can't have it both ways as many have said. Russ mil is incompetent and AFU can't beat Ukraine in 3 years. or,they are an existential threat to Eurasia and are intent on total conquest and building a USSR like empire. pick 1.
Ukraine war Bullshit.
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False Flag, or is Putin really this stupid?
Russian cruise missiles hit US company in massive Ukraine strike amid Trump’s peace push
Russia rains down 614 missiles and drones in massive overnight assault on Ukraine, hitting a US-owned company near NATO borders and raising questions about Putin's negotiation intentions.
www.foxnews.com
false flag? have to ask what a "private co" is doing in a war zone. was Ford motor co working in London in 1941?False Flag, or is Putin really this stupid?
Russian cruise missiles hit US company in massive Ukraine strike amid Trump’s peace push
Russia rains down 614 missiles and drones in massive overnight assault on Ukraine, hitting a US-owned company near NATO borders and raising questions about Putin's negotiation intentions.
It is war after all, and if a "supposed" US company is in a war torn country, it is a potential target IMHO.
They are stupid to be there. Fuck Z and others that are funding and promoting the continuance of the war.
Collateral damage.
They are stupid to be there. Fuck Z and others that are funding and promoting the continuance of the war.
Collateral damage.
If Ukraine would just give up and stop defending itself, puccia wouldn't have to keep punching them and they could just be raped peacefully.
I'm calling total B.S.
"describing the company as "a regular civilian business, supported by American investment, producing everyday items like coffee machines." "
Right yep, you expect we are stupid enough to believe that?
Russians knew exactly what was going on there...
"describing the company as "a regular civilian business, supported by American investment, producing everyday items like coffee machines." "
Right yep, you expect we are stupid enough to believe that?
Russians knew exactly what was going on there...
I have said from the beginning that Russia is not a threat to the US and that the fact they couldn't take out Uke quickly and has drug our for 3 years with no real end in sight.
I've also stated that I believe the intel about Russia being powerful is just a way to justify spending/throwing more money to the MIC.
Someone Prove me wrong.
"They are stupid to be there."
Very correct observation!
I don't think anyone can successfully defend an argument that Russia is not a threat and has no legit strategic or tactical capabilities based on the war going on for 3 years. Kind of like Polls. . . . . if you skew the constraints enough, you can produce whatever results you desire.
Just like other wars, the RU and UA war has too many variables in play. Too few facts disseminated to a public level.
Look at the chronology and duration of the war effort by the United States' in Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan.
Like it or not, one could literally say the same thing about the US being no world power, etc. based on the time line and the final outcome in all 3 theaters of operation.
While you're prolly not wrong about Linday Graham and other MIC war mongering cunts needing "a bad guy" to justify their sacred cows, I think many will quickly and dangerously underestimate the RU.
They have brought more Fullbacks on line in the last year than the previous 5yrs.
They are producing enough Felons to actually give export ship dates to Algeria and some say unofficially North Korea and India.
They are arguably the only nation in the world that can come close to the US in world wide submarine attack and SRBM presence.
Programs like Oreshnik that we kept saying aren't operational, yet used in a successful strike last November (that they deconflicted with us prior to launch) without even a chance of intercept. I could go on and on . . . .
not saying Russia is weak. just pointing it out that the neocons can't have it both ways. actually seems like the Russ are working in a much different,smarter,measured,much more conservative fashion than ww2 or even Afghanistan. it appears that ground combat has changed radically at this time. the Russians seem to be on the cutting edge of that. this despite the US/NATO led,equipped and trained in the old (5 years ago) style.
Uke was prob the best army in Europe. shown to be 2nd best but very tough and brave for sure.
wonder if the "private US connected" site was another one of Fauci/CIA's bio labs. hope Putin found and destroyed all of them and anyone working in them. i heard there were at least 6.
Uke was prob the best army in Europe. shown to be 2nd best but very tough and brave for sure.
wonder if the "private US connected" site was another one of Fauci/CIA's bio labs. hope Putin found and destroyed all of them and anyone working in them. i heard there were at least 6.
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Agreed.
The article literally states "an American-owned electronics company".
To me, this = supplier of anything electronic going into organically produced UA drones and other "Mil" equipment.
Soooo..... fuck yes. I would consider them a legit target.
Another thing. . . . the dumbasses trying to drive the narrative love to point out how close to other NATO country borders some of these targets are. Tigga please. . . . . It doesn't matter if they are 5 feet from another border, if the strike is made on Ukrainian turf, it is in bounds and fair play.
Cuncha bunts.
China is the serious threat. Russia isn’t even communist anymore.
that is my take also. Russia is not commie and China is but in a very non marxist way. seems to me they have changed since the 90s. as far as i know they have invaded anyone only 2x since 1400. their wars have either been intramural or the result of being invaded. 2 tries at Japan were mongol driven,not Han. 1200s i recall. now they are doing different. their attacks on us are multi faceted. they admit to a "total" war by all methods. they seem to be winning with a lot of help from our elites and pols.
Yep.
China is patient and very purposeful with every move. They are in it for the long haul although some believe that they are realizing too late that they have committed an irreversible slide to national suicide with their last 2 decades of birthrate controls.
Some have solid bets that Xi Jinping realizes this. They postulate that the Chinese have a small window of opportunity to accelerate their ambitions before the cultural and governmental meltdown. If so, that is likely the real danger for sure.
the video is blocked, but the mention of women and ukraine did get me thinking. lets give credit to Ukraine where it is due. the one thing they've always been famous for is whores.
well you are OT. but Rita H. or Ava G. 12 or 13 on the 1-10 scale. i am not that old but they were the top of the pile in my parent's gen. very sexy real women sans ink,metal or plastic. i must say that if Sweeney is for real she competes well.
I'll agree with that. However, I did don't see China wanting a hot war with the US. China is winning using economics/trade. Buying property in the USA, using American money (they've made in huge trade surplus with us) to buy and invest in other countries , basically buying friends and alliances. They're playing the long game.
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I agree with pretty much everything you said.
Korea and Vietnam , IMO, were not fought like WW2 . WW2 was all about winning and ending it. Korea and Vietnam was run by the politicians , because both were proxy wars with the communists.
Afghanistan was a mess to begin with, Russia was in there for years and could never conquer it. No one in history to my knowledge has ever truly taken over and controlled Afghanistan.
A lot of dead people and our billions spent and we are basically right back to square one.
Not to mention a country in ruins.
Is this not exactly where we started less billions in stolen graft?
Not to mention a country in ruins.
Is this not exactly where we started less billions in stolen graft?
It is indeed fascinating that there are actually individuals who believe that we own the moral high ground in this tragic misadventure (among so many others).
1+ million dead, Russia occupies more land, and they (Russia) have more leverage at the negotiating table than before.
Raytheon stock is looking good though, so I guess there's some winners out of this...
I was once a proud shareholder…
…dedicated to preserving our way of life!
Please zoom in on the image at the lower right hand corner of the annual shareholder report, and tell me if it elicits a visceral sensation of disgust.
It’s someone trailing a water buffalo, plowing the soil. Situated in the background is some fancy structure amidst power lines. Typical disingenuous message of “bringing modernization to the underdeveloped.”
With our present context, personally - it represents a foreign MIC structure overshadowing an agrarian, developing country.
Now, there are individuals on this forum who actually believe this is a good thing.
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Hey you came back.
So I hear Zelensky rebuffed the Peace Deal the recent talks were about, which included article 5 like security assurances. Looks like ya'll want to keep fighting too.
Good Luck, you are going to need it.
"Come on man" .
The mic paid him to "plant a field with crops" because it's cheaper than sweeping it for mines with our personnel and expensive equipment .
Mic complex expansion team.
"Timmys" are cheap .
Could be worse Timmy at least is not using his children to sweep a clear path for the buffalo plow
The mic paid him to "plant a field with crops" because it's cheaper than sweeping it for mines with our personnel and expensive equipment .
Mic complex expansion team.
"Timmys" are cheap .
Could be worse Timmy at least is not using his children to sweep a clear path for the buffalo plow
That mic complex, (maybe just like our "electronics factory" that the Russians targeted .
Was built there to hide from scrutiny the graft and corruption of our Senate and Congress.
It's not as profitable or easy to hide in conus. The hookers and blow are cheaper or most likely comped while on their empty suitcase runs.
Just using past history and current events in the Ukraine as a viable example
Was built there to hide from scrutiny the graft and corruption of our Senate and Congress.
It's not as profitable or easy to hide in conus. The hookers and blow are cheaper or most likely comped while on their empty suitcase runs.
Just using past history and current events in the Ukraine as a viable example
For some totally bizarre reason, some people are under the impression that these myriad kinds of “un - American” shenanigans are unique to the Ukraine conflict alone.
Still can’t get it outta my head.
I'd like a headcount of Dems and Republicans that are loosing their graft from that blown up factory.
And wonder if Putin saw a viable military target or just did it to piss off the criminals in DC receiving graft?
And wonder if Putin saw a viable military target or just did it to piss off the criminals in DC receiving graft?
Abnormal Returns From the Common Stock Investments of Members of the U.S. House of Representatives
Abnormal Returns from the Common Stock Investments of the U.S. Senate
They have other avenues
Their insight in predicting market trends sharpens exponentially upon assuming office, by virtue of having excellent financial advice from their newfound contacts and handlers.
Apparently in the beginning of the war it seems a whole lot of Russian officers got "dead" one way or another.
That probably did the Russians a huge favour.
The biggest problem with the Russians was their officer class.
A whole bunch of them retiring feet first was the best thing ever for their military.
That is a very good point. They're still operating under the Soviet doctrines of command. This cripples their tactical capability to make battlefield decisions. I think it's optimistic to think the next tranche won't suffer from the same maladies though.
could be. that is how they fought ww2. no deviation from orders from higher up. promotion on ability to carry that out. they have had no combat since then except Afghanistan which was a totally diff setting like VN for our ww2 era higher ups. results the same MOL. small unit initiative is how the Germans beat them so badly at 1st. their weapons were actually as good or better.
wonder whether the small unit leadership has or will improve. seems it will have to for success in the new combat environ.
if you notice the reporting is about brigades,the Russ have 300k men RTG. in ww2 they committed 100s of Ks to millions at Smolensk,Kiev,Moscow,Stalingrad,Bagration,Berlin. big change and needing much better trained and educated troops.
wonder whether the small unit leadership has or will improve. seems it will have to for success in the new combat environ.
if you notice the reporting is about brigades,the Russ have 300k men RTG. in ww2 they committed 100s of Ks to millions at Smolensk,Kiev,Moscow,Stalingrad,Bagration,Berlin. big change and needing much better trained and educated troops.
Well it seems to me that their “soviet doctrine” fares whole lot better than nato trained army of zealots who seem to have been sitting on their ears in german bases. Face it you and nato don’t have a clue how to fight serious war and track record since WWII proves it. Time of selling “US army” greatness is long past all that remained is pathetic collection of “game changers” and obsolete tactics that bore no fruit.
so the russians are claiming that they have gotten so good at targeting drones, they have left ukraine unable to get real time views of the battlefields. don't know if those claims are true or not, but i sure hope we are learning as much as they are.
My father was a combat artillery officer between 1943 and 1945. He did not talk too much about the war, but what I gathered from some things he told me is that if officer treated his soldiers with enough respect and acted rationally, soldiers always appreciated it very much and would protect such officer at any cost. Otherwise, the chances of an officer to survive on the battlefield were practically equal to zero. So, I completely agree with your post...
BTW, interesting fact - mostly starting from the middle of the war, Soviets began to use 37 mm AA semiautomatic canons to fire on German trenches from the distance of 200-250 meters. My father said it had a very devastating effect on Germans, but Germans shot back and this is how my father nearly got killed by the 8 mm bullet penetrating his neck.
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The characterization of officers being pistol - wavers, like in the war propaganda photographs (beckoning the men forward)...
...is it rooted in some truth?
That's similar to how the Germans repurposed their 88mm AA guns
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Negotiating from strengthFalse Flag, or is Putin really this stupid?
Russian cruise missiles hit US company in massive Ukraine strike amid Trump’s peace push
Russia rains down 614 missiles and drones in massive overnight assault on Ukraine, hitting a US-owned company near NATO borders and raising questions about Putin's negotiation intentions.
Honestly, I do not know. I was never there to witness the reality of combat. However, it was always a tradition in the Russian military since 18th century that the officers should inspire their men by leading the charge. How it is now, I have no idea.
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