May get a Rem 700 aac-sd chambered in .308 with 20" barrel. Y'all have any thoughts on this rifle?
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I think that whoever takes a shit in a shower at the local campground or locker room and leaves it layin there should be made to wear masers pissy diapers
They are a good investment for the foundation of a good build. The first step is to replace the stock, then the trigger. With those simple mods you should be on your way.
I have one for sale already has the cheap upgrades.. bell and carlson varmint stock older rem trigger, with factory installed aac51t 3 prong, and a badger knob only a couple hundred rounds fired..
If you have added pocket change go with the 5r with 20 in threaded barrel, already has a decent stock, and fit/finish just seem better..
Like said above read the reviews, etc they are a good base, nothing special. Easily upgraded. If you really intend to run a can go with a 16.5 and put it in a quality folder. would make a great compact truck gun.
If you have added pocket change go with the 5r with 20 in threaded barrel, already has a decent stock, and fit/finish just seem better..
Like said above read the reviews, etc they are a good base, nothing special. Easily upgraded. If you really intend to run a can go with a 16.5 and put it in a quality folder. would make a great compact truck gun.
Well that was helpful.
Traveler, first, welcome to the hide. As strike said you'd have an excellent foundation to build off of in the 700 action. Upgrade as the funds allow (stock, trigger, glass) and you'll have a very fine stick. Another good one to look at is the Remington 700 5R (in 20 or 24"). What's your intended use, paper/steel or hunting?
Ok. How bout a millet 6-25x56 scope. There's already one on the rifle I'm looking at. Decent scope?
If you do end up buying that rifle sell the shit outta that scope. I wouldn't trust it on a rifle. I had one for a very short time and by short time I mean 52 shots fired out of a SPS V. in .308 before it broke and had to be sent back to Bushnell. Took 6 months to get another one (which was sold to someone as soon as I got back from deployment). When I purchased that optic it was on a whim and no knowing what I know today. Buy once cry once, and read the metric shit ton of information people are willing to share on this site.
Save some money up and get some quality optics, if you absolutely don't want to spend on some good optics then I'd suggest looking into Weaver.
Also, use the search function on this sight and it will save you a lot of trouble. This question and similar questions have been asked a billion times and still seem to come up once a day.
Save some money up and get some quality optics, if you absolutely don't want to spend on some good optics then I'd suggest looking into Weaver.
Also, use the search function on this sight and it will save you a lot of trouble. This question and similar questions have been asked a billion times and still seem to come up once a day.
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And maybe put a little more 'thought' into the title of said thread. The only reason I even clicked on it was to see some of the 'thoughts' that would get posted. VJJ ...you never disappoint.
Most r700s are great guns. But the marketing team at Remington has taken a basic rifle and did the spin on it to maximize the sales. The rifle your referring too is just an SPS with a threaded end essentially. That said these guns can be very accurate if you custom load for them. But as stated to make the most of it you have to swap out the trigger, stock, and put on some decent glass. So that $1200 dollar rifle is really gonna be about $2500 to $3000 in the end. So make sure your willing to spend that kind of money.
Fascinating realization and applied to this thread I would suggest you wear a diaper on your head to keep the poo from coming out.
haha, just kiddin man.
This post is so full of retard I don't know where to begin.
What "spin" did Remington put on it? They've had no problem ever selling plenty of guns. They saw what the market needed and what customers wanted and built it. It's a faster twist than the other heavy barrel 308's they offer and threaded. They've sold the crap out of these things because it's a good idea, not because they did a marketing spin. Who cares if it has a crappy stock, you're buying the barreled action essentially and everybody prefers a different stock anyway. Their idea really was perfect. Look at the 20" threaded 5r... The AAC-SD probably outsells it 5:1.
And where did you come up with $1200 for this rifle? They're roughly half that. You can have this rifle setup in a good stock with a base and bipod for under $1K. Add to that your choice of glass and you've got a complete system. You don't need to "custom load" for it to get accuracy either, any of the factory match ammo will shoot very well.
LOL, take a deep breath dude. Perhaps you mis understand a somewhat complex sense of humor. Yes the "SPIN" rate is higher. Now do you get it? As well Remington has taken essentially one rifle and turned it into so many permutations that it's amazing, that is called marketing. Quite brilliant. So hence a double entendre! You know what that means right?
I'm not knocking R700s I have owned a many. Now if you want to really max that rifle out without blue printing then your looking at a $700-900 for a stock with detachable mag, a good trigger like a jewel $250, then some glass that will get you out too 1000 with clarity $1000.00+. Here in Cali the AAC goes for $990.00, yes it's expensive here, add taxes and fees. Even if it was $700 bucks your still looking at $2500 to get the most out of that gun. And to get that last ounce of accuracy yes you do need to do a custom load, otherwise your chasing match loads around until you get it right. I would know, burned through lots of money till I decided to custom load, got my Police 24'', LTR, SPSx2, and 5R all to sing after that. I'm betting you have lots of different guns where for many years I just focused on figuring out one, and that was always some variant of the R700.
Sure, you can just put any old POS piece of glass on a stock AAC with a simple bipod on, then use some federal gold. It will shoot just fine but it will leave you wanting for more and it will not be that comfortable to boot. But if that works for you then ok, I don't feel thats "retarded."
funny how the anonymity of the internet allows people to behave without manners and an inflated attitude. The OP was asking for thoughts and those are mine.
You're***
Not a bad rifle for the money. Like everyone else has pointed out, the stock and trigger suck, but nothing you cant change down the road once you feel the need. I say go for it.
Fuck it, I'll take another stab.
$990 for an AAC-SD... You're a fucking moron to even consider that. Thats not Cali pricing, that is just downright stupidity to charge that and think that's what they sell for. You can buy one for $657 shipped from buds and I'm sure even in calie you can find somebody to transfer it for $40 or less... That's under $700 for the rifle. That is just stupid to think $990 is what they go for.
You don't have to spend $250 on a Jewell trigger or $750 on a chassis to get it to shoot. There is nothing wrong with a $200 HS Precision takeoff or a B&C. You don't NEED a chassis with DBM to have a LR capable rifle, you need a good solid stock with acceptable ergonomics. The factory trigger is also perfectly serviceable and the Jewel would be my last choice for a trigger upgrade anyway.
Once again, there is nothing wrong with factory loaded ammo, it's not like you have to spend thousands of dollars finding the ammo your rifle likes, most good rifles will shoot everything well. The owner of this site shoots nothing but factory loaded ammo from my understanding and I'd say he does just fine. The reason most load their own is to keep cost down and because they want to use a specific bullet, not to squeeze the last bit of accuracy out of it. I've had a lot of rifles and I can only think of one that FGMM didn't shoot to the rifles full potential and as good as my loads.
You also don't have to spend $1k on glass to make it to 1000 yards. I've had people show me up using a $300 scope while I'm laying there with my $2k NF or $3k S&B, and I'm far from a bad shooter. Spending more $$ on glass isn't going to make you shoot any better.
You can have an AAC-SD ready to rock at long range for under $1300. For less than $2K you can have a hell of a setup. Your logic is so flawed it is beyond recognition.
LOL.
The added benefit of the threaded end will give you the chance to add a muzzle break, which will be nice if your going to be shooting heavy bullets. Those lighter bolt guns can get squirly and hop around from recoil.
I don't really think the op was wanting to know how good the gun was with 2k invested in it, or he would have asked what to do to it when it he got it. i'm thinking he wants to slap a scope on it and go. I have one that is in its original form with an added dbm I had laying around. it shoots just fine compaired to my other close to original r700's. at 500yds it shoots 1.5moa which is not great but for a learning gun or as a starter for a project its a great little gun for the price. if you search around I remember finding a post that showed how to stiffen up the stock, add a trigger and decent scope and your good to go
Well damn I didn't mean to start such an uproar. I would apologize to the guys whom I offended with my "ignorant question". But i'm not sorry for being curious about the sport you fellas seem to think you own. So i'll hold the apology. I simply wanted a respectful and honest opinion about the gun. Honesty-I feel like I received. Respect-well I'll just say some of you fellas probably should of had your asses handed to you a little more as a kid. Much thanks to the fellas that responded to me in an adult fashion, which was most of y'all. VJJ, cstanc70, phezzik, sledge, sharpsman-y'all can suck it, short barrel or not.
Traveler, a lot of these questions are asked and answered, that's the reason for the sarcasm in a lot of posts. The AAC-SD is one of the most popular choices there is for a factory rifle and there is a ton of good information out there about it already. I typically don't give somebody crap for asking a question regardless because a lot of times info isn't necessarily right in front of you and some people just aren't computer savvy. It's always a good idea to go to a subforum and go back a few pages though at the very least.
You are making a good choice going with the AAC at the end of the day. As I said in my post, you are essentially buying the barreled action so you can upgrade it as you wish. Sell that shitty hogue for $50 and never look back.
You are making a good choice going with the AAC at the end of the day. As I said in my post, you are essentially buying the barreled action so you can upgrade it as you wish. Sell that shitty hogue for $50 and never look back.
Traveler, sorry that you got slammed, trust me there are plenty of adults yet on the board who are more than happy to help. Sucks that you just ask a questions and get a bunch of dick head responses. Like I said many here feel that they can crap on you because they are not face to face, it's really the pussies that do that. And your assessment is correct, these guys don't own shit. Just keep in mind that they were probably picked on as kids and suffer from low self esteem. I hope you have better experiences with you next post, I'm betting you will.
Cheers
Sako
Pretty funny coming from a guy who said the rifle won't amount to shit unless you put $3K into it...
Hey, guess what! Found your profile picture, you look so tough with your hello kitty bag.
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Do yourself a favor and get a rifle thats not a piece of shit from the factory, requiring about 2K worth of work and upgrades to get it shoot like it should. That rules out remington and savage.
Start with a Tikka T3. It will outshoot a remington, with a better action (that is actualy true from the factory), a better barrel, better stock and it will be cheaper. Upgrade it as you please.
Or you could chase the same old, tired fucking dreams thousands of those before you have, wasting money on the wrong tool, taking advice of gunsmiths who very living is working on these rifles, and companies who's very living was made on making accsesories for said items. Followed by legions of drones who want to justify their purchase, ignoring the bad and focusing on shit that is not even relevent.
No matter how much money you sink into a 700, it will never be a Surgeon, stiller, ect.........they are what the 700 should have been.
Start with a Tikka T3. It will outshoot a remington, with a better action (that is actualy true from the factory), a better barrel, better stock and it will be cheaper. Upgrade it as you please.
Or you could chase the same old, tired fucking dreams thousands of those before you have, wasting money on the wrong tool, taking advice of gunsmiths who very living is working on these rifles, and companies who's very living was made on making accsesories for said items. Followed by legions of drones who want to justify their purchase, ignoring the bad and focusing on shit that is not even relevent.
No matter how much money you sink into a 700, it will never be a Surgeon, stiller, ect.........they are what the 700 should have been.
Yeah let's go full fucking retard and give him out opinion of an action he didn't ask about if Remington's were pieces of shit I don't think they would sell so many. If you've had that much trouble with a Remington 700 maybe it's not the gun bud.
It may never be a Stiller, Surgeon, ect but there have been plenty of examples on this sight where they will shoot just as well as the before mentioned.
I could care fucking less how many actions remington has sold. We could spends days talking about it, the military procurement, and why the 700 became so popular.........and I will win.
I am just trying to do what no one was able to do with me. Steer me away from the shitty remington and into cheaper, better options that won't have to live at a smith to get working right.
For the money of a AAC-SD (which is a waste of fucking money, its just a sps with a threaded barrel), he could have a t3 lite that WILL outshoot anything under $2k. It does not need a replaced stock to be serviceable (but you can find them), It does not need to be trued because the action is made correctly at the factory, It does not need a new barrel unless he will be shooting heavy strings... as the barrel is the same as on the SAKO TRG's...Just thinner.....on and on and on...........
I am just trying to do what no one was able to do with me. Steer me away from the shitty remington and into cheaper, better options that won't have to live at a smith to get working right.
For the money of a AAC-SD (which is a waste of fucking money, its just a sps with a threaded barrel), he could have a t3 lite that WILL outshoot anything under $2k. It does not need a replaced stock to be serviceable (but you can find them), It does not need to be trued because the action is made correctly at the factory, It does not need a new barrel unless he will be shooting heavy strings... as the barrel is the same as on the SAKO TRG's...Just thinner.....on and on and on...........
I think this may go down in SH history as one of the most negative threads yet. It's like the Titanic but instead of people trying to get into life boats they are having a brawl on the deck. It has literally brought out all the crazies at once.
Whoa!!
And there are plenty examples of those that don't. I would guess they far outweigh the ones that do. Maybe you should just say "Get a remington, there is a 1/100 chance you get one that will shoot well from the factory, and a 1/5 chance that after you spend more that a new TRG or AE would cost, it might shoot as well"
This sport is not for the budget minded. Quality gear costs money. The most important aspect, is training and practice.......which will quickly outcost a rifle and gear setup.
So unless you want to buy a cheap rifle to hang on a wall or show to your friends..........whats the point of a budget build? Can't afford a decent gun how can you afford to shoot it?
In the end, you will spend more on cheap gear and not be able to get out anywhere near what you have into it.
Let me tell you something Cobracutter. I have a Remington 700 aac-sd with a timney trigger, an AI 1.5 chassis, etc. And I agree with everything your (you're**) sayin'. I shoulda bought a T3. (But I'm still happy with the 700 AAC-SD because I got a great deal on it.)
God, I clicked on this thread thinking there might be some titties on here, and damn!
You can save your money on the rifle and use your budget on ammo then upgrade as your budget allows which I'm sure was this guys plan till you guys shit all over his plans with negativity.
700 actions are junk? thats a new one to me, guess I don't live where it rains titties and dollar bills
Somebody needs to let all the branches of the military know that the peanut gallery has spoken. R700 actions are now garbage and the clones based off them with a few upgrades is the only thing that works... Never mind that you can do the same thing to a Remington action, they suck now.
I blame the recent retardation on you for the lemonparty link, it's creating a full retard meltdown.
Any time cobracutter gets on a thread you can expect a bashing if its something that he doesn't like. Once you've been around long enough and read enough threads you will learn that.
Traveler, I meant no disrespect, and I apologize for coming across the way I did. However, this question is asked about once a week it seems like. And its been discussed so much that you can flip through the first two pages of threads and you'll see all sorts of posts. I just get tired in general of this forum just being redundant. I've been a member here for the last 6 years and it's always the same thing, over and over.
For an answer to your question, as gunsmith who's worked on everything from Savages to Surgeons, I can confidently tell you that the 700 AAC-SD is a fine rifle for the price, and hard to beat. You don't even have to replace the stock or trigger to make it accurate. I have shot many that shoot sub MOA (around 3/4) at 100 yards with a good scope and Federal GMM 175 gr SMK's or Hornady Superformance 168 gr. The last course i went to, my partner was shooting a bone stock AAC-SD with a 6.5-20x50 MK4 and Hornady Superformance 168's and got a cold bore t-zone hit at 1000 yards. It's not always about equipment. I would say its about technique and practice, and the 700 is a fine rifle to learn with.
Traveler, I meant no disrespect, and I apologize for coming across the way I did. However, this question is asked about once a week it seems like. And its been discussed so much that you can flip through the first two pages of threads and you'll see all sorts of posts. I just get tired in general of this forum just being redundant. I've been a member here for the last 6 years and it's always the same thing, over and over.
For an answer to your question, as gunsmith who's worked on everything from Savages to Surgeons, I can confidently tell you that the 700 AAC-SD is a fine rifle for the price, and hard to beat. You don't even have to replace the stock or trigger to make it accurate. I have shot many that shoot sub MOA (around 3/4) at 100 yards with a good scope and Federal GMM 175 gr SMK's or Hornady Superformance 168 gr. The last course i went to, my partner was shooting a bone stock AAC-SD with a 6.5-20x50 MK4 and Hornady Superformance 168's and got a cold bore t-zone hit at 1000 yards. It's not always about equipment. I would say its about technique and practice, and the 700 is a fine rifle to learn with.
I think this is pretty fucking retarded right here. Shooting down a R700 platform but suggesting a hunting rifle with a lightweight barrel? What are you smoking?
Is a T3 accurate? You bet your ass. Are most Remington's just as accurate? Yes. I have both and have had several more of both. The only Tikka I have left that sees target use is a 223 I had reamed out to 223AI. Really the only reason I still have it is they're the only game in town for a 1:8 twist 223. I would much rather have something else with a better stock, better mags, more aftermarket support, and a bit more weight (not for recoil but so the gun doesn't move all around while you're working the bolt, etc). The stock sucks as far as ergonomics compared to 90% of the aftermarket ones for R700's and is Tupperware. It floats the barrel though so it is serviceable. The bottom metal and mag system plain sucks sucks as far as I'm concerned, none of mine have fed smoothly, they all have fed reliably but rough. The trigger is pretty good, action is somewhat slick but has a good bit of slop and just feels cheap, the 60 degree bolt throw is nice though. The rifle is an ok hunting rifle but as far as a target rifle falls way short, the 308 I had pushed me around way too much to use it for much more than some practice, and hunting, and my 25-06 is the same way. They have virtually no aftermarket support either, and they need it. When there is a problem or something breaks it has to go back to berretta who has some of the worst service i had experienced. If Remy, Weatherby, Howa, or Winchester ever offers a 1:8" 223 I will be buying it.
Aside from the complete rifles, if I was building a rifle from scratch and actions had equal aftermarket support Tikka wouldn't even be in my top 25 choices for an action to build with. A couple Sako's would assuming equal aftermarket support and you guessed it, Remington would be in the list and about in the middle.
If you want a decent lightweight hunting rifle that will print some impressive 3 shot groups for your buddies, buy a T3 Lite. If you want a plain Jane factory target rifle with a Tupperware stock and virtually no aftermarket support, buy T3 Varmint, or Scout if you can find one.
If you want a target rifle that you can make to fit you and order pretty much any stock or bottom metal combo and have it by the end of the week, buy a Remington. You can buy stock after stock to try different setups and sell them and lose little to nothing to move to the next because of the demand. If you break something there are Remington parts everywhere all over the country, chances are you can find what you need within an hour of your home and won't even need to make an order. There is a gunsmith in every town that works on them and it's not because they're pieces of crap and need work, it's because they are great platforms to build on. Are they on par with a custom action? No but they can be for about the same cost, and the tikka can't. I have an AI AX and I'm not missing much when I move over to my basic 700P... Thats going from a $6500 factory rifle to a $900 factory rifle... I don't feel the same way when shooting my T3 223AI, not at the least.
Do I need to go on as to why the 700 action is a better platform?
Whiskey, your the least problem with this thread. I happen to agree with you.
Cheers!
My Last Remington was a 5R and once I found it's sweet spot with some custom loads it turned into a consistent 0.5 MOA gun, actually shooting better than 0.5 on many occasions. I have never had a hard time smacking steel out to 1200 with any of my Remingtons. They have been reliable and accurate with a little bit of work. Good starter guns that you can build your skills upon. Are they Sakos, nope, but at 1/3 the price it's hard to complain.
As they say pictures don't lie.
As they say pictures don't lie.
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Traveler. I owe you an apology. You start a thread with a one word question as the title and follow it with two sentences and it turns into this. You're a genius. Good luck with your "piece of shit" that you overpaid for.
I'm kidding you on one part. Welcome to the Hide.
I'm kidding you on one part. Welcome to the Hide.
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