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Using Hornady Lock-Load OAL Gauge questions

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I bought one of these to try and get my best accuracy out of my Savage 10fp .223. I'm using Hornady V-Max bullets with the pointed red tips. When I used the gauge and then measured the OAL length of modified casing with bullet inserted, I came up with 2.312" using digital caliper. when gauging, I pushed just enough to lightly touch the bullet to the rifling then tightened the lock screw. Does it seem I did this correctly? and should I seat my bullets slightly deeper than the 2.312" gauge reading to set back from the lands a little and if so, what's a good OAL starting point to seat the bullets to? Thanks for all advice!
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Re: Using Hornady Lock-Load OAL Gauge questions

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p5200</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought one of these to try and get my best accuracy out of my Savage 10fp .223. I'm using Hornady V-Max bullets with the pointed red tips. When I used the gauge and then measured the OAL length of modified casing with bullet inserted, I came up with 2.312" using digital caliper. when gauging, I pushed just enough to lightly touch the bullet to the rifling then tightened the lock screw. Does it seem I did this correctly? and should I seat my bullets slightly deeper than the 2.312" gauge reading to set back from the lands a little and if so, what's a good OAL starting point to seat the bullets to? Thanks for all advice!
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I have both the straight and curved OAL tools. They aren't 100% repeatable, due to technique and positioning.

Here's how I do it.

Get 3 or 5 bullets depending on time and how badly my OCD is flaring up. Mark each bullet with a scribe, or Sharpie pen...something permament, 1, 2 and 3 (/, //, /// works too).

Take the 1st, marked bullet and insert it into the modified case (making sure it's completely cinched onto the tool) and with the thumbscrew in the 12:00 position within the action, measure to the lands and tighten the screw, making sure not to let that rod float rearward as you tighten. I also lightly tap the bullet, but don't smash it into the lands. Remove with rod, as it'll stick most of the time.

Write this COAL down and repeat two more times for a total of 3 measurement for that exact bullet.

Move onto bullet 2, but this time, the thumbscrew will be at the 9:00 position. Measure and record 3 times. Always check that the modified case is screwed down tightly onto the tool.

Move to bullet 3, but this time, put the thumbscrew at the 3:00 position, towards you and the ejection port and record your 3 measurements.

If you want to do 5 bullets from a single box, repeat, but if you're going to stop here, take the 3 measurements from bullet 1 and average them together. Do this with bullet 2 and 3 (or 4 and 5) and then average those three (averages) together for a single number.

After you have a number, take these 3, or 5 bullets and
place them into a ziplock bag, putting them away for referencing throat errosion throughout the life of the barrel.

If you want to seat to the lands, you have a good number to go by. If you want to seat .005" into the lands, load them .005" longer. .015" off the lands, subtract that from your grand average and have fun hitting the range.

You'll get the hang of the tool and how things can be different, so don't fret if things aren't exactly the same every time.

Chris
 
Re: Using Hornady Lock-Load OAL Gauge questions

I use one of these exclusively, however, I'm not as patient as Gunny Garrett. Might try his method one of these days. Has a lot of merit, me thinks. I use a small diameter dowel rod down the muzzle to "sandwich" the bullet between the OAL rod and the dowel to "feel" the bullet just into the lands. I take 6-8 readings and attempt to push the bullet into the lands w/ the same force each time, set the screw and measure it. Take the average of the measurements and then load .010 INTO the lands from that average. Work up accuracy/pressure loads using that C.O.A.L. and then fine tune by backing OFF that measurement. If I reach max pressure signs that far into the lands, then I should reduce pressure by backing off. My .02 after taking Tres Mons advice. Been working for me. Good luck. You'll get the hang of it.

Does it seem I did this correctly? and should I seat my bullets slightly deeper than the 2.312" gauge reading to set back from the lands a little and if so, what's a good OAL starting point to seat the bullets to? Thanks for all advice!
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Re: Using Hornady Lock-Load OAL Gauge questions

Thanks folks for all the valuable info!
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I've been using 25 grains of Hodgdon Varget powder as suggested by my Lyman book hope that's a safe amount.
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Re: Using Hornady Lock-Load OAL Gauge questions

Yes, I measure to the tip. maybe, that will get me by till I can order one of the bullet comparators. Is it more dangerous to seat bullet too deep or, not deep enough? I'm more concerned with safety than anything but, do want to learn how to properly load for best accuracy with this particular rifle. I'm just a little paranoid when dealing with gun powder.
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Thanks Again!
 
Re: Using Hornady Lock-Load OAL Gauge questions

You need to measure from the ogive as the tips of bullets tend to be variable from bullet to bullet. This is especially true with hollow point bullets.

This is the insert by caliber tha came with your tool. Measure about three times as you will get a small variation. In reality it does not matter if it is a super accurate length to the lead of the barrel - it just matters that when you load the ammo it is uniform.

Then test bullets loaded to different lengths to the ogive to determine what shoots best in your gun.

I find that normally my Sierra MatchKings like .020" to .030" back off the rifling.

George
 
Re: Using Hornady Lock-Load OAL Gauge questions

Having OAL too long or too short can cause pressure issues and lead to unsafe scenarios. But ever gun is different.
From what I understand, seating the bullet on the lands in some cases can cause high pressure due the bullet having to fight the friction of the lands in the barrel to exit the case..
Having the OAL too short may cause the bullet to shift and miss a direct shot into the lands while exiting the case, also causing high pressure.
From my experience, i see alot of people mounting everywhere from .010" to .040" off the lands. I load my 175SMKs .010" off the lands in my AR30.
 
Re: Using Hornady Lock-Load OAL Gauge questions

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChrisGarrett</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
p5200 said:
I bought one of these to try and get my best accuracy out of my Savage 10fp .223. I'm using Hornady V-Max bullets with the pointed red tips. When I used the gauge and then measured the OAL length of modified casing with bullet inserted, I came up with 2.312" using digital caliper. when gauging, I pushed just enough to lightly touch the bullet to the rifling then tightened the lock screw. Does it seem I did this correctly? and should I seat my bullets slightly deeper than the 2.312" gauge reading to set back from the lands a little and if so, what's a good OAL starting point to seat the bullets to? Thanks for all advice!
smile.gif


http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00005C1000

These are the bullets http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000322716 </div></div>

I have both the straight and curved OAL tools. They aren't 100% repeatable, due to technique and positioning.

Here's how I do it.

Get 3 or 5 bullets depending on time and how badly my OCD is flaring up. Mark each bullet with a scribe, or Sharpie pen...something permament, 1, 2 and 3 (/, //, /// works too).

Take the 1st, marked bullet and insert it into the modified case (making sure it's completely cinched onto the tool) and with the thumbscrew in the 12:00 position within the action, measure to the lands and tighten the screw, making sure not to let that rod float rearward as you tighten. I also lightly tap the bullet, but don't smash it into the lands. Remove with rod, as it'll stick most of the time.

Write this COAL down and repeat two more times for a total of 3 measurement for that exact bullet.

Move onto bullet 2, but this time, the thumbscrew will be at the 9:00 position. Measure and record 3 times. Always check that the modified case is screwed down tightly onto the tool.

Move to bullet 3, but this time, put the thumbscrew at the 3:00 position, towards you and the ejection port and record your 3 measurements.

If you want to do 5 bullets from a single box, repeat, but if you're going to stop here, take the 3 measurements from bullet 1 and average them together. Do this with bullet 2 and 3 (or 4 and 5) and then average those three (averages) together for a single number.

After you have a number, take these 3, or 5 bullets and
place them into a ziplock bag, putting them away for referencing throat errosion throughout the life of the barrel.

If you want to seat to the lands, you have a good number to go by. If you want to seat .005" into the lands, load them .005" longer. .015" off the lands, subtract that from your grand average and have fun hitting the range.

You'll get the hang of the tool and how things can be different, so don't fret if things aren't exactly the same every time.

Chris

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Chris: any preference between the straight and curved oal gauges? i bought the curved for my AR and REPR because it says its for semi-autos. but if i pull the bolt carrier group out, i can go straight in, if it's long enough. Stick with the curved or trade for the straight? thanks!
 
Re: Using Hornady Lock-Load OAL Gauge questions

I use the curved for my AR's & lever actions, straight for my bolt actions.... Multiple measurements is a must as the others have said, it is not 100% accurate, but pretty darned close if you can keep things consistent! The biggest problem I've experienced is the bullet sticking and pulling back out some when removing the tool from the action.... you'll get the hang of it with practice! GL!!
 
Re: Using Hornady Lock-Load OAL Gauge questions

The dowel rod works well for pushing the bullet back if it gets seated. Plus, you can use the dowel rod to get a feel by lightly pushing the dowel toward the chamber then, lightly pushing the rod in the tool towards the end of the barrel.