Uspsa scandel

[Fuzynuts]

How many peoples rights did this cop violate? Some people don't have the integrity to handle any amount of power.

BREAKING: USPSA Cheating Scandal uncovered. | GunsSaveLife.com

Paul Hendrix isn’t going to be a happy camper. He’s a retired cop who apparently has problems with honesty, integrity and ethics in his role as an official at USPSA events.



He’s a Range Officer at USPSA and has been reporting incorrect times, it seems, for shooters he’s running through. He cuts time for people he likes, and adds time for people he doesn’t.

Nice guy, eh?

 

[Smcarroll]

Not suprised at all, this just seems to be how the system always works.

 

[ShtrRdy]

I've experienced a LEO at local USPSA matches that tends to tilt scores a little one way or the other. He doesn't do it with the time, (as far as I've noticed), but will score hits in favorable/unfavorable ways. I learned to follow him through when scoring and challenge when needed.

Fortunately most LEO's are straight, honest, people.

 

[lash]

I believe that the fact he was a LEO is not material to the story and only serves to detract from the subject at hand. And that subject is nothing more nor less than cheating at competitive sports. Any time there is a competitive field of events, there will be those looking for any advantage possible. The more competitive the event, the higher the likelihood that some form of gaming or cheating might occur. There is rarely a week that goes by without some sport or another in the spotlight for someone doing something questionable or outright cheating.

In this case, the RO in question was caught, called out online and had his RO abilities revoked within a couple days. It sounds like swift justice to me, with the exception that all the major matches he RO'd are now subject to contention.

 

[devldogs55]

That's very disappointing to learn. At least it's not being swept under the rug. Now those who may have legitimately won a match he was in may never know if they did it on their own.

 

[Smcarroll]

I believe that the fact he was a LEO is not material to the story and only serves to detract from the subject at hand. And that subject is nothing more nor less than cheating at competitive sports. Any time there is a competitive field of events, there will be those looking for any advantage possible. The more competitive the event, the higher the likelihood that some form of gaming or cheating might occur. There is rarely a week that goes by without some sport or another in the spotlight for someone doing something questionable or outright cheating.

In this case, the RO in question was caught, called out online and had his RO abilities revoked within a couple days. It sounds like swift justice to me, with the exception that all the major matches he RO'd are now subject to contention.

bullshit. LEO's, retired or not, should always be held to a higher standard. they are supposed to be the best of the best, our lawkeepers. when they cheat or break laws what example are they setting?

 

[lash]

OK, I won't argue with that; as it is true that we do and should expect a higher standard from our LEOs. My point was that the story should be much more than that he was a former LEO and the arguments and often bashing that accompany that path of discussion.

The story was really about the USPSA and the fact that this guy, who as an RO and official of the matches in question is expected to report just what he sees and records. I say that the USPSA should take a real close look at their officiators, particularly at top matches, or they risk losing the trust of the people who participate and support their sport. The truth is, just because someone is or claims to be current or former LEO or Military, does not or should not mean that they get a free pass from scrutiny and regular random accuracy checks when officiating matches that have big payouts and high competition.

 

[Smcarroll]

couldn't agree more. I have met plenty of former military guys that were total pieces of shit, but when they played the veteran card people looked at them as hero's.

 

[SPEAK338]

Damn I was hoping for another Nonaka story

 

[Victor N TN]

I am a RO for USPSA. Or should I say I used to be. From about 1983 to 1994. When we went to Range Officer class it was for 2 days and we had to pass a test at the end before we could pass. If after we graduated (?) anyone were to cheat, they would have been banned from the club. No exceptions.

 

[Dirty D]

bullshit. LEO's, retired or not, should always be held to the same standard. they are supposed to be the best of the best, our lawkeepers. when they cheat or break laws what example are they setting?

Fixed it for you.

 

[fargo007]

From what I can see, USPSA is by far the king of all prize tables. Companies push each other out of the way to throw products into these matches like they do for no other shooting sport.

The ones I shot in were not even major ones and there was at LEAST $10K retail value on the table including rifles, pistols, uppers, cash, etc.

"......follow the money....."

I don't believe this guy is the tip of a giant shit-iceberg in USPSA, but I also don't believe he's the only one to ever do it.

--Fargo007

 

[Smcarroll]

Fixed it for you.

I bet I know what you do for a living.

 

[Unknown]

Cheating scandals like this can make sponsors very leery of supporting the events. If USPSA doesn't show an aggressive movement to eliminate and cure things like this, it could really kill the generosity of sponsors, and so it should. Cheating by anyone is unacceptable.

To suggest that it is more egregious one group of people (law enforcement) to cheat than another one, is to indirectly suggest that it is less bad to cheat if you aren't law enforcement. That is a position that I completely reject. Cheating is cheating, regardless of who you are, and I don't care if you are law enforcement, a priest, the pope, a doctor, or a judge. Cheating needs to be treated as harshly as possible.

If I were running the show, I would ban for life anyone who was a blatant cheat. Unintentional human errors are one thing, cheating is completely different.

 

[lash]

^^^Exactly!^^^ I agree completely with this post.

 

[Dirty D]

I bet I know what you do for a living.

Used to do bitches, used to... Now respect my authoritay!

 

[Fuzynuts]

Sure everyone should be honest, but the power a cop wields can ruin peoples lives.

If an RO wants to be above suspicion...show the shot timer for every competitor.

 

[427Cobra]

After you hear, slide down hammer down holster, ask to see the timer, if people don't do this they are to blame not scum bag ROs.

 

[Fuzynuts]

After you hear, slide down hammer down holster, ask to see the timer, if people don't do this they are to blame not scum bag ROs.

Well there is some backward ass thinking.

 

[427Cobra]

Well there is some backward ass thinking.

Ok please explain why

 

[EddieNFL]

Damn I was hoping for another Nonaka story

Sad.

After you hear, slide down hammer down holster, ask to see the timer, if people don't do this they are to blame not scum bag ROs.

I disagree. Not checking may make you naive, but does not leave the RO/SO blameless.

 

[shoot4fun]

After you hear, slide down hammer down holster, ask to see the timer, if people don't do this they are to blame not scum bag ROs.

As someone who has shot USPSA for years and been a part of the production and operation of some bigger matches I would say this;
USPSA shooters are for the most part a "family". We expect (and regularly see) the rules fairly applied to all shooters up to and including the top tier professionals. In fact, I don't know a single one of them that would have it any other way. Simply said, most of us don't (now didn't) expect our "family" to screw us over. They come to the range to out shoot us and not bag us with extra time or penalties.
In larger scale matches I always checked the timer and walked thru the stage when it was scored but rarely in local matches. If someone wants to cheat me to try and win there then they are really a sad person. Anyway, I can usually make it easy to beat me by doing something dumb.

 

[pawprint2]

I'd be interested in seeing a comparison between "large" match averages and local match averages. If a group of competitors consistently perform worse when they don't "know" the ROs, than when they do when (competing) shoot at their favorite local range matches, then it would be easy to conclude systemic cheating etc. Just because some one always checks the timer-does not mean there isn't collusion between others. Sumo wrestling was "outed" by a mathematician. He was able to predict winners-not by his wrestling knowledge, but rather by which wrestler would be most hurt financially by a loss. Is there a correlation? Perhaps there is. Comparing Local match scores vs. fair and openly recorded "large" match scores- if a consistent significant difference arose, the answer becomes clearer.

 

[Victor N TN]

I shot the Tennessee State Matches at Oak Ridge for several years. And every monthly shoot. I never had a problem with any of the other ROs. It was kind of routine for me and most of the others to SHOW the shot timer to the shooter when he finished. In my whole time doing it the only problems I ever had were checking someone else's rounds over the chronograph, and they fuss and gripe because their loads in cold weather didn't make Major Power Factor. But it was usually accepted and they went on.

 

[Unknown]

I used to shoot lots of USPSA matches. I worked in a profession where I saw the worst humanity had to offer of itself on a daily basis. The guys at the gun club provided me with a balance to see that not everyone is out to ruin it for all humanity. I would frequently get chastised for signing my score sheet before the score was written down. I knew that the standard behavior was to look at the timer, double check my score, and then sign the sheet if everything was right.

I decided that I would take a chance on trusting guys at the gun club to not cheat me outright. I was willing to accept the normal mistakes that all of us humans make. I don't abide cheats, or liars, and decided that I would simply quit attending if that became the case. It never was a problem. Mistakes would happen, and those were fine with me.

We need to keep in mind that the RO's, judges, and cops all come from the same population base as the rest of us. As such, there is just as much likelihood that some cheating will happen. I don't accept, or condone it, but I understand it is something that many humans choose to do.

I try to look at people in a more charitable light. I guess I don't want to go through life believing that the majority of people are out there to screw, or cheat me. I still think that if someone (regardless of background) deliberately cheats, they should be banned from further participation. Just like Lance Armstrong.