370k votes rejected in PA
370K Pennsylvania mail-in ballot applications rejected: Report
Many residents may have mistakenly sent in more than one ballot request.
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Well, here’s a database of over a thousand cases of election fraud. What would a centrist say if 3/4 of those benefited one side? Would a centrist conclude one side is a multitude more corrupt than the other? If it was 90%, would a centrist look at that differential as telling and compelling?
Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation
Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.www.heritage.org
2020 Election: Over One Million Ineligible Persons Registered to Vote in California
/PRNewswire/ -- A review of California's statewide voter database shows that 13 counties have more registered voters than eligible citizens-- totaling over 1...www.prnewswire.com
One million fraudulent votes, in a state with 55 electoral votes?! I would suggest that moves the needle on a national level.
How about the Project Veritas videos released in 2016? In which a DNC leader admits to large scale busing and election fraud over the last 50 years. In fact, he thinks they’ve made such a mockery of the election process that he’s considered changing affiliation.
Or how about this analysis?
Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016
Media Bias: Not surprisingly, the media take seriously and support Jill Stein's and Hillary Clinton's excellent vote-recount adventure, despite there being no indication a recount is needed. Heck, even President... Read Morewww.investors.com
The problem is the whole concept of being a "Single Issue Voter". Yes ... I 'm a 2A advocate. I'm also a fan of many other things that are antithetical to the current President personally and policy-wise. At what point does an isolated advocacy become SO important, that it offsets complete and total socio-economic and ethical disagreement with literally "everything else" about a particular candidate? I vote on a preponderance of my advocacies ... not on a single consuming issue. I realize I'm in the wrong forum for that perspective to be embraced, but I'm encouraged by the fact that the glory of democracy is when people of good conscience and righteous intent, can disagree in civil discourse, remain friends, and participate fully in that democracy.Sadly, I think he made up his mind. Someone hinted at him voting for Biden to. Not sure if that’s true or not. I hope not. I don’t see how you can profess to be a 2A advocate and vote Biden. At any rate, he probably won’t come back to read this...
i.e. Sure I support the Bill of Rights, but those rich assholes getting to keep more of their money pisses me off. And Trump doesn't act presidential. Muh social security and healthcare.The problem is the whole concept of being a "Single Issue Voter". Yes ... I 'm a 2A advocate. I'm also a fan of many other things that are antithetical to the current President personally and policy-wise. At what point does an isolated advocacy become SO important, that it offsets complete and total socio-economic and ethical disagreement with literally "everything else" about a particular candidate? I vote on a preponderance of my advocacies ... not on a single consuming issue. I realize I'm in the wrong forum for that perspective to be embraced, but I'm encouraged by the fact that the glory of democracy is when people of good conscience and righteous intent, can disagree in civil discourse, remain friends, and participate fully in that democracy.
At what point does an isolated advocacy become SO important, that it offsets complete and total socio-economic and ethical disagreement with literally "everything else" about a particular candidate?
I get that ... I really do. But that is a very personal and specific belief (albeit broadly shared in this particular forum). In another venue, that singular consuming issue would be "Abortion", or maybe "Healthcare", or a myriad of other things. As I approach retirement in 14 days, and become responsible for my own healthcare costs (I'm 62 and three years away from Medicare), and with a complex set of pre-existing conditions to account for ... I could argue that affordable healthcare should be that "isolated advocacy" that overrides all other considerations. There are many other examples of situationally urgent issues that could impact each particular voter in different and very personal ways. If my AR's get outlawed and I could only shoot my bolt guns, I'd be VERY angry and have to make tough decisions about legal compliance (or not) ... but it likely won't result in my death or financial ruin (although I'm sure I'd get that argument). BUT ... if my access to affordable healthcare is lost ... well ... I hope you get my point that any single issue is (a) situational, and (b) personal ... and those can, in any reasonable person, be expected to shape and influence a voting decision.I dunno...maybe when that isolated advocacy is the single issue that is the only thing that guarantees you ever have a voice in any of the other things that are so dear to you?
Hint: If they're out to disarm you, they don't have anything good planned for you, or your pet issues.
The problem is the whole concept of being a "Single Issue Voter". Yes ... I 'm a 2A advocate. I'm also a fan of many other things that are antithetical to the current President personally and policy-wise. At what point does an isolated advocacy become SO important, that it offsets complete and total socio-economic and ethical disagreement with literally "everything else" about a particular candidate? I vote on a preponderance of my advocacies ... not on a single consuming issue. I realize I'm in the wrong forum for that perspective to be embraced, but I'm encouraged by the fact that the glory of democracy is when people of good conscience and righteous intent, can disagree in civil discourse, remain friends, and participate fully in that democracy.
See my last comment ... it applies here too.How do you boil a frog? Keep on that course and there won't be a 2A to support and as such an America that you know and love. You must prioritize your beliefs. The 2nd is one of the most important rights we have as a society. It was put there to keep bad people AND politicians in check. However the politicians have tried to water down it's meaning to such a point, now a portion of society feels it's no longer needed. I'm afraid, they believe their government officials will protect them. In these times (with socialism being so main stream) defending the 2A is the most important aspect of the voting process. At this time, it's most important to support ANY candidate that has our same beliefs.
You may not like Donald Trump (usually on a personal note instead of political view), but he's the best option we have and that's undeniable. He's not a polished politician. He's not a politician at all. That's why some won't like him. They want that smooth talking, slicked up guy who plays the part. But that's why many like him. He's a polished turd, but a turd that gets things done for AMERICA. He's not out there to get rich. He doesn't owe anyone in the political arena.
If you don't like him (for whatever reason), hold your nose and vote for him. If not, I truly believe this election will color our country for decades to come. Socialism isn't pretty, no matter how they paint it. Peal back it's layers and it's a red communist flag under it all.
Um ... no ... you clearly don't get it.Willing to destroy the country cause muh social security and healthcare. We get it.
I hope you get my point that any single issue is (a) situational, and (b) personal ... and those can, in any reasonable person, be expected to shape and influence a voting decision.
Finally ... a decent argument. Coming at this from a viewpoint of "Constitutionality Trumps All" (no pun intended) ... is actually a very reasonable and valid way to look at this debate. Thank you.Any single issue is not "situational and personal." 2A is constitutional. The constitution is the basis of our country and freedoms and liberties. It is what we have sworn an oath to defend.
I did not swear to protect abortions, healthcare or social security. Nor, does the constitution - those ARE individual and personal.
And while you correctly are worried about your health/healthcare, the truth is it doesn't compete with the constitution in my view.
I didn't really come to argue; and I feel for your situation. You are a brother who served - we should all be our brothers keeper.Finally ... a decent argument. Coming at this from a viewpoint of "Constitutionality Trumps All" (no pun intended) ... is actually a very reasonable and valid way to look at this debate. Thank you.
A) My job (and entire department) were eliminated as my company cut costs as a result of the pandemic. My retirement was not a "choice".A vote due to early retirement so you can keep healthcare? Wow.
A number of points occur to me here.
A) Should have put back more if you knew this was going to be an issue. With some health issues, it was certainly going to be an issue. Prior planning prevents future failure.
B) Trump has said many times he’s covering pre-existing so guess it had to be something else.
C) If health coverage is key, keep working. Sorry but you either plan and account for costs or keep working. Asking other people to pick up the slack for your lack of planning is selfish and ridiculous. If you don’t have enough to cover living needs, discretionary income AND full anticipated healthcare costs you absolutely should not retire. Becoming someone else’s problem is arrogant and selfish. Or retire and get a side gig.
D) Retirement is a planned choice not an entitlement. No one is absolutely “entitled “ to retire it’s a choice based on quite a few factors.
E) The day it became possible to, for all intents and purposes, sweep FICA receipts into the general fund it ceased to become anyone’s social security. It’s not like a 401k where it sits and hopefully appreciates. Whatever you contribute is gone immediately. Current FICA receipts cover a hair over 70% of current payouts.
F) I could write a treatise on this so I’ll stop.
The key here is someone pushed your pertinent buttons on hot issues, said the other guy isn’t going to let you do what you want or maybe manipulated you to ignore facts and instead follow emotion and basically bought your vote. You’d have been comfortable in the late 19th and early 20th centuries when votes were actually paid for in some circles.
Perhaps it was motivated by hatred or class envy. As mentioned in prior threads where money is concerned emotions are wrong 100% of the time.
Thank you, Sir ... I see many week-day rifle range visits in the coming years.I didn't really come to argue; and I feel for your situation. You are a brother who served - we should all be our brothers keeper.
When I vote, it is simply for the asshole that will screw with that constitution the least. Because the more they do, the worse it will be for all.
Hope that retirement treats you well.
Truce unconditionally accepted.Ok, I’ll play.
A) So was mine a while back. I moved on.
B) Know it doesn’t work for you but hes done pretty much everything else he promised so I’ll go with him on this. With reservations because the other side already fouled it up once.
C) I’m self-employed AND older than you, try again. Pandemic is a fact, work around it. Myself and a number of others do. By the way, Indeed is polluted with jobs.
D) If you’re financially ready then good for you. Nice job, sincerely. So am I and have been for 10 years. I like working.
E) That was for others not aware of that. If it didn’t apply, ignore it.
F) Goes both ways. You should probably stop also. When you find yourself in a hole the first rule is to stop digging. You’ve obviously made up your mind and already voted. We’re not going to convince you and you’re not going to convince me. Truce?
FIFY We live in a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.The problem is the whole concept of being a "Single Issue Voter". Yes ... I 'm a 2A advocate. I'm also a fan of many other things that are antithetical to the current President personally and policy-wise. At what point does an isolated advocacy become SO important, that it offsets complete and total socio-economic and ethical disagreement with literally "everything else" about a particular candidate? I vote on a preponderance of my advocacies ... not on a single consuming issue. I realize I'm in the wrong forum for that perspective to be embraced, but I'm encouraged by the fact that the glory ofdemocracyis when people of good conscience and righteous intent, can disagree in civil discourse, remain friends, and participate fully in thatdemocracy.
Word.FIFY We live in a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.
A) My job (and entire department) were eliminated as my company cut costs as a result of the pandemic. My retirement was not a "choice".
B) Trump has had 4 years to do that and has been unable to deliver on that recurring promise. That "Amazing Plan" has been "2 weeks away" for several years now. It's nowhere on the visible event horizon.
C) Sounds easy ... just go get a job. Not so easy at 62, and during a pandemic and with record high unemployment.
D) Um ... I don't even know how to react to that silliness as it's applied to my situation. Sufficed to say ... even though I'd "planned" on working to 65, I've saved well and am ready financially for retirement. That said, between "now" and "Medicare", I'm not anxious to lose access to affordable healthcare. My COBRA is affordable ($1,500-ish/mo) for the next 18 months. After that, I'd depend on the Affordable Care Act to get me to 65 and Medicare. If the ACA is killed ... I'll spend a ridiculous amount on healthcare that last 18 months, and with my pre-existing conditions, it might be unaffordable.
E) Huh? What's your point? That Social Security needs legislative attention to ensure solvency? We are in total agreement.
F) I'm sure you could. Thank you for stopping.
The problem is the whole concept of being a "Single Issue Voter". Yes ... I 'm a 2A advocate. I'm also a fan of many other things that are antithetical to the current President personally and policy-wise. At what point does an isolated advocacy become SO important, that it offsets complete and total socio-economic and ethical disagreement with literally "everything else" about a particular candidate? I vote on a preponderance of my advocacies ... not on a single consuming issue. I realize I'm in the wrong forum for that perspective to be embraced, but I'm encouraged by the fact that the glory of democracy is when people of good conscience and righteous intent, can disagree in civil discourse, remain friends, and participate fully in that democracy.
So, here is what I don’t get. I get not being a single issue voter, most arent, myself included. with that said you have listed some of your concerns, which are certainly valid, but why all the doomsday thinking? This goes for both sides.
You mention maybe needing to rely on the ACA at some point and are worried that your bills are going to skyrocket and so forth. As mentioned, Trump already said he is protecting pre-existing conditions so I wouldn’t worry about that too much. Aside from that, why does everything think that the gov is going to give everyone the cold backhand if they overturn the ACA?? Just because they get rid of a terrible ramrodded rushed piece of legislation doesn’t mean they are going to leave everyone out in the cold. Why can’t they abolish and replace it with something better and simply agree to abolish it but leave it in place until they get a better plan? Why is that so hard to see? I think that is the goal. Trump has not said he is going to just dump everyone. He has said that he is getting rid of the ACA but that doesn’t mean he will leave everyone out in the cold, unlike Biden who has made it very clear he fully intends to take ARs. There is a difference.
My point is we have become so polarized people can’t come to the middle anymore. I think your fears of Trump leaving 20 mil people without any help is unfounded. It’s not his character. Just saying. Whereas it’s pretty clear that Biden and fam are on the opposite end of the spectrum and would sell you out because they already have. Don’t even get me started on his 47 years in office kick...Anyways enjoy your time brother, get out and shoot. Don’t worry so much. It’s all going to be ok.
So, here is what I don’t get. I get not being a single issue voter, most arent, myself included. with that said you have listed some of your concerns, which are certainly valid, but why all the doomsday thinking? This goes for both sides.
You mention maybe needing to rely on the ACA at some point and are worried that your bills are going to skyrocket and so forth. As mentioned, Trump already said he is protecting pre-existing conditions so I wouldn’t worry about that too much. Aside from that, why does everything think that the gov is going to give everyone the cold backhand if they overturn the ACA?? Just because they get rid of a terrible ramrodded rushed piece of legislation doesn’t mean they are going to leave everyone out in the cold. Why can’t they abolish and replace it with something better and simply agree to abolish it but leave it in place until they get a better plan? Why is that so hard to see? I think that is the goal. Trump has not said he is going to just dump everyone. He has said that he is getting rid of the ACA but that doesn’t mean he will leave everyone out in the cold, unlike Biden who has made it very clear he fully intends to take ARs. There is a difference.
My point is we have become so polarized people can’t come to the middle anymore. I think your fears of Trump leaving 20 mil people without any help is unfounded. It’s not his character. Just saying. Whereas it’s pretty clear that Biden and fam are on the opposite end of the spectrum and would sell you out because they already have. Don’t even get me started on his 47 years in office kick...Anyways enjoy your time brother, get out and shoot. Don’t worry so much. It’s all going to be ok.
I get it, you sucked on the Government's tit for how many years and suddenly the VA isn't good enough for you.Um ... no ... you clearly don't get it.
Situational and personal?!? God help us all if animal instinct becomes our norm.I get that ... I really do. But that is a very personal and specific belief (albeit broadly shared in this particular forum). In another venue, that singular consuming issue would be "Abortion", or maybe "Healthcare", or a myriad of other things. As I approach retirement in 14 days, and become responsible for my own healthcare costs (I'm 62 and three years away from Medicare), and with a complex set of pre-existing conditions to account for ... I could argue that affordable healthcare should be that "isolated advocacy" that overrides all other considerations. There are many other examples of situationally urgent issues that could impact each particular voter in different and very personal ways. If my AR's get outlawed and I could only shoot my bolt guns, I'd be VERY angry and have to make tough decisions about legal compliance (or not) ... but it likely won't result in my death or financial ruin (although I'm sure I'd get that argument). BUT ... if my access to affordable healthcare is lost ... well ... I hope you get my point that any single issue is (a) situational, and (b) personal ... and those can, in any reasonable person, be expected to shape and influence a voting decision.
I'm not seeking "agreement" (this is the WRONG place for that) ... just advocating for "understanding".
And leave my pets out of this ... dammit !!!
It’s not "Constitutionality Trumps All" the Constitution is simply our best effort to embody the spirit of liberty. It is “Preservation of Life, Liberty, and Property are All Important”. The document was written to ensure these God given rights. The rights are the gold, everything else falls in the tailings pile.Finally ... a decent argument. Coming at this from a viewpoint of "Constitutionality Trumps All" (no pun intended) ... is actually a very reasonable and valid way to look at this debate. Thank you.
For @Ravenworks ...
I was in the Marine Corps for 16 years and left after Desert Storm as my enlistment ended in 1992 ... I did NOT retire. Since then, I haven't gotten a cent from the government, or the VA. I made a great career for myself after my service. You know not of what you speak.
Social Security when I retire, will be the first dollar I've ever received from any government agency after I left the Corps.
BTW ... I spent half of my time in the Marine Corps as a C-130 Loadmaster, and the other half as an Aerial Navigator ... hence the dual wings. Much of it in very dangerous duties.
I think you are worried about no one but yourself, you've proved it within your own post.For @Ravenworks ...
I was in the Marine Corps for 16 years and left after Desert Storm as my enlistment ended in 1992 ... I did NOT retire. Since then, I haven't gotten a cent from the government, or the VA. I made a great career for myself after my service. You know not of what you speak.
Social Security when I retire, will be the first dollar I've ever received from any government agency after I left the Corps.
BTW ... I spent half of my time in the Marine Corps as a C-130 Loadmaster, and the other half as an Aerial Navigator ... hence the dual wings. Much of it in very dangerous duties.
Reasonable question. Came back from a sub-year deployment, and almost immediately popped in the computer for an unaccompanied year in Japan. Having a new toddler at home in El Toro and having spent so much of my marriage and fatherhood deployed or flying extended TransPac's' and TransLant's, etc. ... I just decided I'd done my bit for King and Country. I opted out of reenlisting, and took a job in the Silicon Valley ... been there ever since.non of my business but why get out at 16, you were in the wing
I'll defend forever your right to your opinions, however uninformed and insulting they may be. I'm just glad you aren't my neighbor. Life is still full of simple joys. Time to check out of this "interesting" forum, and do more important things.I think you are worried about no one but yourself, you've proved it within your own post.
Sorry Jimmy, I'll respect a buck privates opinion before yours.
A private is the most selfless person in the world, you reek of entitlement through time and grade.
Stop saying that filthy word “Democracy”.The problem is the whole concept of being a "Single Issue Voter". Yes ... I 'm a 2A advocate. I'm also a fan of many other things that are antithetical to the current President personally and policy-wise. At what point does an isolated advocacy become SO important, that it offsets complete and total socio-economic and ethical disagreement with literally "everything else" about a particular candidate? I vote on a preponderance of my advocacies ... not on a single consuming issue. I realize I'm in the wrong forum for that perspective to be embraced, but I'm encouraged by the fact that the glory of democracy is when people of good conscience and righteous intent, can disagree in civil discourse, remain friends, and participate fully in that democracy.
I get it, you sucked on the Government's tit for how many years and suddenly the VA isn't good enough for you.
I get affordable health care, you're preaching to the choir about it.
Since Obama care MY CARE has gone to shit.
Try paying $2,500 a month for insurance with a deductible of $3,700.
I'm on Medicare now and the insurance still sucks, the health care in this country has turned into Walmart Care.
It works just enough to keep you alive by jumping through hoops.
I live by Cleveland Clinic, the most well respected hospital in the WORLD.
I use to get an appointment in a week,now it takes months.
And
We don't see doctors anymore, no we see Nurse Practitioners.
I'm personal freinds with several doctors,they refuse the nurse practitioner mantra, they told me the new doctors need them to make a living because the pay from Obama care is so bad.
Gunny,I am truly ashamed to see you flying your Marine corps service on your tag.
The first value of the corp is we are all one.
The second value of the corp is everyone is a rifleman.
Don't tell me you was one of those guys with rank that sat in his hooch drinking a warm beverage and staying dry while your troops were out in it.
Don't forget where you came from.
You didn’t “get” a single word I said, and are being willfully ignorant.I get that ... I really do. But that is a very personal and specific belief (albeit broadly shared in this particular forum). In another venue, that singular consuming issue would be "Abortion", or maybe "Healthcare", or a myriad of other things. As I approach retirement in 14 days, and become responsible for my own healthcare costs (I'm 62 and three years away from Medicare), and with a complex set of pre-existing conditions to account for ... I could argue that affordable healthcare should be that "isolated advocacy" that overrides all other considerations. There are many other examples of situationally urgent issues that could impact each particular voter in different and very personal ways. If my AR's get outlawed and I could only shoot my bolt guns, I'd be VERY angry and have to make tough decisions about legal compliance (or not) ... but it likely won't result in my death or financial ruin (although I'm sure I'd get that argument). BUT ... if my access to affordable healthcare is lost ... well ... I hope you get my point that any single issue is (a) situational, and (b) personal ... and those can, in any reasonable person, be expected to shape and influence a voting decision.
I'm not seeking "agreement" (this is the WRONG place for that) ... just advocating for "understanding".
And leave my pets out of this ... dammit !!!
It is looney tunes. As I said, the Republic is dying. I’d be surprised if America is around by 2025.
I get that ... I really do. But that is a very personal and specific belief (albeit broadly shared in this particular forum). In another venue, that singular consuming issue would be "Abortion", or maybe "Healthcare", or a myriad of other things.
... I hope you get my point that any single issue is (a) situational, and (b) personal ... and those can, in any reasonable person, be expected to shape and influence a voting decision.
I'm not seeking "agreement" (this is the WRONG place for that) ... just advocating for "understanding".
plus they are liars. they say 100s of millions will lose coverage...I hear this same healthcare shit from my libtard neighbor. Trump is going to take. Our daughter’s health insurance. Note. People who say healthcare’s are fools because what they inarticulately are implying is insurance. It’s the left shoulder want to not only take away but DESTROY healthCARE. Does anybody with a single active neuron think the left could have gotten us this close to covid vaccine and now we have cures via antibodies??
Also. It was pointed out above that indeed it is a single issue election. One issue and one issue alone. Does one believe in THE Constitution and Bill of Rights? That’s it. That’s what this election is all about.
So if one wants their precious government subsidizesd low cost health insurance to pay for health CARE go and see how that’s working in Venezuela. I’m sure it’s cheap.
Hold on. There is a caravan of black cars pulling up across street. Holy shit. It’s Trump and by damn he just grabbed the girls health insurance - he TOOK it- holy shit. I cannot believe it. Orange is bad. Ok. Caravan driving off. Wait. Here comes another car. You have got to be kidding me. It’s pedo joe and he’s consoling the girl.
Now. Tell me again how it’s not one issue?
Now wait a minute, going all Red Ball is a little to much.Can i get Geico to cover my pre-existing car crash?
Premiums are expensive. It sure would be easier if i could wait until after a crash to get insurance...