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Given the lack of variety in ammo availability right now, I'm thinking about getting into reloading.

While I realize there will be the upfront cost, I'm wondering what the financial benefits are of reloading. And, in the current climate, is reloading even feasible?

My current understanding is that a cartridge requires: a bullet, a primer, powder, and a casing (as well as the tools/process to put it all together).

I've found a source for some bullets I'd like to use for deer hunting, and am considering buying the bullets and loading them into my once-fired brass.

Will I see a cost savings per round if I reload? And even if not, are the components reasonably available right now?
 
Currently your biggest challenge will be locating primers followed by finding a machine. Dillon has a months long backlog Forester seems to be suffering the same issue.
As for cost savings … first there’s the matter of figuring out how many rounds you need to load @ what savings to pay for the set up. After that yes you’ll save money per round loading and you’ll have better ammo tailored to your specific rifle.
On the whole though I think you’ll find & most people will tell you that you won’t save $$ you will just shoot more.
 
Currently your biggest challenge will be locating primers followed by finding a machine. Dillon has a months long backlog Forester seems to be suffering the same issue.
As for cost savings … first there’s the matter of figuring out how many rounds you need to load @ what savings to pay for the set up. After that yes you’ll save money per round loading and you’ll have better ammo tailored to your specific rifle.
On the whole though I think you’ll find & most people will tell you that you won’t save $$ you will just shoot more.
Thanks for the info. (y)

Yeah, to me, the savings are secondary. I just want availability. But at this point, its starting to look like I'll need to buy an FFL from the ATF and start making my own... :rolleyes::sneaky:
 
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They are getting a lot of common calibers in stock.
You're way to late to get into reloading, wait about 5 years and you'll be able to find all the stuff you need in boxes at your local thrift store.
 
Given the lack of variety in ammo availability right now, I'm thinking about getting into reloading.

While I realize there will be the upfront cost, I'm wondering what the financial benefits are of reloading. And, in the current climate, is reloading even feasible?

My current understanding is that a cartridge requires: a bullet, a primer, powder, and a casing (as well as the tools/process to put it all together).

I've found a source for some bullets I'd like to use for deer hunting, and am considering buying the bullets and loading them into my once-fired brass.

Will I see a cost savings per round if I reload? And even if not, are the components reasonably available right now?
This subject has been discussed A LOT recently.

Reloading has a TON of benefits. It can, in the long term, save you money but it depends on what you shoot and how much you shoot. What tends to happen 99% of the time is people are able to shoot more for the same amount of money so they don't actually save money. But if you keep the round count over time you will recoup your investment.

For example if you found 223 match ammo in normal times they were going for $1.50 ish per round (at least several years ago). I was able to recreate and tune a load for my rifle for maybe .30 cents or under. Just to keep it round numbers say I was saving $1 per round of that kind of ammo.

In that scenario it would take an average person not very long to 'get back their money'. With other ammo it works too but maybe not as stark of a contrast.

However to your last question about components availability... the answer is hell no. They are not available hardly at all, especially primers. Getting in now thinking you will be flush with ammo is not going to happen.

For me I have rode out several shortages because when times were flush and you could buy primers and get a $200 cash back from the blowout sale I bought a bunch, or relatively a bunch. I highly recommend that anyone that plans on shooting a lot to learn to reload and stock up on components relative to how much you actually shoot.

Generally speaking I haven't bought store bought ammo in I don't know how long. I remember back when Obama got elected I had enough stuff to where I filled up the largest Igloo cooler flush to the brim with loose 9mm rounds. I had enough to fill it up again after that ran out. Since I don't shoot a ton (relative to others) it took me several years to go through all that. I also paced myself too. While everyone else was waiting in lines outside of the sporting goods store waiting for it to open so they could buy a box of 9mm I would go out with a small bucket and scoop some up and head out to the back yard to go shoot.

I also advise new reloaders that reloading is a hobby unto itself. If you are not patient and not technically inclined or a number of other traits reloading might not be for you. When people get sloppy is when accidents happen. A lot of people 'try' reloading but then find it kind of boring for their tastes because a lot of it is repetitive. But if you like reading, have a little bit of curiosity, have some patience and think it could be a thing (more than just "I got ammo now!") then by all means give it a go.

Components are in short supply now for sure. Equipment is as well. That means your press, dies etc are almost all on backorder too.

All that said over a 10 year time frame (or longer than that) I have had ammo when there was none to be found and I have overall saved a ton of money. Think about the costs of things over a long term time frame and don't buy all lower end stuff (just my opinion). If that's what you can afford then by all means go for it and it will work out. But if you buy 'better' stuff the first time it will avoid what happens to most people---buying 2 or 3 things when they could have just bought a good one from the start. It will be more $$$ out of pocket but long term...
 
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I just started reloading. We had gotten a Hornady kit a few years ago but with the cheap cost of ammo just didn't want to devote the time. Now I am reloading to preserve our factory load ammo, and try and learn a bit before getting into load development. If you are loading for hunting, a simple single press will work fine. Component availability is spotty (and expensive) but it's out there if you look. Best recommendation I can make as a newbie myself is research what a good bullet and powder is for your application (one of each...keep it simple), find the components, and get started. I have found the biggest (and best) investment is measuring tools to make sure the rounds are of the proper dimensions.
 
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Brenda and I sat down and computed the cost of loading 6.5 Creedmoor. Considering the cost of brass and prorating the expected life of the brass (but not counting the cost of annealing) we found that we we’re spending roughly $1.20 per round at today’s COVID/biden panic prices.

Berger Bullets are running at least $65 per hundred. Powder is running as high as $50.00 per pound depending on type. Primers are roughly $77 per thousand. Brass, depending on brand ( I was using Starline which is my everyday going to the range brand) runs roughly $0.74 per at the largest quantity. Depend on at least being loaded 5 times. Total cost per round, not counting time or amortizing costs of equipment is $1.19 per round. Hornady match ammunition runs $47.00 per 20 which is .$2.35 per round and Berger match ammunition using the same bullet listed in the loads above is $59 per box of 20 or $2.95 per round.

Typically I shoot at least 30 to 40 rounds per range day and try to make it at least twice a week. So at this total ammunition cost expended I could shoot on about 16 rounds of factory Bergers per range day or 20 rounds of factory Hornady’s per day. Yes, cheaper rounds are available. However, none is as cheap as $1.19 per round.

Three pieces of essential equipment. 1. A quality caliper. 2. A Quality powder scale. 3. A set of scale weights. An optional and very useful item is a chronograph. Note my newest reloading press is about 14 years old and almost all of my equipment is as old or older and still working properly. Also, these component prices are what had to be paid to find components actually for sale. They do not include any shipping or hazmat fees as the primers and powder were obtained locally but do include some sales tax. Your milage may vary, but these are actual costs excepting the brass.

You make the choice. Single stage reloading presses are available in gun shops. Not all the equipment a reloader would want is available in the brands chosen, but as always its the components that are the issue. Recently, I found primers for sale, powder for sale and bullets for sale. So, it can be done. And, unless one is seriously into competition, good range pickup brass or your own previously shot brass will work great to get started.

There are better folks at this, folks with more skills, so I am hardly the final word, but this is what I have found that works. If you really want to be a shooter, you need to understand what you are shooting. Tailoring your own is the best way to learn that.
 
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Thanks for all the input, everyone.

I found some Hornady ELD-X for sale (bullets, not ammo), and since I had been contemplating whether I should reload lately, I figured this might be the push that led to me taking the first steps.

I thought I might buy the bullets, and use my brass from the last range trip to load them into. I've got a coworker who might be willing to help me get started (if he has the other components available right now).

All in all, I see reloading as form of self-sufficiency (to some degree... still dependent upon supply chain, obviously), and that is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.
 
From what I have been able to discern, in general, the math is done is the thousands of rounds and the ROI is break even over 2-3 years and ~3-5k rounds fired . That is to say, you (re) cover your investement in capital and the various consumables, etc.
 
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Bullets and brass are the easy part. Primers and powder are a whole different story. Also, reloading is a hobby unto itself that takes time and patience to get good at. Also, you’ll spend more on reloading than you ever will on ammo for the same amount of shooting...there’s always more components, tools, equipment, reference material, etc to buy. But remember, it is its own hobby so of course it has its own costs. You wouldn’t expect to save money on shooting by starting to rebuild old cars.
 

Check out this ad in the PX...

Good start on a press.

You are in a great place to learn reloading. Welcome!

Sirhr
 
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I can say for sure, if you buy a set up today and purchase components from big retailers when they come available (and I mean right when they are stocked) you can basically pay for your setup in a couple of afternoons. Two days ago, I cranked out 200 rounds of 44 magnum. Would have likely cost about 500 bucks on Gunbroker and no less than 250 had I waited in line and gotten lucky at Academy. With recently sourced components and having already had the brass on hand, my component cost was $0.25 per round (Brass free, primer 0.10, powder 0.04, projectile 0.11).

That said, precision rifle components and reloading are a slightly different. That was just an example off the top of my head from my recent reloading
 
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I saved money when I first started but that was 45 auto which brass lasts forever and I was shooting tons. Then I got into precision rifle which I've spent thousands on low volume ammo. Now I think of it like hobbies. More than I've spent on scuba, but less than photography or my fun car in the garage. Auto-trickler v4 is my next splurge.
 
I'd recommend holding off until components are available. Secondly, why do you want to start reloading? Do you shoot alot? I mean alot. Do you shoot in highly skilled competitions? I mean MOA type shooting.

If you think you're going to save money by reloading, maybe after 10k rounds and then maybe not then.

Reloading isn't a convenience, it's really a tool for a craftsman.

Prices are very high and that's if you can find the components. Someone in another thread mentioned $60 for a lb of powder.

Do what you want, but right now isn't the best time to start.

Good Luck!
 
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I'm surprised no one posted links to the Dillon cost and break-even calculators...

All my reloading presses are 25 (Dillon RL-550B) to 40 years old (MEC shotshell presses). I have the same affection for reloading that I do for yard work... there are any number of things I'd rather be doing but I'd rather do it myself to my standards than pay somebody else to do it. Pistol ammo is stupid easy to load in bulk on a Dillon progressive press and my last approximate cost for bulk 9mm using polymer-coated bullets (far cheaper than jacketed, nowhere near as nasty as lead) was about 11 cents a round. I'm sure post-pandemic prices for components - for everything - are much higher.

My last calculated price for match-quality 6.5CM ammo was under a dollar a round even with Berger bullets but again that was pre-pandemic. I found a good deal on primers and bullets in January 2020 and stocked up, just in time. Already had brass and I found powder reserves before it completely disappeared.
 
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I'd recommend holding off until components are available. Secondly, why do you want to start reloading? Do you shoot alot? I mean alot. Do you shoot in highly skilled competitions? I mean MOA type shooting.

If you think you're going to save money by reloading, maybe after 10k rounds and then maybe not then.

Reloading isn't a convenience, it's really a tool for a craftsman.

Prices are very high and that's if you can find the components. Someone in another thread mentioned $60 for a lb of powder.

Do what you want, but right now isn't the best time to start.

Good Luck!
The cost benefits (if any) are secondary.

At this point, I want to be "less dependent" on a retail supply chain, and have considered reloading as a step in that direction.

Sometimes, I can find components, but not ammo. In such cases being able to reload would have been handy.

I do realize that the reloading community is stuck in a supply chain rut, just like everyone else.

Just trying to navigate this situation exploring as many avenues as I can. (y)
 
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