I am looking for another Gucci ar I am leaning rewards a jp rifle with an 18" barrel but I am not sure does anyone have suggestions on which jp I should get or another high end brand I know I want between a 16"-18" and weight doesn't matter because it's going to be on a tripod and I am left handed but open to suggestions I am trying to stay under 3500 for just the rifle and I want 223/556 no bigger
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I'm sure you will get a bunch of answers but I'm personally a huge fan of JP. Quality parts and exceptional accuracy.
If you want a JP, get a JP, they are awesome rifles.
For 3500 you can get pretty much whatever you want. I mostly shoot Knights and LMT stuff and there is definitely a point of diminishing results as you go up in price.
Various stuff I would check out for that price range.
LMT Spec War or Shovel nose.
B&T APC 223
HK MR556
Maybe a Sig Spear LT in 300BO with Can
I dont think theres really a wrong choice, it really depends on what you already have.
For 3500 you can get pretty much whatever you want. I mostly shoot Knights and LMT stuff and there is definitely a point of diminishing results as you go up in price.
Various stuff I would check out for that price range.
LMT Spec War or Shovel nose.
B&T APC 223
HK MR556
Maybe a Sig Spear LT in 300BO with Can
I dont think theres really a wrong choice, it really depends on what you already have.
What's your budget brother?
3500 for the rifle with no optics
I've done a lot of work with JP's parts and rifles, I can build you the best rifle money can buy for under your budget using the JP semi-auto chassis systems.
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If you're not concerned about weight I'd go with a 20" Barrel, I've spent hours on the phone talking with John Paul a few times and 20" barrels are The Sweet Spot for 223 and 308 as far as velocity, accuracy and Barrel harmonics.
One of my local dealers has an sci20 18" that I was thinking treading my noveske 9 towards but I don't know if I only want the lest side charge because I am left handed or do I want to wait and order the dual charge rifle
That's going to be personal preference the SCI-20 will be the foundation I would build off of, basically it would be the little brother of the LRI-20 I just finished, I'm currently in the middle of building the exact rifle I think you're looking for. Give me a second and I'll lay it all out for you.
The LRI-20 is in Black.
I have a JP, multiple LMT's and KAC's. I prefer the KAC... runs like a dream every time. Big fan of LMT and their easy change barrels. JP is what it is. Hate the handguard and IMO, just doesn't have the same robust quality of the others.
JP or SA .875 AGB / Rifle Length Gas $140/$130
American precision arms or HellFire MB $160
CLE 18"-20" Bartlein 1-7.7 Twist /M110 Contour/ CLE Match Chamber or Wylde, your choice. I'd go with the CLE M Chamber but I only shoot 77gr SMK's so depends on what projectiles you're planning to run $700
MagPul PRS Lite adjustable Stock $70
Trigger.. whatever you prefer I run TriggerTechs or Geissele, The MBT is a decent choice if you like it on the heavier side.
That's basically everything, and that still puts you under 3k. Also the above prices are MSRP so if you're MIL/LEO or first responder you can safely knock $10 off of that for parts and accessories.
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JP is fantastic - but this is right around your budget, too. I know you said weight isn't important, but this has a carbon fiber Proof barrel which is a good way to keep the rifle well-balanced on (or off) a tripod.
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Get a JP dual charge upper, I think it's called the PSC-21 these days. I have had one for several years, and it's superb. Mine runs a 20" barrel, so it's on the heavy side, but you said weight wasn't an issue. With the right load (77SMK and TAC or 77TMK's and 8208XBR) it shoots pretty consistently in 5/8"-3/4".
OP did indicate he wanted a "Gucci" AR. This is not the same as stating he wants an accurate AR, thus your suggestion would be spot on. I know MSTN has been around a long time, and I have heard that he builds accurate rifles, but I will never get on board with CF barrels. I have known so many people who have had them on their rifles only to turn around and ditch them. The primary reason amongst a few others being, they just can't maintain accuracy over sustained strings of fire.
OP - if I were to ask a clarifying question, such as, are you wanting a quality "precision" AR, or just something that looks cool? Also, if @bigjake83 is offering to put a rig together for you, I would just get his address, order the list of shit he provided you, have it all shipped to him, and wait for it to arrive.
If you want a "factory built" rig, just get the JP. I've got a couple KAC's and they are great rifles, they just aren't worth what they are going for in today's market (IMO, of course). I've read a lot of good things about LMT, but I have no personal experience with them.
Him and I talked over PM the other day, he's wanting something factory built, basically the easy button. He's still going JP so it's not like there's going to be any disappointment.
I just advised him to go the heavier 20" Medium contour JP barrel instead of the light weight 18".
Absolutely true. My JP has the 18" barrel, and it's an absolute hammer. Knowing what I know now, I do wish I had them put the 20", but I believe I'll survive. Everyday an education and every education in a day...
Seekins GAP with Bartlein is an excellent rifle.
Personally, if you have preferences to grip, trigger, charging handle etc, I’d just build a custom rifle with your favorite components.
I build off Seekins receivers because I like the pseudo-monorail fit of the hand guard to the receiver and not the barrel. Over the years I’ve found certain parts I prefer so this just makes sense. The Proof CF barrels are a bit overkill but they are sexy and accurate. Money’s not really rate limiting so I use them on some of my “Gucci” builds.
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Just read he’s wanting factory built.
Personally, if you have preferences to grip, trigger, charging handle etc, I’d just build a custom rifle with your favorite components.
I build off Seekins receivers because I like the pseudo-monorail fit of the hand guard to the receiver and not the barrel. Over the years I’ve found certain parts I prefer so this just makes sense. The Proof CF barrels are a bit overkill but they are sexy and accurate. Money’s not really rate limiting so I use them on some of my “Gucci” builds.
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Just read he’s wanting factory built.
get the lmt, put a ss barrel on it and be done
Thank God this didn’t start with OP asking all these questions just to cheap out with an Aero/Ballistic Advantage build.
The force is strong in this one, high hopes we have.
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+1 for JP
Can't go wrong with JP. Have had a few and they are amazing.
Bear Creek Arsenal then you’ll have $3300 left over for Hookers and Drugs
Many rifles come and go. But my Jp ctr-02 has been with me 15 years. Its not going no where. 18” heavy barrel
Shoot my JPs much more than my knights.
Here's a Proof SS 18" .223 Wylde barrel inside a STT-15 receiver set with Geissele 15" MK16 forend. Young MFG full mass bolt carrier group, Geissele SCH, TriggerTech Adaptive trigger, Vltor MK II recoil system. It's kinda Gucci:
As far as factory guns go JP is going to be really, really good. But if you want to go a notch higher, I’d consider going the custom route with a Krieger, Bartlein or Brux barrel.
Wes Grant at @MSTN builds beautiful tack drivers, as seen above. Steve Adelmann at Citizen Arms is also well known for his precision AR builds. Both of these guys have probably forgotten more about the AR platform than I’ll ever know.
Wes Grant at @MSTN builds beautiful tack drivers, as seen above. Steve Adelmann at Citizen Arms is also well known for his precision AR builds. Both of these guys have probably forgotten more about the AR platform than I’ll ever know.
or...Centurion Arms which saves some money for glass
you will not be disappointed in their accuracy by any stretch
you will not be disappointed in their accuracy by any stretch
There are a few less common, but known, options. V-Seven for one, sub 5lb for a 16".
I went with a CLE upper upon recommendation here, and the chamber is very obviously crooked. I don’t know if it’s something I should bring to their attention or if it’s not worth the hassle.
Op stated "I want 223/556 no bigger". Your trolling is getting tiresome.
If that is the case CLE will absolutely take care of that.. I have no idea who at CLE chambered that but is wasn't Paul.
It was a Douglas 16” stainless with their CLE chamber. I’ve shot it once and couldn’t find ammo it liked. Followed their cleaning instructions, and took a peek with my bore scope and concluded that was why it wouldn’t group. Maybe coming from a bolt gun, my expectations are too high.
The chamber is crooked??? Yeah if it is in fact crooked, I would absolutely get with them on it.
Without a doubt send that back and call CLE on Monday and they will send you a prepaid packing slip, and currently have plenty of Douglas blanks on the shelf to remake you a new one..
On a point of order, you are correct. Oh well, maybe I will inspire him to run the heavy rigs?"
Aero is guuci as fuck, Boi!
