea of a judge throwing this right smack in the face of libs though.
 

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"equal rights" means taking the good with the bad.

you cant have all the benefits without any of the responsibility.

they have compulsory service for both males and females in plenty of other countries.....im pretty sure women here can survive selective service

hell, i say we make selective service optional.....but you have to register in order to vote.....you shouldnt be able to dictate how the country runs if you arent potentially willing to defend it.
 
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If you actually really understand freedom & liberty, you'll understand exactly how wrong it is to allow the government to forceably take your childern on a whim to fight for the profit of some politician.

Anytime the draft was used, not only was it the "betters" vs. everyone else, but way too often it was also used as a club to force people to do & say exactly what the government wanted.

Send all the politicians to war first & put them on the front lines, then we can talk.
 

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i have no prob with women being drafted especially since we are all PC now, and yes i have a 10 year old daughter...

BUT i dont think they should be grunts/boots on the front line, and that will never change.

drivers, pilots, mechanics no issue as all, training is training

no to be conceded, but i weight train every morning for the last 20 years or so. not talking cardio and sit ups but weights.

a few of my friends are true power lifters (natural and steroids, im not on anything..was always scared,they bust my chops all the time) and some of their wives/gf's are also in very good shape, some natural and some not. a few girls are power lifters as well.

over the 20 years i have been around people like this in the gym i have only seen 5 maybe 10 women that i though would be able to drag a 200 pound man with 50 pounds of gear on out of a fire fight if wounded.

they just aren't strong enough. a REALLY strong girl can squat 225 for a few. thats what a kid on a high school football team does.

look at the girls that compete on TV doing Crossfit, most of those girls are taking PED's (i know a few, they really dont test at the lower levels which is why crossfit is starting to lose popularity, regular poeple just cant compete). they are at the top of the food chain strength and training wise and a properly PT'd 25 year old man will give them a run for their money.

i believe just on strength alone, they should not be on the front lines.

for the guys that were in afghanistan humping 80-100lb packs up those fucking mountains...how many of you guys know a girl that could keep up.

it slows and weakens the whole.
 

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If you actually really understand freedom & liberty, you'll understand exactly how wrong it is to allow the government to forceably take your childern on a whim to fight for the profit of some politician.
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this is why i think voting rights should only go those who register...as you are less likely to vote for a globalist, power hungry war monger if you have skin in the game.
 

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this is why i think voting rights should only go those who register...as you are less likely to vote for a globalist, power hungry war monger if you have skin in the game.
Nice thought, but history doesn't bear it out.

What I did like was one of Heinlien's story ideas, where to declare war or start any "actions" they had to do a public vote where everyone had to vote with their names.

If the vote passes, those who voted yes, were immediately called up to serve, followed by those who didn't choose yes or no & then lastly those who voted no.
 

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That sir, seems pretty genius. It is very equal.
Havent looked at it much to really have a full opinion though.

And you have to be registered between ages of 18-40 to be eligible to vote.
 
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Well if you are going to start shooting people because of the Selective Service you should probably consider a couple of alternatives. Move out of the country or do not have children.
If you support the government using force to compel servitude, maybe you should consider a couple of alternatives, like stop voting or move out of the country.
 

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I understand the resentment at the women's rights crowd, yet I must say that this is wrong. One of the primary purposes of a civilization is to protect its women and children. If you have a daughter do you really want a future president president like Obama to be able to take her and send her off on some unarmed peacekeeping mission to .....

I never had any respect for those who went to Canada to avoid the draft, but that is the past. Going forward when my kids get to be draft age unless they wanted to serve I would encourage them to leave the country before they were drafted.
 

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the flip side of that diver, if that same person knew their ass was on the line when a obama-esq president was elected....maybe she'd vote for a "trump" instead.

when you have a horse in the race you pay more attention to comments and actions

i do agree with you somewhat that during draft age if the country is not going the way you want it to and you see the writing on the wall..its your choice to leave if you truthfully believe you do not make a difference.

but not the day your number was drawn from the bowl.

suckling off the pig of the US and then jump ship (like vietnam)

thats cowardliness,
 
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the flip side of that diver, if that same person knew their ass was on the line when a obama-esq president was elected....maybe she'd vote for a "trump" instead.

when you have a horse in the race you pay more attention to comments and actions

i do agree with you somewhat that during draft age if the country is not going the way you want it to and you see the writing on the wall..its your choice to leave if you truthfully believe you do not make a difference.

but not the day your number was drawn from the bowl.

suckling off the pig of the US and then jump ship (like vietnam)

thats cowardliness,
Most women have brothers, fathers, and friends whose lives they cherish. It is unfortunate that so many (of both genders) cast their ballot for free crap.
 
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I understand the resentment at the women's rights crowd, yet I must say that this is wrong. One of the primary purposes of a civilization is to protect its women and children. If you have a daughter do you really want a future president president like Obama to be able to take her and send her off on some unarmed peacekeeping mission to .....

I never had any respect for those who went to Canada to avoid the draft, but that is the past. Going forward when my kids get to be draft age unless they wanted to serve I would encourage them to leave the country before they were drafted.
the thing is.....the majority of the jobs in the military are non-combat rolls.

sanitation, cooks, supply, intelligence processing, maintenance, ect......you dont have to be able to bench press 400 lbs to push a pencil around....yet those are still jobs that need to be done and play an important role.

like everything else exemptions can be made for mothers with children


but like i said before.....they have compulsory service for men and women in plenty of other countries and seem to make it work.......Selective service here shouldnt be a problem.

at the very least it will be funny to watch all the feminists recoil and struggle to think of excuses as to why they arent "equal" anymore.
 

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Look at the quality of conscript soldiers around the world, they are typically cannon fodder. And lest we forget, the ultimate job of any soldier is to close with, and destroy the enemy.
 

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They are not equal. Men are superior on every level except cooking and baby spitting outing.

I think Mr Cricks point is that he doesnt buy into the BS that the sexes are equal. So he doesnt agree with the ladies being included in the draft.
They are inferior. The weaker sex.

At least thats how I read it.

Guess i dont like the women in combat thing for a lot of reasons.

I do like the idea of a judge throwing this right smack in the face of libs though.
 
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Look at the quality of conscript soldiers around the world, they are typically cannon fodder. And lest we forget, the ultimate job of any soldier is to close with, and destroy the enemy.

“Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.”

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i have no prob with women being drafted especially since we are all PC now, and yes i have a 10 year old daughter...

BUT i dont think they should be grunts/boots on the front line, and that will never change.

drivers, pilots, mechanics no issue as all, training is training

no to be conceded, but i weight train every morning for the last 20 years or so. not talking cardio and sit ups but weights.

a few of my friends are true power lifters (natural and steroids, im not on anything..was always scared,they bust my chops all the time) and some of their wives/gf's are also in very good shape, some natural and some not. a few girls are power lifters as well.

over the 20 years i have been around people like this in the gym i have only seen 5 maybe 10 women that i though would be able to drag a 200 pound man with 50 pounds of gear on out of a fire fight if wounded.

they just aren't strong enough. a REALLY strong girl can squat 225 for a few. thats what a kid on a high school football team does.

look at the girls that compete on TV doing Crossfit, most of those girls are taking PED's (i know a few, they really dont test at the lower levels which is why crossfit is starting to lose popularity, regular poeple just cant compete). they are at the top of the food chain strength and training wise and a properly PT'd 25 year old man will give them a run for their money.

i believe just on strength alone, they should not be on the front lines.

for the guys that were in afghanistan humping 80-100lb packs up those fucking mountains...how many of you guys know a girl that could keep up.

it slows and weakens the whole.
An ex-girlfriend of mine (high school) is a power lifter. She benches over 300. I think she squats like 375. Glad she's an ex that I can still talk to in a friendly fashion. Watch some of her videos and decide for yourself if she could have kept up. Google Cara Westin.

On edit, her knees were an issue in high school so she probably couldn't do the ruck. Who knows?
 

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thats good weight for most guys as well, good for her.

if we had more like her there wouldnt be any domestic violence..lol
 

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We always have to be careful what we ask for because we might just get it. Women have pushed for equal rights for a long time and that is what they deserve but that means they should also get equal treatment. We will have to see how this gets applied going forward.
 
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thats good weight for most guys as well, good for her.

if we had more like her there wouldnt be any domestic violence..lol
Nah, you'd just see the roles reversed and more guys getting beaten by their girlfriends/wives. When women snap they can get violent, as most of us have seen before.
 

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I was drafted, was selected for the USMC, and served in combat. The Selective service was registering at 18, and selecting at 19. This was in 1966-68.

Selective Service registration is still in effect; my just 20 Y/O Grandson received his registration card just this past Monday.

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They are not equal. Men are superior on every level except cooking and baby spitting outing.
I'd suggest that you scratch the cooking part out of that. I know lots of women who can't cook worth anything and plenty of men that can.
Also most of the top chefs in the world are men.

That's before we consider that a man won "Woman of the Year"... So proving once again....

As far as the baby thing, we are stuck there. We really need to figure out how to grow babies in the lab as a backup plan incase we wind up having to do a full on Gender war of actual killing to not be slaves to the females.
 
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I'd suggest that you scratch the cooking part out of that. I know lots of women who can't cook worth anything and plenty of men that can.
Also most of the top chefs in the world are men.

That's before we consider that a man won "Woman of the Year"... So proving once again....

As far as the baby thing, we are stuck there. We really need to figure out how to grow babies in the lab as a backup plan incase we wind up having to do a full on Gender war of actual killing to not be slaves to the females.
Since you mentioned that: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072000/

An old movie just in case you have not seen it.
 

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Since you mentioned that: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072000/
An old movie just in case you have not seen it.
I haven't seen that one, I'll have to give it a watch sometime soon.

There is this other great comedy one that has a totally Not safe for anything title that you can't even say the name of the title as it will get you sent to the SJW gulags, but it's a great old 1960s movie about a race of highly intelligent super advanced humans with dark skin color that travel the universe looking for planets where men are oppressed by women and ridding the planets of the plague of women so men can be happy.

(The entire movie is full of rear end jokes from the name of their ship to practically everything else).
 

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Nothing to see here:


While there will always be some exceptions to every rule, is this a surprise?
 

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I've always said that the question was not whether women have the so-called "right" to serve in combat but who can be compelled to serve in combat.

If the leftists want truly equal rights for women in the military then they should make them run as fast as the men, do as many push ups and pull ups as the men.

They cut off all of my hair when I enlisted. So they ought to cut off all of the womens' hair and make them conform to the same uniform regulation we have to conform to.

If they can draft fathers, brothers and sons then they should draft mommies, sisters and daughters.

Let's see what the feminists have to say about this.

Full story here:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/all-male-military-draft-ruled-unconstitutional-judge-texas
As stated earlier: the military has become a jobs program, like education.
 

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If you actually really understand freedom & liberty, you'll understand exactly how wrong it is to allow the government to forceably take your childern on a whim to fight for the profit of some politician.

Anytime the draft was used, not only was it the "betters" vs. everyone else, but way too often it was also used as a club to force people to do & say exactly what the government wanted.

Send all the politicians to war first & put them on the front lines, then we can talk.
Read Ayn Rand. How are you free if you don't even have the right to your own life?
 

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*shrug* If you want to be equal to men, then shut up and be forced to sign up for the draft like men. Personally I dont think one should vote, until their asses are on the line like us men are. However I also think all age limits should be brought to the level of when the sign up for the selective service is mandated. Smokes, booze, guns, voting, etc. if you can be called up to serve, you can own a gun, smoke, drink and what not.
 

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"All adult men must register within 30 days of their 18th birthday and risk losing eligibility for student aid, job training and government jobs if they fail to comply. "

its been over 50 years but as I remember it "Register or go to jail."

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I believe there are many military jobs suited for women if they dont want combat jobs.

Maybe a couple years worth of national service stateside for all compulsory would help straighten us up. Pay about 50% of military wages sounds fair.
 

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Absolutely ZERO reason to have women in a combat MOS unless they can achieve the same PT standards as a man. It's not like there's a shortage of men or something.

When people start shooting at you, no one gives a shit if you passed some lower grade of standards or not. So why is it acceptable?