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The dude was effectively committing suicide by cop. Regardless of whether or not the domestic violence thing would end up being legitimate, kicking off a gunfight with a government agent is almost never a sound choice, unless of course continued living is not the goal.
The thing is no matter what the situation or how you feel about it. You will not win a verbal debate with a cop.
You also will not win a gun fight without cover, concealment and a weapon in your hand.
He thought he was quicker then the cops. He was not.
Idk. Fafo
You also will not win a gun fight without cover, concealment and a weapon in your hand.
He thought he was quicker then the cops. He was not.
Idk. Fafo
He made a few mistakes and it doesn't matter if any of us like or hate cops. First off, putting his hands on a woman. Yeah, I get it, not fair. Plenty of things in life are not fair. My brother went through a horrid divorce with his first wife, with whom he had his daughter. She was unhinged and even hit him once. By that time, late 90's, he had his black belt in Kenpo Karate and could have easily knocked her out on the lawn. He did not. He called the police and she went to jail.
Secondly, this guy brings out his rifle because he is not going to jail. Those were his words.
He already knew and intimated that he knew that reaching for the gun would cause a gunfight. And it did.
Suicide by cop.
If you draw a weapon on me, and it doesn't matter if I am a cop or not, I will shoot back. That being said, this cop did quite a bit of firing.
Secondly, this guy brings out his rifle because he is not going to jail. Those were his words.
He already knew and intimated that he knew that reaching for the gun would cause a gunfight. And it did.
Suicide by cop.
If you draw a weapon on me, and it doesn't matter if I am a cop or not, I will shoot back. That being said, this cop did quite a bit of firing.
This is a no win situation. In retrospect the only thing they could have done better is tasered him sooner.
Well, he did predict correctly He did not go to jail that night. He got to shove a woman. Then he got to die by making a move to his gun.Fixed it.
But I get it, a cop dead-named you during a brief interaction....
Why tazer him first and then start shooting?
Seems like they really wanted to shoot something.
But hey the woman got what she wanted, the man dead and her getting all the stuff.
Funny how other men are always happy to help women get rid of other men and then wonder why it happens to them.
Seems like they really wanted to shoot something.
But hey the woman got what she wanted, the man dead and her getting all the stuff.
Funny how other men are always happy to help women get rid of other men and then wonder why it happens to them.
Since the dawn of humanity....women have been the downfall of many 
Fixed it.
I tend to lean in that direction - however, because the way LEOs are trained (or serious lack thereof) they fall back on the little training they were given. The cop failed utterly in trying to reason, be empathetic. But again, they are not trained in how to level change and relate to someone else.
The best thing to do in this situation is let one of the other cops try before telling him they have to place him under arrest.
I am not taking sides here, I think it could have been handled a lot better than it was. The part I really did not agree with was the excessive force, that being unloading several rounds in rapid succession at point blank after taser deployment. Lil much IMO-
14:18 25-10-25
Makes you wonder if he had been the one to make the phone call, if the cops would have arrested her?
I have seen very one sided DV situations like this. Once a woman was beating on a man and he shoved her back.
She called the cops, he was bleeding from one of his ears, his lip, torn shirt and got arrested still.
This happened in New York though, surprise-surprise!
14:23 25-10-25
I agree with you on that. Not sure what kind of mag he had. If he carries a single stack, then he pretty much mag dumped on a guy being tased.
I have also seen guys shrug off tasers. I also know that several times I have watched an arrest video, they charge the person with a bunch of stuff that later gets dropped.
I also know that him putting hands on her and shoving is simple physical assault. I don't care if she called him and his mother every name in the book. Putting on the hands is going over the line.
If she put her hands on him first, then it should be game on.
You know Equality and all that stuff women proclaim...
Roger that - there’s additional footage from another officer’s body camera, offering a different vantage point.
From the exchange between the officers and the subject, they’re asserting that the mere perception of a threat was sufficient to warrant lethal force - but that rationale seems rather tenuous, IMO.
15:14 25-12-25
I’m a solid disliker of many law enforcement interactions and the many uniform hangers that continue to unfairly treat people, but waiting until the guy points the gun at you to be justified in shooting? Or the fucking whining about “he shot too many times”, Give me a break. Along with the “a woman was at risk and you did nothing” after action reports, I’m mag dumping into the guy until he stops moving. The guy was too stupid to stay alive. Domestic violence charges mean nothing until the verdict. This situation is “stupid got dead”.
In the testimony of the suspect, she did not attack or shove or strike him. She said something he didn't like.
I've seen people fight through two taser deployments. I've seen someone get tased and as soon as the 10sec are up, out comes a gun. And then there's how well the connection is made, one of the prongs or wires might not work, etc etc.
A working taser is a useful thing but it doesn't work like the movies. It's not a phaser set to stun, instant incapacitation.
I don’t disagree with any of that — if it’s a ‘him or me’ situation, I’m not putting my family through the hysteria of a “Daddy’s dead” scenario, no way, no how. At the same time, I would hope I am as trained as possible to avoid being shot or having to shoot anyone because that is terrible either way. Those that want to 'get sum' (no shortage of them) have never deployed or witnessed a shred of combat in their lives.
Here’s the kicker: the lack of proper training among the average LEO today is like a plague. When I went through contractor training in '04, we had an actual instructor from the Sherman Kent School of Intelligence (SKSI) and the National Intelligence University (NIU) who taught our class of 49 students Behavioral Change Stairway Model (BCSM) — essentially a five‑step framework: Active Listening, Empathy, Rapport, Influence, Behavioral Change. It’s the backbone of most U.S. crisis negotiation training U.S wide, and it’s something rarely seen in standard law enforcement training programs, which 'IMO' is a huge void in LEO training.
Agencies most often refuse to spend a little extra money to at least teach the basics of crisis intervention, prevention and de‑escalation training, leaving officers underprepared for real-life situations. Not to get political, but certain radical politicians that are constantly defunding police agencies are not helping with this. Its 'almost' like they are pushing a marxist anarchist agenda...
I have said this so more times than I can count - there needs to be federal training standard for LEA's that would require such training to be implemented into the agency's academy and regular training matrixes, bi-annually or at least annually.
This would save lives, both officers and those being investigated alike.
04:30 26-10-25
I see this statement, and others like it, often. Ill never knock a service members records or deployment, or discount that into anything less than what it is/was.
However, one does not have to be deployed, enlisted, uniformed, or any of that, to know and understand violence and combat. A uniform and/or a dd214, only makes you proficient in that theater.
Shit, I've been in more fights than likely all the cops, and most of the service members I know or am related to. Most people in uniform CAN'T fight; sure, theyre taught to, but then given a firearm and QI: "fight this", right.... their whole job is supposed to be protecting against confrontation
