Once you slap a barrel on, isn't RimX, Ultimatum Deuce, and V22 all the same price? In terms of "innovation" I think the Deuce with the 60 degree throw and 6pm firing pin has the most advances, though V22 will soon outpace that later this year.
what do you mean the v22 will outpace it later this year
New V22 coming out later this year. Should have everything everyone else has + more.
If Deuce would be ready NOW I would order one... but end of March .. meaning probably early mid April, brings it pretty close to V22's timeline. I'm going to hold off and just use my custom T1X for a bit more. I might start shopping for some R700 chassis deals though.
I’m sure RimX is exceptional. But since they use the prefit barrel system, I wonder if you can potentially lose any accuracy. At the same time, Mile High made a prefit 260 barrel for my AIAT that shoots 1/3 MOA. So I don’t know.
I ordered a RimX. Like Jbell, those of you that know me, know I've spent tens of thousands of dollars trying to get to this point. I believe the RimX is going to be "the one." I'm ordering the rest of those that released this year too... because if there's one thing I'm certain of, it's this: Using them all, for at least 10,000rnds each, is the only way to see where they are in the hierarchy. By the end of the year, I'll have that all figured out.
In the mean time, looking at each on the technical merits, the RimX is quite a bit farther ahead than the rest, from a design standpoint. Time will tell if they are able to execute it properly with each unit sold. It isn't as if they are new to action building, so this is a pretty small concern.
The forward compatibility with 17WSM, is a huge deal. That cartridge is quite good.
It's a great time to be in this. ... and some of you would be good to remember that this is an old fight. Some of us have been doing the rimfire trainer thing for 20 years or more. It's been a long pursuit, and all of these options showing up at once is quite a big deal. So for those that would poo-poo any newcomers... the only thing you're revealing is your ignorance.
You can reference back to this post in the future... but my prediction is that by this time next year, the RimX will be the clear winner of all this.
No matter which one you choose, more competitors means better products, in performance and all other aspects. The top tier on any industry always says bring it, they want the competition if only to prove they are the best. Either way, it means we are in the golden age of rimfire in my opinion. It’s only going to get better from here. As someone said above, better actions means better barrels....which means better stocks, better scopes and most importantly, eventually we will see better ammo! What more could a rimfire shooter want?!?
Let the games begin!!!
1) What is Zermatt going to charge for extra magazines?
2) are the magazines plastic (looks like it in photo) or metal?
Agreed. It would make magazine swapping a headache if two different stocks/chassis wanted different heights. I wish more DBM manufacturers made use of an adjustable mag catch like MPA.At SHOT, I was told $125 for the magazines. They are billet aluminum and have built in adjustable mag catch points. It's cool in that the magazines can be adjusted to the rifle setup (e.g. varying chassis and/or bottom metal), but I would rather make the adjustment on the gun for the magazines.
If the adjustment was on the rifle... that would require proprietary bottom metal.
Assigning mags to individual rifles is considered a good practice anyway. Each rifle system has its own mags, numbered... so failures can be tracked and remedied.
I'd MUCH rather have the adjustment on the mags. This a is a huge factor in ensuring positive feeding. I still have a prototype laying around of a similar mag I created which had a similar feature. Big win from zermatt here.
... but does anyone else wish they kept the "bighorn" name? I sure do. lol
I get that, but I am not a fan of spending $675 for dedicated mags for feeding both my rifle and my wife's. I am not rolling in cash and there is SO much stuff I'd rather buy with that money. And you can number mags anyways and track them without them being dedicated - not sure what that has to do with it. Either way, to each their own.
It's the simple fact that in the rimfire world it is very common to need specifically tuned magazines for each and every rifle. The height those rims sit at is of paramount importance to the functioning of an action. This isn't a centerfire we're talking about here. Nor is it some semi-auto blaster. Accuracy and precision is expected, and with that comes very specific requirements from the magazine. While it may be inconvenient that the mags are viewed as "expensive" by some, this does not negate the fact that certain mags simply will not work correctly in other rifles when tuned for a specific action. This is true even in the centerfire world when dealing with finicky cartridges. Just because a magazine is timed right for one rifle, doesn't mean it will be for another.
Magazines are part of a system, just because you often "can" swap them to other rifles, doesn't mean you should actively be doing that if it can be avoided. Your financial situation is irrelevant when weighed against the answer to a simple question: How would you suggest they solve the feeding issues presented by all the various chassis and DBM systems on the market without an adjustable magazine catch shelf?
A fully machined completely new proprietary mag with all the right features for $120, isn't what I'd call expensive. Financial considerations are irrelevant when you're spending several thousand dollars on a luxury item. That's a super cheap magazine, as far as I am concerned.
Frankly, I'm fucking sick of would-be outstanding products getting hamstrung due to people and their unwillingness to pay for quality. If this action and its associated mags function flawlessly, I could care less if the mags were $500 a piece. I'd still buy 4 of them for this rifle, at minimum. I hope zermatt charges as much as is required to properly service this system and guarantee complete functionality of every unit shipped. There are those of us that recognize just how big a project this was for them and will be rewarding them by paying whatever it is they ask. Just once, I'd like to see the price argument left out of the equation when discussing the merits of a product. As if we don't have enough piece of shit rifle systems built for price in this world.
@AFancyPenguin don't think this is aimed squarely at you. No offense intended... but rather a wake up call for people that want to complain about price all the time. There is more to life.
I don't agree with the implication that you need to spend money to get good stuff. I think there is way, way to much overpaying in the shooting sports due to the logos.
i wonder if u get one mag with the barreled action? I do have an action and barrel on pre order, but couldn't get an answer on the mags
Here's a good exercise for you:
1) Design a magazine.
2) Machine or print prototypes.
3) Tweak and perfect that design.
4) Invest in raw materials and machine time to create a production run.
5) Price them where they need to be to be even moderately worth the effort.
If you can get through that list of items, and end up with a perfectly functioning, low-cost, and readily available item that you can sustain... you will truly have accomplished something. If you can launch said product without someone on the internet complaining of its price... then you might just be the greatest entrepreneur in history.
Quality costs. This is a fact. If anyone could do it, then the "logos" as you put it... would have no value. Instead, the logo's have value because of the total value proposition they bring to the table. Service, after the sale, as it were.
I'm not agreeing, or disagreeing with you. I'm not upset. I have no feelings about you or your statements, other than its obvious some perspective is required. I'm simply offering that perspective. I have no care if you accept it or not, because you aren't the only one here. The process of creating products such as this is not to be taken for granted, and should be rewarded. What if the magazines were $50, but did not work? Would you be happier, because you were able to buy more of the non-functioning magazines cheaper? The idea that things cost what they cost simply because they can and will gouge the customer is not realistic. Once people have attempted to manufacture and bring a product to market themselves, they will see it much differently.
I ordered an Ultimatum Deuce ... it's a winner too.
But the RimX is a Rimfire action and not a .22 one. The magazine actually doesn't fit in several of the other actions as designed. It's geometry was meticulously adjusted to limit any influence on the round as the bolt is run. It's machined, not molded.
Talking with Vudoo, Ultimatum, Zermatt, this stuff is moving to the next level.