You need yo stop being defensive,
If the winners aren’t using tuners then…they must not believe they work well enough to give them a extra edge
Show me a champion who doesn’t want every advantage possible..there arent any
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If the winners aren’t using tuners then…they must not believe they work well enough to give them a extra edge
Show me a champion who doesn’t want every advantage possible..there arent any
Not out of my league your just bitter for some reason.
Again..no one will answer the question I asked yet come back with other info not asked
Can any one find pics of the winner or top 5 in the comps
If they all have tuners that’s fine
If they don’t that’s fine
It’s called research
Get me the names and I’ll reach out to the winners and ask their opinion about tuners
Never said any thing about the Litz podcast .
Tuners are just a different way to tune and nothing more .
You and Cameljockey are saying different things here, I guess that's part of the confusion.
Every tuner advocate seems to have a different claim for what tuners can and can't do.
Take this guy seriously. He almost owned a rifle manufacturing company.
Or, right. That was OP.
If there is no difference then why use them at all?
It’s just another variable..
That post goes against everything on this thread
So you can put your rifle back in tune when it goes out of tune with the turn of a knob rather than changing loads .
I should clear up this possible misunderstanding, camel speaks of specific weight to tune for positive compensation to widen the window , I am speaking about universal tuners which are not weighted specifically to that rifle combo .
I’m gonna take a break from this thread lol. I am sorta pooped out. I’ll pop back in sometime, maybe, but I’m unsubscribing from updates. It’s not just one person, it’s sorta the whole thing.
Sounds to me like your back on the sauce
Send me the requested measurements and I will send you a tuner and some free ammo.
You cannot tell anyone on this thread how you adjusted the tuner just the results of your groups with and without a tuner.
Deal or no deal
Nobody here doubts that you have streaks in your underwear and that you haven't changed them in 50 years
This is a 100 yard group shot prone from bipod and rear bag.
How much smaller will a tuner make it?
Is this guy Theiss is that what your saying?
It would explain alot.
What about kthomas?
Keep hitting the sauce and your mind will tell you what you want to hear
At this years ko2m how many shooters used a tuner?
If none were used the chance of winning might be harder to achieve wouldn't it?
If none were used the chance of winning might be harder to achieve wouldn't it?
The only shooter in attendance I am aware of didn't use a tuner and never got any hits
Again I do imagine that your loaded
You imagine my what is loaded? Or did you mean you're* again?
Yep loaded again
No you're loaded just in a blackout
Ok,
This is why tuners “have a bad name”
Every time there is a question there are confusing answers
One guy says they make groups smaller
One guy says they are for positive compensation
Positive compensation is mainly vertical and groups are “round”
One guy says it’s just another way to tune, meaning all “tuning is equal”
Both bring up data which is 8-15 years old, while valid there are hundreds of not thousands of data points available
Neither will help in listing the winners and their gear of the top shooters in each division, so a consensus could be had
And from that consensus comms will be started looking for their opinion aboot tuners and effects.
Neither said let’s go get instruments and really vet this stuff out
No one “pro tuner” has created a universal tuning process, as all tuners are just weight.
No one “pro tuner” has shown a formula for choosing tuner weight.
Additionally all “pro tuner” consistently state that tuners function by engineering/physics.
If that is true, a linear process of how to tune and what weight tuner should be readily available, as it’s just math.
Is it not plainly obvious why tuner discussions turn to a disaster /pissing match
This is why tuners “have a bad name”
Every time there is a question there are confusing answers
One guy says they make groups smaller
One guy says they are for positive compensation
Positive compensation is mainly vertical and groups are “round”
One guy says it’s just another way to tune, meaning all “tuning is equal”
Both bring up data which is 8-15 years old, while valid there are hundreds of not thousands of data points available
Neither will help in listing the winners and their gear of the top shooters in each division, so a consensus could be had
And from that consensus comms will be started looking for their opinion aboot tuners and effects.
Neither said let’s go get instruments and really vet this stuff out
No one “pro tuner” has created a universal tuning process, as all tuners are just weight.
No one “pro tuner” has shown a formula for choosing tuner weight.
Additionally all “pro tuner” consistently state that tuners function by engineering/physics.
If that is true, a linear process of how to tune and what weight tuner should be readily available, as it’s just math.
Is it not plainly obvious why tuner discussions turn to a disaster /pissing match
Okay so now we know what is going on here.
One of these guys got suckered out of his money by Theiss.
Now he wants the few who know what they are doing to supply him with details so he can try and get his money back with a government contract.
Why didn't you just say that in the first place and we could have gave you an answer
One of these guys got suckered out of his money by Theiss.
Now he wants the few who know what they are doing to supply him with details so he can try and get his money back with a government contract.
Why didn't you just say that in the first place and we could have gave you an answer
This post says more about you than it does the person you are attacking.
It's pretty telling that you choose to resort to insults and condescending remarks over respectful debate and engagement.
Actually in looking over your posts of the last 3 years it shows you as insulting and condescending. I have been getting phone calls explaining why some of you appear as trolls or bootlickers but now the picture is becoming clearer by the minute
You actually hate the data and statistics because you haven't figured out how to make money on it
You must have me confused for someone else. I don't work in the firearm industry - past or present. Whether tuners "work" or not really has no bearing on my fiscal state. I doubt you get any phone calls about me specifically, I'm just a random hobbyist
- who do you think I am?And I don't know what posts of mine you are referring to. While I may disagree with people, resorting to insults or condescending remarks to make my point is not my MO.
He thinks you are DThomas. LolYou must have me confused for someone else. I don't work in the firearm industry - past or present. Whether tuners "work" or not really has no bearing on my fiscal state. I doubt you get any phone calls about me specifically, I'm just a random hobbyist
And I don't know what posts of mine you are referring to. While I may disagree with people, resorting to insults or condescending remarks to make my point is not my MO.
Standby, Varmint Al and rimfire benchrest talk incoming….. again.
Yeah that's a completely different individual
Lies…witchcraft…shape changer
i hope their tuner data is more accurate than their investigative skill set
Wait, wait, wait.......
This stuff has worked for "100 years", and you guys have been researching it for 20 or more years each.....and one helped write a book about it in 2010....
It's 2023 and neither of you are monetizing this is any significant way.
What are you guys waiting for......until you have 30 years data......to finally monetize this????
This stuff has worked for "100 years", and you guys have been researching it for 20 or more years each.....and one helped write a book about it in 2010....
It's 2023 and neither of you are monetizing this is any significant way.
What are you guys waiting for......until you have 30 years data......to finally monetize this????
Oh no....insane Lynn figured me out. I've been lurking here in the shadows the whole time waiting for them to drop the big secret so I can sell it to Bryan Litz and retire off the $8.50 I could make off this stuff.
And just to keep in line with my insulting and condescending stereotype......you're all morons, and I've seen elementary school science fair exhibits more impressive than this. I'd make more performing corporate espionage off the kid's lemonade stand that lives next door.
Anyway, back to the shadows until the mentally handicapped bat signal shines in my window again......
And just to keep in line with my insulting and condescending stereotype......you're all morons, and I've seen elementary school science fair exhibits more impressive than this. I'd make more performing corporate espionage off the kid's lemonade stand that lives next door.
Anyway, back to the shadows until the mentally handicapped bat signal shines in my window again......
Ah ha we outed him. I knew it would happen.
Caught yet again.
Brianf we all used derstand you got suckered out of your money and your butthurt over anything/everything.
Now here is some help for you. Take my posts to your R-D department if it still exists and let them read it without your constant interference.
Your welcome.
Kthomas
I can guess your responses for the next 25 years just based off of 3 years of your current track record.
I need more statistics and data.
The data isn't enough or your results are because of variables.
I plan on testing all this soon.
And Bryan Litz I want to have your love baby
Rio
I won't comment on you because what you have already posted says it all. Good luck in your shed.
Today 444
Your most likely passed out at this time of day but hopefully you'll be sitting up soon?
Just say no you can do it.
Caught yet again.
Brianf we all used derstand you got suckered out of your money and your butthurt over anything/everything.
Now here is some help for you. Take my posts to your R-D department if it still exists and let them read it without your constant interference.
Your welcome.
Kthomas
I can guess your responses for the next 25 years just based off of 3 years of your current track record.
I need more statistics and data.
The data isn't enough or your results are because of variables.
I plan on testing all this soon.
And Bryan Litz I want to have your love baby
Rio
I won't comment on you because what you have already posted says it all. Good luck in your shed.
Today 444
Your most likely passed out at this time of day but hopefully you'll be sitting up soon?
Just say no you can do it.
I was given all the ayers 9 pages ago that's why I started this thread.
Still won’t answer the real questions, and trying to deflect by name calling.
Par for the course, when people get cornered in their own web of misinformation
You must live under a rock if you think bringing up history riles me up like a teenager.
I make fun of myself about that situation more than anyone.
Back to deflection
I fully understand you haven't got a clue how to setup a proper tuner and you wasted all your money with Theiss but unfortunately for you you went about getting the answer all wrong and now your screwed once again.
Buckle up buttercup
Timntx I would advise against giving these guys any help on how to tune a tuner and set one up the right way.
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