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When do you carry.

#51
Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> No point in staying alive if you cant live.

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It's so easy to avoid trouble in the first place...</div></div>

I agree about avoiding trouble, but there are times when trouble can't be avoided.

What if a man steps in front of you and has a weapon? Are you going to outrun him? Outrun the bullets?

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I know what you're saying but I think my geographical location helps in my ability to avoid trouble. Now if I were to move back to Albuquerque, I'd carry 24/7, here I don't have to because of the demographics of my location. </div></div>


24/7/365.
 
#52
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Socalsheepdog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Socalsheepdog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: epdesign</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
my personal thought is all states should allow you to carry BUT unlike our state it should be a lot more involved than taking a class and watching a few videos. it should require quarterly qualification a minimum of 1 hour a month logged at the range and an advanced shooting class at least once every 2 years.

sorry for my rant i can go on and on its not about the rite to carry its about being QUALIFIED </div></div>

I agree with the qualification requirement. If your state is "shall issue" you should have to prove you know how to use your firearm. It would really boost the industry as well. More ranges, more gun sales, more people working as instructors and range masters etc. Best of all, people would start viewing guns as a tool rather than a problem. People would want to TRAIN and that is rare. The only problem with this is the bureaucracy it would create. </div></div>
I think a qualification requirement would be bull. First what if I think you shouldn't carry and have nothing to back it up with? What if you missed your once a month shooting hour and loose the right to carry? Do you think that this has anything to do with "Rights" I say they have their hands on enough gun laws we don't need anymore. If you give a mouse a cookie comes to mind. Your first hint that you were off base is when you spelled "rites" The other thing is who the hell are you to say one can or cannot protect his life? I could go on and on with this subject but at the end of the day I hope you don't carry becouse you fit the mental bill of not being able to own a gun. </div></div>

If I was in charge of issuing permits, I would not issue to people who are into Dungeons and Dragons.

Also being an author as you seem to be, I am surprised to see you make such weak arguments. Are you really going to invalidate epdesign's position based on a spelling mistake. Your Ad Hominem attack is really unproductive. </div></div>
First of all I am sorry you lack the knowledge and common sense to not understand what I was saying. I never played dungeons and dragons like you did. I wrote the book for my kids who are the main characters within the story. Everyone has the right to protect his life and an obligation to protect his families and those around him. I personally have had to use my gun to prevent a crime when someone tried to stop my car on the highway then ran to the passenger door demanding me to open my door while screaming profanities at me. He started to lift his jacket so I didn’t remove the gun from the holster but simply lifted my shirt to let the guy know I was armed. He quickly jumped back saying “It’s all cool, it’s all cool man.” This happened on a street I drive nearly every day in a busy part of town where there is lots of people in daylight. I just think that we have given people the say of what we can and cannot do based on fear and letting our liberties go to anti-gun protesters who don’t have our interest at heart. I think there is enough laws now without giving big brother anymore leverage. If you thought the argument was weak I am sorry you have no common sense. Stop playing role playing games in your moms basement and move on with your life. JMHO
 
#54
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

+1 on the above rant. While IL is still a no-carry state, it has always been of great concern to me when comparing requirements for CCW in some states versus the HUNDREDS of hours a police officer must qualify with a weapon,
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Spoken like some one that has been indoctrinated into the anti gun culture.

What's more dangerous to society - Granny that can't hit the broadside of a barn beyond 7 yrds but has enough sense not to draw unless she really needs to, or a gang banger?


Bonus question - what makes for a greater general level of safety in society - every granny that can not hit the broadside of a barn but has enough sense not to draw unless she really needs to - armed and walking around? Disarming everyone but the gangbanger?


Good luck
 
#55
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Socalsheepdog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I rolled my D20 and got a 12, the Dungeon Master said you can't post here any more. Sorry. </div></div>

Dude - way to much knowledge of the subject.....I'm just sayin



Good luck
 
#58
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I carry on Tuesdays from 3:07 pm to 3:23 pm and anytime a Jehovah's Witness type comes to my door.




Good luck </div></div>

Now that made me laugh…..it's the exact times that I carry!!
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#59
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: epdesign</div><div class="ubbcode-body">very rarely.

this topic is one near and dear to me. i know a few people that carry a gun every where they go and they are the least qualified people to be carrying a gun. It bothers me so much that i make a point to be an ass about it. i work with them every day and when i see there gun tucked into there belt i always make a smart ass comment to the like you know i can take that gun out of your belt and beat you with it before you even have time to react. I brought my .45 in on day and let them soot it the one guy was 10 ft away from a 2 liter bottle and missed it by more than 3 ft the other guy is like 5'5" and 120lbs and is afraid of his own shadow. my point here is just because you state allows you to carry does not qualify you to carry.

my personal thought is all states should allow you to carry BUT unlike our state it should be a lot more involved than taking a class and watching a few videos. it should require quarterly qualification a minimum of 1 hour a month logged at the range and an advanced shooting class at least once every 2 years.

the other day a guy came up to the shop because his car broke down in front of the shop. because the guy was black one of the guys i am talking about comes running down the stairs with his gun behind his back safety off and his finger on the trigger. he meets the guy at the door holding his gun behind his back the entire time with his finger on the trigger. after the guy left i went off i asked why he need a gun to talk to the guy and if he gave any thought to the 3 people working behind him while he held a loaded gun pointed in there direction with his finger on the trigger.

sorry for my rant i can go on and on its not about the rite to carry its about being QUALIFIED </div></div>

+1 on the above rant. While IL is still a no-carry state, it has always been of great concern to me when comparing requirements for CCW in some states versus the HUNDREDS of hours a police officer must qualify with a weapon, evaluate stressful situations, interpreting the law and proper application of force and deadly force. Now consider that a staggering amount of officers in this country are deficient in 1 or more of those areas. I don't want to consider how many guys are out there carrying weapons they are not proficient with, for the wrong reasons, and with no idea of what consequences could await them if/when they fuck up.

That said, I carry as logistics and circumstance deem it to be reasonable. I recall speaking with a (former) fellow officer about his vacation plans. He scratched California from his road trip because he "couldn't figure out a viable option for carrying his Glock 27 concealed at the beach." No point in staying alive if you cant live.

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"Hundreds of hours" a police officer must qualify with a weapon"?? That is downright fucking laughable. Most of the "only ones" only shoot their weapon once a quarter or so when they are required to qualify and then they only pass because it's a government job (which means they are paid with the peoples money). I on the other hand do and have spent hundreds of hours shooting my weapons and if I need to defend myself I don't need to diall 911 for some "only one" other than to take notes and clean up.

Let me tell you something, you moron, people like you are what's wrong with this country and why we are in the shitpool we are in.

How's that hopey, changey thing working out for you?

One more thing, if you want me to provide you evidence of how corrupt and unworthy of carrying weapons a large percentage of the LEO community is, it will probably take me about 60 seconds to do so. Your call.

(BTW, I have a nephew who is a Sheriff's Deputy and SWAT team member who will be happy to verify anything I have posted here. Thank God, for men like him!)
 
#60
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Socalsheepdog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I rolled my D20 and got a 12, the Dungeon Master said you can't post here any more. Sorry. </div></div>

Dude - way to much knowledge of the subject.....I'm just sayin



Good luck </div></div>

I had to Google for the knowledge to make the post. I really hated that shit growing up. Just trying to be humorous. Excellent ehow video on it.

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Also just so everyone knows what page I am on, I just simply like the idea that those who carry, know how to use it. I really don't worry about people I comm with here or on other firearms related boards, they are pretty squared away. I just want to see a larger percentage of the population who want to carry trained up. It's good for them, it's good for anyone standing near the broadside of a barn and it's good for the country. Of course like I stated in my first post, I would not be happy with the bureaucracy it would create and I certainly don't think the Govt could even run a program like that, it completely goes against the FEAR agenda they have. Empowering citizens is not part of their plan. I agree with all of you, give everyone the right to carry who is not a shitbag, period.
 
#61
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I carry all the time. If I was going into a situation I thought I was gonna need it in, I would A not go or B bring something a whole hell of alot better than my ccw pistol.

I live out in BFE, we run into lots of weird stuff out here so maybe that is what sways my carry schedule.
 
#62
Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> No point in staying alive if you cant live.

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It's so easy to avoid trouble in the first place...</div></div>

I agree about avoiding trouble, but there are times when trouble can't be avoided.

What if a man steps in front of you and has a weapon? Are you going to outrun him? Outrun the bullets?

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Are you going to draw your weapon as he's squeezing two rounds into you?

If a man steps in front of me with a weapon there is no time - I train and train and TRAIN 7 different ways to disarm that gun.

But I also do not carry a ton of cash wiht me, if it's between me, my daughter, or my g/f and he just wants the wallet- have at it - there's no shame in that.

But if that gun is within arms reach, it's mine.

Being that I am now unemployed however, I can carry whatever I want whenever I want and I generally do.
 
#63
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Enumclawshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious when do you guys carry. All the time, just when you think it needed ect.. Me just when I think it necessary. Unfamiliar area ext. But leaning to all the time. </div></div>

All the time, I'll take my chances with the good people of Alabama, or whatever state I might be in. Last time I checked the ER or the Coroner's table is not a place I prefer to visit, and I will not allow my family members to be upon either.

Just remember if you ever have to use it, don't play around, use it properly. Let the guys with chalk and markers respond after, because they don't show up before, that I know of.

Situational awareness and your inter voice are your best indicators prior to. Once you pull the trigger and connect, your life will change forever.
 
#65
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I carry at all times except at work, where i am not allowed by our rules. with that being said, i do go and put in tons of range time every time i am at home.
 
#66
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
JCH said:
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?
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Are you really that fucking stupid to ask that question?

I guess reasonable answers like the following don't qualify in your morally superior world....

attending school (Numerous colleges and 29 high schools since 2000)
going to work (413 people in workplace shootings in 2008)
serving your country (Ft. Hood)
going to the mall (Trolley Sq. Salt Lake City, Omaha Nebraska)
going out to eat (Killeen, San Ysidro)
going to church......etc etc etc

It's very nice of you to offer your advice, however, due to your inability to recognize that there is a significant chance of risk even while utilizing good situational awareness, I will decide when and where I carry....thanks
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#67
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
JCH said:
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?
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Are you really that fucking stupid to ask that question?

I guess reasonable answers like the following don't qualify in your morally superior world....

attending school (Numerous colleges and 29 high schools since 2000)
going to work (413 people in workplace shootings in 2008)
serving your country (Ft. Hood)
going to the mall (Trolley Sq. Salt Lake City, Omaha Nebraska)
going out to eat (Killeen, San Ysidro)
going to church......etc etc etc

It's very nice of you to offer your advice, however, due to your inability to recognize that there is a significant chance of risk even while utilizing good situational awareness, I will decide when and where I carry....thanks
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Never recalled suggesting when you carry. Frankly, I don't care. If you actually took the time to read the post, it was in response to a scenario that:

1)Could be prevented prior to being forced into a position that required such force

2)Is really just a sad fantasy and tired cliche of the lone gunman fending of the knife-weilding thug in a dark alley. What is this a fucking batman comic? The real-life scenarios are random as hell (as you mentioned), but the high-profile active shooter scenarios are still few and far between in the grand scheme of things. That is why I included a local story of something more "common" in my area. Please feel free to chime in on what you would do.

Again, i'm sorry you disagree with my practices and ideas. Nowhere in your post did you come close to anything I have mentioned. I award you no points, and my God have mercy on your soul.
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#68
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: epdesign</div><div class="ubbcode-body">very rarely.

this topic is one near and dear to me. i know a few people that carry a gun every where they go and they are the least qualified people to be carrying a gun. It bothers me so much that i make a point to be an ass about it. i work with them every day and when i see there gun tucked into there belt i always make a smart ass comment to the like you know i can take that gun out of your belt and beat you with it before you even have time to react. I brought my .45 in on day and let them soot it the one guy was 10 ft away from a 2 liter bottle and missed it by more than 3 ft the other guy is like 5'5" and 120lbs and is afraid of his own shadow. my point here is just because you state allows you to carry does not qualify you to carry.

my personal thought is all states should allow you to carry BUT unlike our state it should be a lot more involved than taking a class and watching a few videos. it should require quarterly qualification a minimum of 1 hour a month logged at the range and an advanced shooting class at least once every 2 years.

the other day a guy came up to the shop because his car broke down in front of the shop. because the guy was black one of the guys i am talking about comes running down the stairs with his gun behind his back safety off and his finger on the trigger. he meets the guy at the door holding his gun behind his back the entire time with his finger on the trigger. after the guy left i went off i asked why he need a gun to talk to the guy and if he gave any thought to the 3 people working behind him while he held a loaded gun pointed in there direction with his finger on the trigger.

sorry for my rant i can go on and on its not about the rite to carry its about being QUALIFIED </div></div>

+1 on the above rant. While IL is still a no-carry state, it has always been of great concern to me when comparing requirements for CCW in some states versus the HUNDREDS of hours a police officer must qualify with a weapon, evaluate stressful situations, interpreting the law and proper application of force and deadly force. Now consider that a staggering amount of officers in this country are deficient in 1 or more of those areas. I don't want to consider how many guys are out there carrying weapons they are not proficient with, for the wrong reasons, and with no idea of what consequences could await them if/when they fuck up.

That said, I carry as logistics and circumstance deem it to be reasonable. I recall speaking with a (former) fellow officer about his vacation plans. He scratched California from his road trip because he "couldn't figure out a viable option for carrying his Glock 27 concealed at the beach." No point in staying alive if you cant live.

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That is some of the stupidest shit I have read for the past few days. Of course, these two arguments would be coming from someone in Illinois and Delaware...

So, basically, what I read from epdesign, was that you dont carry because you know some dumb asses that do. That alone, is retarded, and doesn't make any sense. Just take comfort in knowing that you have, "...the rite to carry," because you are, "QUALIFIED"

Also, to say that LE spend "HUNDREDS" of hours qualifying and practicing, is ridiculous. Do you even know anyone in Law Enforcement, Pointblank?
 
#69
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Yes,

And again, I deem being "qualified" to use and carry a firearm to include: law review, use of force police, patrol tactics and observation.

In the academy alone I recall:

40 hours of law/court protocol
30 hours of firearms handling
16-20 hours of patrol tactics
8 hours of rapid response/active shooter

That's just shy of 100 right there

My department alone has 4 mandated annual shoots (not counting quals) Each session is 4 hours. We also have optional monthly "free shoots" attended by about 20% of the dept. Neighboring agencies offer simliar schedules.

CT/Use of force is on the same schedule.

Those who are on tactical teams get 10-20 hours/ month of training that is loaded with shoot/no-shoot scenarios.

We are required to attend annual law reviews and use of force policies.

By the time an officer is off of probation, he/she should have had at least 200 hours of time relating to when, how and why to use their pistol.

Again, this pales in comparison as to how much they SHOULD do, but is better than what MANY do.

And despite all of this, there are CONSTANT fuck-ups.....ask the fellas of Vegas METRO. Some officers know what they are doing.....a lot of them don't. Same goes for the public.


And i'll be the first to admit, I honestly believe over 75% of the people I encounter are morons who can barely remember to feed and bathe themselves, much less make a split-second life/death decision.
 
#70
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So you are saying you are all for fully controlled and registered right of the citizen to defend themselves, and against "shall issue" firearms rights? Just clarifying your point....

Training that a POST certified LE officer receives being compared to what an individual citizen needs to enjoy the right to defend themselves borders on the rediculous.
 
#71
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I believe in Responsible and intelligent carry be it LE, Civi, Mil. or who ever.

I believe a man has the DUTY (as rights can be taken) to defend himself and family from harm.

I also believe that some jackass mall ninja packing a hand cannon "cause the law says he can" is a walking hazard and needs to be stopped before he hurts someone.
 
#72
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I also believe that some jackass mall ninja packing a hand cannon "cause the law says he can" is a walking hazard and needs to be stopped before he hurts someone. </div></div>

That's the fun about rights, its the ones that make us cringe that are the most important. The mall ninja packing a hand cannon 'cause he can is excercising his rights and needs to be allowed to do so until he loses his right's by not understandinding the application of that very right.
When policing becomes preemptive rather than once a crime is committed, we are all screwed, because sooner or later someone won't like what you think is fine. Its also the reactionary nature of law enforcement that makes the right to defend one's self so important.

I carry whenever possible, and I think gunfighter14e2's most recent post is very astute.
 
#74
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I also believe that some jackass mall ninja packing a hand cannon "cause the law says he can" is a walking hazard and needs to be stopped before he hurts someone. </div></div>

Precisely the attitude that inspired my first post. For all of your listing your 100 hours of training you sincerely need to go back to POST for a legal review....Specifically those little items called Constitutional Rights.

So sorry you don't feel comfortable around us ninja's packing hand cannons....but tough shit....sure am happy I don't have the climb the steps of your ivory tower for permission and approval to protect myself.
 
#75
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe in Responsible and intelligent carry be it LE, Civi, Mil. or who ever.

I believe a man has the DUTY (as rights can be taken) to defend himself and family from harm.

I also believe that some jackass mall ninja packing a hand cannon "cause the law says he can" is a walking hazard and needs to be stopped before he hurts someone. </div></div>

I guess Lucky for you,the repressive laws of the State you live in don't give many the "Right" to do their "Duty" properly.At least this new law helps the average citizen a little:

http://www.concealcarry.org/illinois-carry/

Be willing to bet guys like you hate this,Dont'Cha ?
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#76
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Well see my other post - my Sensei's son in law was attacked by 3 punk teenagers with a knife or razor 1/2 mile up the road.

Granted he was walking down a dark unlit road at night but it used to be safe to do that.

I'm carrying 100% now.

But I'm still saying, if you don't have a back up plan when you can't reach that weapon - you better be able to do some backtracking..
 
#78
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The weapon is not the iron, it is the air sucker. I carry something everywhere, no matter what the law says. It may or not be a gun but it will still drop anyone like a rock anywhere.

Some folks get so fixated on a issue they get tunnel vision, which will get you killed even inside of a high Security area.

There is more than one way to stop people, that's just as deadly if not more so than a gun. The draw back is a much shorter standoff distance, but if you want to go home alive after spending 12-20hrs with LE over the trash you just took out, that's the price you pay.
 
#79
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I carry every day. Yes there are some dummies carrying but you are far more likely to be hurt/killed by either unqualified or distracted drivers on the road. A right is a right.....don't try to put any more stipulations on my rights. I think requiring the CCW permit is too much. Rights erode away in small barely noticeable increments.
 
#80
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2A doesn't say "<span style="font-style: italic">...the right of the trained and/or qualified...</span>", it says "<span style="font-style: italic">...the right of <span style="font-weight: bold">the people</span>...</span>".
 
#81
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I am with you on that. They didn't teach us the part about those rights only applying to people who filled out the form, paid the fee and passed the test. I love Vermont. The only requirement we have to carry a gun is.....a gun.

For the record I almost never carry, but like the choice and have one handy around the house.
 
#82
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The weapon is not the iron, it is the air sucker. I carry something everywhere, no matter what the law says. It may or not be a gun but it will still drop anyone like a rock anywhere.

Some folks get so fixated on a issue they get tunnel vision, which will get you killed even inside of a high Security area.

There is more than one way to stop people, that's just as deadly if not more so than a gun. The draw back is a much shorter standoff distance, but if you want to go home alive after spending 12-20hrs with LE over the trash you just took out, that's the price you pay. </div></div>

+1, I keep an Arnis stick in my truck and have been known to carry one around wiht me.
I have a walking stick/bo staff.

And also agree there should be no req uirement for a CWP - a right is a right...

I would LIKE everyone to get familiar wiht their weapon however.

One of hte idiots that is assisting the prosecutor and lives near the range they want to shut down has a glock and a 380 ruger, he's never shot either because he can't find a close "Indoor" range....keeps crying they should build it all indoors...

He should at least shoot the damn thing to get familiar with it if he wants to survive a gun fight...
 
#83
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I'm all for instuction (I should be, I'm an instructor), but you cannot make it mandatory, then we're regulating.

Once the AZ legislature was explained that CCW classes were just about the law and didn't adress actual shooting training, they were OK with making concealed carry legal for all adult non-prohibited possesors.
 
#84
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The saddest thing - more people in this country would get behind the idea of requirements for ownership and carry of a gun than for voting and parental rights.


*When* we get to that point - I want to be the one to both write and proctor the test for the last two.


Good luck
 
#85
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The saddest thing - more people in this country would get behind the idea of requirements for ownership and carry of a gun than for voting and parental rights.


*When* we get to that point - I want to be the one to both write and proctor the test for the last two.


Good luck </div></div>

Even sadder still is many of those who have sworn to uphold and protect those rights can't wait to buy a ticket on the regulation bus.
 
#86
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The saddest thing - more people in this country would get behind the idea of requirements for ownership and carry of a gun than for voting and <span style="font-weight: bold">parental rights</span>.


*When* we get to that point - I want to be the one to both write and proctor the test for the last two.


Good luck </div></div>Is that what my wife means when she says "I wish I was the lifeguard of the gene pool"?
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#87
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Anywhere I go. If I can't carry there I don't go there. I don't carry in the house though I do carry in the yard since we have some mistreated pitbulls for neighbors and I have my own dog and a little one to think of.
 
#88
Re: When do you carry.

The rules used to say we could not carry or possess a firearm on fire department property or in department vehicles. There have been some changes made and now we can have firearms in personal vehicles on department property. This was great except I have a take home vehicle and travel often in that vehicle. Just last year the policy was amended to cover out of town travel in department vehicles. I typically don't carry unless I am out shooting, hunting, or traveling. I don't usually worry though as my wife always has a gu in her purse and she doesn't leave home without it!
 
#89
Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes,

And again, I deem being "qualified" to use and carry a firearm to include: law review, use of force police, patrol tactics and observation.

In the academy alone I recall:

40 hours of law/court protocol
30 hours of firearms handling
16-20 hours of patrol tactics
8 hours of rapid response/active shooter

That's just shy of 100 right there

My department alone has 4 mandated annual shoots (not counting quals) Each session is 4 hours. We also have optional monthly "free shoots" attended by about 20% of the dept. Neighboring agencies offer simliar schedules.

CT/Use of force is on the same schedule.

Those who are on tactical teams get 10-20 hours/ month of training that is loaded with shoot/no-shoot scenarios.

We are required to attend annual law reviews and use of force policies.

By the time an officer is off of probation, he/she should have had at least 200 hours of time relating to when, how and why to use their pistol.

Again, this pales in comparison as to how much they SHOULD do, but is better than what MANY do.

And despite all of this, there are CONSTANT fuck-ups.....ask the fellas of Vegas METRO. Some officers know what they are doing.....a lot of them don't. Same goes for the public.


And i'll be the first to admit, I honestly believe over 75% of the people I encounter are morons who can barely remember to feed and bathe themselves, much less make a split-second life/death decision. </div></div>

Let me just say that I include <span style="font-weight: bold">YOU </span>on my list of morons.
 
#90
Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3PER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

And i'll be the first to admit, I honestly believe over 75% of the people I encounter are morons who can barely remember to feed and bathe themselves, much less make a split-second life/death decision. </div></div>

Let me just say that I include <span style="font-weight: bold">YOU </span>on my list of morons. </div></div>

I Have to agree with is 100%.This kind of Disdain and Air of Superiority by a LEO paid by Public Funds is Bullshit.Too bad he is not in an elected office,his constituents would love to see what he thinks about them.
 
#91
Re: When do you carry.

The two most important things to know for those carry every day / every where:

1) The law of the land
2) Which sites have metal detectors


One of these two is much more important than the other.


Good luck
 
#92
Re: When do you carry.

I am a cop. I carry all the time. I wish more people did. I really get ass chapped when other cops talk about all of the "requirements" they meet to carry. Some of the guys I work with are gun geek, gear queer guys like me. The majority only shoot when they have to and can hardly hit a bull in the ass when they do. Buy a gun. Learn to use it. Practice as much as you can afford. Hope you never have to find out if the practice pays off.
Patrick
 
#93
Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DODGE268</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am a cop. I carry all the time. I wish more people did. I really get ass chapped when other cops talk about all of the "requirements" they meet to carry. Some of the guys I work with are gun geek, gear queer guys like me. The majority only shoot when they have to and can hardly hit a bull in the ass when they do. Buy a gun. Learn to use it. Practice as much as you can afford. Hope you never have to find out if the practice pays off.
Patrick</div></div>

Solid words, sir.
 
#94
Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DODGE268</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The majority only shoot when they have to and can hardly hit a bull in the ass when they do.</div></div>

I always ask guys, "you don't like to shoot, you don't like sitting in a car all day, you don't like talking on a radio, wearing a vest etc, why are you a cop"? Doesn't make much sense to me. They are good guys but to be a cop and not like all fun toys that come with the job is weird to me.
 
#95
Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe in Responsible and intelligent carry be it LE, Civi, Mil. or who ever.

I believe a man has the DUTY (as rights can be taken) to defend himself and family from harm.

<span style="font-weight: bold">I also believe that some jackass mall ninja packing a hand cannon "cause the law says he can" is a walking hazard and needs to be stopped before he hurts someone</span>. </div></div>

The other 48 states with CCW have proven this time and time again. Everyday I read about shoot outs on main street, drunken cowboys on horses shooting up the town and all of that nasty stuff every where except Illinois. I am so happy there are people like you voting for our chance of CCW. In the mean time we will do as the Il State Police tell us to, carry a whistel and blow it to scare the bad guy off while we call 911.
 
#96
Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oldgrayone</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe in Responsible and intelligent carry be it LE, Civi, Mil. or who ever.

I believe a man has the DUTY (as rights can be taken) to defend himself and family from harm.

<span style="font-weight: bold">I also believe that some jackass mall ninja packing a hand cannon "cause the law says he can" is a walking hazard and needs to be stopped before he hurts someone</span>. </div></div>

The other 48 states with CCW have proven this time and time again. Everyday I read about shoot outs on main street, drunken cowboys on horses shooting up the town and all of that nasty stuff every where except Illinois. I am so happy there are people like you voting for our chance of CCW. In the mean time we will do as the Il State Police tell us to, carry a whistel and blow it to scare the bad guy off while we call 911. </div></div>

I have posted this link once before in this thread,those in Illinois need to read this:

http://www.concealcarry.org/illinois-carry/

It is not true "Concealed Carry" as some of us think of it.It does allow you to be armed with a Handgun within seconds of being ready.

"Better to be Judged by 12 than Carried by 6"
 
#97
Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: crazy bay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: epdesign</div><div class="ubbcode-body">very rarely.

this topic is one near and dear to me. i know a few people that carry a gun every where they go and they are the least qualified people to be carrying a gun. It bothers me so much that i make a point to be an ass about it. i work with them every day and when i see there gun tucked into there belt i always make a smart ass comment to the like you know i can take that gun out of your belt and beat you with it before you even have time to react. I brought my .45 in on day and let them soot it the one guy was 10 ft away from a 2 liter bottle and missed it by more than 3 ft the other guy is like 5'5" and 120lbs and is afraid of his own shadow. my point here is just because you state allows you to carry does not qualify you to carry.

my personal thought is all states should allow you to carry BUT unlike our state it should be a lot more involved than taking a class and watching a few videos. it should require quarterly qualification a minimum of 1 hour a month logged at the range and an advanced shooting class at least once every 2 years.

the other day a guy came up to the shop because his car broke down in front of the shop. because the guy was black one of the guys i am talking about comes running down the stairs with his gun behind his back safety off and his finger on the trigger. he meets the guy at the door holding his gun behind his back the entire time with his finger on the trigger. after the guy left i went off i asked why he need a gun to talk to the guy and if he gave any thought to the 3 people working behind him while he held a loaded gun pointed in there direction with his finger on the trigger.

sorry for my rant i can go on and on its not about the rite to carry its about being QUALIFIED </div></div>

+1 on the above rant. While IL is still a no-carry state, it has always been of great concern to me when comparing requirements for CCW in some states versus the HUNDREDS of hours a police officer must qualify with a weapon, evaluate stressful situations, interpreting the law and proper application of force and deadly force. Now consider that a staggering amount of officers in this country are deficient in 1 or more of those areas. I don't want to consider how many guys are out there carrying weapons they are not proficient with, for the wrong reasons, and with no idea of what consequences could await them if/when they fuck up.

That said, I carry as logistics and circumstance deem it to be reasonable. I recall speaking with a (former) fellow officer about his vacation plans. He scratched California from his road trip because he "couldn't figure out a viable option for carrying his Glock 27 concealed at the beach." No point in staying alive if you cant live.

</div></div>

That is some of the stupidest shit I have read for the past few days. Of course, these two arguments would be coming from someone in Illinois and Delaware...

So, basically, what I read from epdesign, was that you dont carry because you know some dumb asses that do. That alone, is retarded, and doesn't make any sense. Just take comfort in knowing that you have, "...the rite to carry," because you are, "QUALIFIED"

Also, to say that LE spend "HUNDREDS" of hours qualifying and practicing, is ridiculous. Do you even know anyone in Law Enforcement, Pointblank? </div></div>


take comfort in knowing i am qualifed huh. are you retarded, slow, stupid, what the fuck is me being qualifid going to to for me and my family if i am walking through a mall parking lot and one of my 3 kids drops dead from a stray bullet to the head because some dumb ass THOUGHT he was qualified to carry. i am one of the most PRO gun people and gun rights people you will ever meat. i am not PRO-STUPID just because you are qualified to breath does not mean you are qualified to carry. i dont carry because i can handle my self quite well and if the above happend i would not need a gun to quickly dispatch the person responsable. i dont carry 24/7 becaus i dont need a security blanket and im well endowed enough not to have to compensate. and when i do carry YES!! i am qualifed.
 
#98
Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oldgrayone</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe in Responsible and intelligent carry be it LE, Civi, Mil. or who ever.

I believe a man has the DUTY (as rights can be taken) to defend himself and family from harm.

<span style="font-weight: bold">I also believe that some jackass mall ninja packing a hand cannon "cause the law says he can" is a walking hazard and needs to be stopped before he hurts someone</span>. </div></div>

The other 48 states with CCW have proven this time and time again. Everyday I read about shoot outs on main street, drunken cowboys on horses shooting up the town and all of that nasty stuff every where except Illinois. I am so happy there are people like you voting for our chance of CCW. In the mean time we will do as the Il State Police tell us to, carry a whistel and blow it to scare the bad guy off while we call 911. </div></div>

I have posted this link once before in this thread,those in Illinois need to read this:

http://www.concealcarry.org/illinois-carry/

It is not true "Concealed Carry" as some of us think of it.It does allow you to be armed with a Handgun within seconds of being ready.

"Better to be Judged by 12 than Carried by 6" </div></div>

Sandrat,
all pro CCW people in the state are aware of the fanny pack loop hole but most local level gov. do not like it and your ass wll go to the klinker untill you prove them wrong. That is how the state works. ANd if you look at the DOC requirements for transporting the fanny pack will not for the bill. Our state is AFU.
 
#99
Re: When do you carry.

This thread is well-intentioned, but slightly off in its focus and naming.

When is it that we <span style="font-style: italic">don't</span> carry?
 
#100
Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This thread is well-intentioned, but slightly off in its focus and naming.

When is it that we <span style="font-style: italic">don't</span> carry? </div></div>
1. In the shower.
2. When there's a metal detector between me and where I need to go.
 
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