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Vegas Pursuit and Shootout

Redmanss

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Nice find redman. Jesus I’ve never seen a guy shoot through their own windshield before. Looks like he tagged that guy before he opened the door?
 
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If you watch it again, the officer is right handed, but at the very last when he ran dry, he was shooting with his left hand out the window. He got crossed up on the weak/non-dexterous side emergency reload.

Tough to do from the inside of a car...while driving...while taking rounds. He got it done though, and moved to cover as soon as he got out of the car. That is shit hot if you ask me.
 
I was less talking about the transition and mag change (difficult to do in that situation but training would certainly help with that), and more about him wrapping his non-firing hand's thumb around the backside of his firing hand while firing with two hands. On a revolver, fine and a common technique, but on a semi it typically ends up poorly.
 
I was less talking about the transition and mag change (difficult to do in that situation but training would certainly help with that), and more about him wrapping his non-firing hand's thumb around the backside of his firing hand while firing with two hands. On a revolver, fine and a common technique, but on a semi it typically ends up poorly.
Didn’t notice that until you pointed it out. That is a terrible grip
 
I got to admit that I was wrong.

After watching it some more, the officer is actually firing with the right hand at the last. He switches the gun to his left hand and reloads with his right, which is why the magazine comes out of the mag holder backwards. No telling what he was thinking, but he still did a great job. I've seen worse reactions during training scenarios using simunitions.

The part of the video I was most impressed with though was the steady , relatively calm, stream of accurate communication he was putting out as the lone officer in pursuit. It is extremely difficult to keep the tunnel vision and emotions at bay, while continuing to watch traffic, call out speed, direction and land marks, all the while keeping an eye on the suspect vehicle.
 
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He absolutely did a great job on all that.

I'll just say I'd support up to a $5 raise in my annual local taxes so long as local law enforcement are mandated quarterly training of a minimum 250 rounds of situational drills on the range. Every officer I've talked to or worked with told me they never get that type of shooting without being assigned to a type of tactical team.

I hope his fellow officers are razzing him about his grip on that Glock as much as my co-workers did the time I fired off a shot from a .357 Rhino revolver (the kind where the barrel orients with the bottom cylinder) with a Glock type hand hold to it, and peppered the shit out of my forward thumb. I was picking gunpowder flakes out of my thumb for a month, and was as much of a lesson reinforcement as being called "Thumbs" for a week.
 
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Looked like he was trying to reload a revolver
That is a good observation, that's exactly what it looked like. If you look close, you can see several service stripes on the left cuff of the uniform, a veteran officer, so it is very possible he started with a revolver.
 
He absolutely did a great job on all that.

I'll just say I'd support up to a $5 raise in my annual local taxes so long as local law enforcement are mandated quarterly training of a minimum 250 rounds of situational drills on the range. Every officer I've talked to or worked with told me they never get that type of shooting without being assigned to a type of tactical team.

I hope his fellow officers are razzing him about his grip on that Glock as much as my co-workers did the time I fired off a shot from a .357 Rhino revolver (the kind where the barrel orients with the bottom cylinder) with a Glock type hand hold to it, and peppered the shit out of my forward thumb. I was picking gunpowder flakes out of my thumb for a month, and was as much of a lesson reinforcement as being called "Thumbs" for a week.
Yeah, I agree with you totally about the lack of training available to most officers. Though, you would think that LV Metro would have a better training budget than most.
 
That is a good observation, that's exactly what it looked like. If you look close, you can see several service stripes on the left cuff of the uniform, a veteran officer, so it is very possible he started with a revolver.
I don’t know if he did it out of habit, I thought it just worked out that way. However, you may have a point being that redman pointed out his left thumb crossing behind the right. Looking at it again, I think you are correct
 
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If you watch it again, the officer is right handed, but at the very last when he ran dry, he was shooting with his left hand out the window. He got crossed up on the weak/non-dexterous side emergency reload.

Tough to do from the inside of a car...while driving...while taking rounds. He got it done though, and moved to cover as soon as he got out of the car. That is shit hot if you ask me.

I watched this yesterday on Facebook and I couldn't help but laugh at all the keyboard commandos. No he didn't do everything perfectly but under the circumstances I think he did a great job. I was impressed with the officers communication, driving and ability to shoot during the chase as well. That's definitely not an every day training scenario lol. It makes me think about the amount of practice I need to do especially weak handed.
 
Yeah, I agree with you totally about the lack of training available to most officers. Though, you would think that LV Metro would have a better training budget than most.
I thought the same, but in my interactions I've found that just isn't the case. A good friend and old Marine buddy of mine is on Long Beach PD in Cali, as was his now ex wife. Big department, tons of money for training, but the typical officer like his wife never used it and only did the minimum annual qual, whereas my buddy who was also SWAT spent 25% of his paid time on training and took many off time courses on his own. Long story short, shots fired and officer down call came across, he heard his wife call over she was responding. He immediately called her and told her to stay the fuck away, that if she wants to respond to those calls then she needs to do what he told her and go to the range more than once a year, otherwise she was going to get killed.

We would always hear the joke "If the minimum isn't enough, then why is it the minimum?" In government work, shit doesn't happen unless it's mandatory and that's why I say the additional training needs to be mandatory. Dozens upon dozens of man hours and thousands of tax dollars are spent on training, yet most departments have a firearms training requirement of at best semi-annual qualification with no situational shooting that they're not well adapted to because of standardized training.

When I contracted in Afghanistan, we had hundreds of US police from across the country working on our program as mentors, and I ran the training section there for two years so I would see them all fresh off the plane from a three week workup for their quals and again every six months for requalification. While they were certainly decent with a pistol on a static line, they knew they were not well prepared for a dynamic situation including their carbines because they lacked exposure to it. We put together a one week shooting and driving course and by the end of it, they had shot as many rounds in that week as many had shot in their career, instilling foundations that more than a few came back after being in a contact situation and thanked us for training them to survive and win the fight.

It's a failure on both the department/government heads and the citizenry that our officers are not getting the skills they need. As much as people want to fault officers when a shoot goes wrong, the question also needs to be asked what part of their training was lacking that may have led to it.

Perhaps I'm drawing too many conclusions from this one incident, I'll definitely say again that the officer did a great job and even a sloppy win is still a win, but damn did it skyline a shortcoming in training.
 
I watched this yesterday on Facebook and I couldn't help but laugh at all the keyboard commandos. No he didn't do everything perfectly but under the circumstances I think he did a great job. I was impressed with the officers communication, driving and ability to shoot during the chase as well. That's definitely not an every day training scenario lol. It makes me think about the amount of practice I need to do especially weak handed.
Oh yeah he got it done. I think I could have done that but I don’t know for sure. Definitely not a common day
 
I got to admit that I was wrong.

After watching it some more, the officer is actually firing with the right hand at the last. He switches the gun to his left hand and reloads with his right, which is why the magazine comes out of the mag holder backwards. No telling what he was thinking, but he still did a great job. I've seen worse reactions during training scenarios using simunitions.

The part of the video I was most impressed with though was the steady , relatively calm, stream of accurate communication he was putting out as the lone officer in pursuit. It is extremely difficult to keep the tunnel vision and emotions at bay, while continuing to watch traffic, call out speed, direction and land marks, all the while keeping an eye on the suspect vehicle.

I see this quite often at IDPA/USPSA matches. Some (usually inexperienced) shooters are unable to do everything with the gun in their dominant hand.