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I have been telling them "NO" for 49 years. They don't fucking care - don't pay yer SS and Medicare? Go directly to jail, no pass go - no $200. Accumulated a bunch of cash and property? It now belongs to "them".....how exactly do you think we tell these ASSHOLES *No!*?
It's pulled out of my/yer paycheck before you have shit to say about it. And my employer/your employer is certainly not gonna not withhold/report that and have their Corporation shut down for non payment of SS and Medicare. There is no Way to tell them *NO*. Vote 'em out?
Wake the fuck up. We are owned and operated and controlled and will be assimilated. My line in the sand is when they turn off my SS - Sell it all, house, guns, vehicles and take my savings and investments and flee the fuck right out of here to "Who the Fuck Cares this Republic *is* cooked".
Start saying no?.....fuck you. We been saying *NO!* for 50 years and they just laugh at US. Vote for a Republican, vote for the Democrat - both of them work for the .01% and they Want. Yer. Assets. How do you intend to tell these cock suckers no? Oh I get it....you want me to do it! Sorry...I'm old and affluent and I'm not looking for a fight. You wanna liquidate the US?
I'm out. I'll be touring the EU and living in a "3rd World Nation" with a higher Life Expectancy and Nationalized Health Care and free transportation passes for Seniors and you can stay here and tell these assholes *NO!* until they take yer shit and jail ya.
VooDoo
That is kind of romantic. The life of a vagabond. However, I am probably going to keep a few guns. And ammo. See my sig.I have been telling them "NO" for 49 years. They don't fucking care - don't pay yer SS and Medicare? Go directly to jail, no pass go - no $200. Accumulated a bunch of cash and property? It now belongs to "them".....how exactly do you think we tell these ASSHOLES *No!*?
It's pulled out of my/yer paycheck before you have shit to say about it. And my employer/your employer is certainly not gonna not withhold/report that and have their Corporation shut down for non payment of SS and Medicare. There is no Way to tell them *NO*. Vote 'em out?
Wake the fuck up. We are owned and operated and controlled and will be assimilated. My line in the sand is when they turn off my SS - Sell it all, house, guns, vehicles and take my savings and investments and flee the fuck right out of here to "Who the Fuck Cares this Republic *is* cooked".
Start saying no?.....fuck you. We been saying *NO!* for 50 years and they just laugh at US. Vote for a Republican, vote for the Democrat - both of them work for the .01% and they Want. Yer. Assets. How do you intend to tell these cock suckers no? Oh I get it....you want me to do it! Sorry...I'm old and affluent and I'm not looking for a fight. You wanna liquidate the US?
I'm out. I'll be touring the EU and living in a "3rd World Nation" with a higher Life Expectancy and Nationalized Health Care and free transportation passes for Seniors and you can stay here and tell these assholes *NO!* until they take yer shit and jail ya.
VooDoo
I have been telling them "NO" for 49 years. They don't fucking care - don't pay yer SS and Medicare? Go directly to jail, no pass go - no $200. Accumulated a bunch of cash and property? It now belongs to "them".....how exactly do you think we tell these ASSHOLES *No!*?
It's pulled out of my/yer paycheck before you have shit to say about it. And my employer/your employer is certainly not gonna not withhold/report that and have their Corporation shut down for non payment of SS and Medicare. There is no Way to tell them *NO*. Vote 'em out?
Wake the fuck up. We are owned and operated and controlled and will be assimilated. My line in the sand is when they turn off my SS - Sell it all, house, guns, vehicles and take my savings and investments and flee the fuck right out of here to "Who the Fuck Cares this Republic *is* cooked".
Start saying no?.....fuck you. We been saying *NO!* for 50 years and they just laugh at US. Vote for a Republican, vote for the Democrat - both of them work for the .01% and they Want. Yer. Assets. How do you intend to tell these cock suckers no? Oh I get it....you want me to do it! Sorry...I'm old and affluent and I'm not looking for a fight. You wanna liquidate the US?
I'm out. I'll be touring the EU and living in a "3rd World Nation" with a higher Life Expectancy and Nationalized Health Care and free transportation passes for Seniors and you can stay here and tell these assholes *NO!* until they take yer shit and jail ya.
VooDoo
No romance in being being forced to flee America in my mindset.
I'd hate to leave here - I love this Country and the Lifestyle I have enjoyed for 67 years. But if they cut ~$42K out of my yearly income (roughly my Wife's and my SS) and trash Medicare, I and millions of others will have to take our Life Savings and investments "Somewhere Else" or end up living in a box and/or eating dog food.
Between my Wife and I we paid in roughly $490K (a conservative estimate) over our working Lifetime. Getting a return on that isn't a fucking Handout. I paid in for this under the promise (like a pension or 401K) that I'd get $X a month after age 65 or whatever. If they pull it, I'll have no choice but to take my remaining assets and liquidate them and go spend them somewhere I can afford to live. I don't wanna - I'll have no other options. I can't afford to live in America without that $42K a year.
VooDoo
Im in your generation and i dont see it as a hand out. A big fucking chunk of my paycheck has gone to it since i qas 15. How much woulf i have in a private account? I want what ive payed for.
List all of the ones that were voluntary.
Did you pay your taxes?
Then shut your cockholster.
BTW- Stop making Gen X look retarded.
R
We've all been screwed. I've been paying ss for 27 years and I won't see a dime of it. For the last 15 of those I've been self employed so I've paid all of it and the other bs taxes "business privilege tax"????
The reality is that you better make your own plans to have income or enough cash to last and not consider ss or Medicare if you are 50 or under. Maybe the conmen in DC will actually make cuts and get us another 50 years maybe they won't but you better prepare for yourself.
The reality is that you better make your own plans to have income or enough cash to last and not consider ss or Medicare if you are 50 or under. Maybe the conmen in DC will actually make cuts and get us another 50 years maybe they won't but you better prepare for yourself.
Just wait until one of those who worked under a stolen SS number demands to receive SS because he paid in. That will be the fall of Social Security
Aka you quit and gave up (and looking for more handouts via national healthcare)I have been telling them "NO" for 49 years. They don't fucking care - don't pay yer SS and Medicare? Go directly to jail, no pass go - no $200. Accumulated a bunch of cash and property? It now belongs to "them".....how exactly do you think we tell these ASSHOLES *No!*?
It's pulled out of my/yer paycheck before you have shit to say about it. And my employer/your employer is certainly not gonna not withhold/report that and have their Corporation shut down for non payment of SS and Medicare. There is no Way to tell them *NO*. Vote 'em out?
Wake the fuck up. We are owned and operated and controlled and will be assimilated. My line in the sand is when they turn off my SS - Sell it all, house, guns, vehicles and take my savings and investments and flee the fuck right out of here to "Who the Fuck Cares this Republic *is* cooked".
Start saying no?.....fuck you. We been saying *NO!* for 50 years and they just laugh at US. Vote for a Republican, vote for the Democrat - both of them work for the .01% and they Want. Yer. Assets. How do you intend to tell these cock suckers no? Oh I get it....you want me to do it! Sorry...I'm old and affluent and I'm not looking for a fight. You wanna liquidate the US?
I'm out. I'll be touring the EU and living in a "3rd World Nation" with a higher Life Expectancy and Nationalized Health Care and free transportation passes for Seniors and you can stay here and tell these assholes *NO!* until they take yer shit and jail ya.
VooDoo
BTW there is no other place to go like here. If you run away long enough, you run out of room.
I'll leave that to you.
It's not a zero sum that you get e ack what you pay in. Where did I say not pay taxes.
CUT THE BUDGET. NOW. STOP SPENDING. They threatened ss every time because they know u choads will cave every time.
All you guys do is run away or join the give me my handout crowd.
Its called being a chickenshit
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And “boomers” getting ss is not a handout, they earned that shit! Full stop!
Unlimited welfare, thats a handout. Illegal immigrant benefits, thats a handout. Any money going out of our country, thats a handout. So shut the fuck up with your boomer ss bullshit.
Unlimited welfare, thats a handout. Illegal immigrant benefits, thats a handout. Any money going out of our country, thats a handout. So shut the fuck up with your boomer ss bullshit.
Sadly even that isn't enough
If only someone else had thought of this....
We/most of us have paid into a system that will never pay back what was invested.
Now many try to hold the government to the account they forced us into joining and this is a handout.
You are a fucking idiot.
Cut the fucking well fare state to zero, that includes corporate, that include illegal aliens, that includes almost every country on this fucking earth.
None of which listed has given a fucking nickel to receive said.
As you may be able to add take average monies stolen and multiply it by 5-7% intertest for the slaves life of payments stolen.
Divide by the average life span and see how many collect it all.
You are a fucking child that hasn't the depth of your myopia.
The debt ceiling isn't the problem and why folks are fucking fed up with getting fucked again.
The entire ideal is holding the gov to they contract they foisted on Joe tax payer.
Sounds familiar ^^^ huh?
R
Getting more out of Social Security than you paid isn't going to happen for anyone that isn't already retired. If you already are retired, it might depending on when you got out of the rat race.
I don't see any point in shitting on our fellow Hide members because unless they own a Senator or three they don't have any input or control over how any of this is going. Us peasants are just along for the ride.
I don't see any point in shitting on our fellow Hide members because unless they own a Senator or three they don't have any input or control over how any of this is going. Us peasants are just along for the ride.
“If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
Or a more modern one
"Every man has his price Bob, and yours was pretty low"
Or a more modern one
"Every man has his price Bob, and yours was pretty low"
In a way this discussion somewhat parallels Maggots thread " Have We Come Full Circle", let me elxpain a little.
The other conversation is more alternative lifestyle based that has been normalized over the past 20 years, for a lack of a more
sophisticated description gay lifestyle acceptance in society ( we just want to get married). Fast forward today some guy dressed as a clown
like women dances for elementary aged children. This thread being discussed here; debt ceiling spending and the bold faced lying elected
fool's attempting to spew more bullshit. So many of us are wrapped up with Democrat vs. Republican and not seeing that they are
in fact one and the same screwing us over ( good cop vs. bad cop)! So here's my idea for full circle: It didn't work out the way it was sold to us.
We need to back things up, the world has changed, so like the League of Nations we need out of the United Nations like a fire drill or faster.
The United States military needs to shutter some bases around the globe and bring these people back home, reopen some Brac Commission
realignment closers (hopefully enough money to keep Haliburton elite types happy). We need to become a stand alone Nation that is not
dependent on others we have allowed the greed of the Elites to derail the principals of what this Republic was founded on! The useless
legislation being generated today has in one means or another already been made law, let's work with what we got. Instead of allowing every
new event to further divide us we need to devise a means to unite because until we do that we allow them to keep us divided. Sooner
than later will be to late. They are winning simply reading the BearPit can show you the depth of separation we have here.
The other conversation is more alternative lifestyle based that has been normalized over the past 20 years, for a lack of a more
sophisticated description gay lifestyle acceptance in society ( we just want to get married). Fast forward today some guy dressed as a clown
like women dances for elementary aged children. This thread being discussed here; debt ceiling spending and the bold faced lying elected
fool's attempting to spew more bullshit. So many of us are wrapped up with Democrat vs. Republican and not seeing that they are
in fact one and the same screwing us over ( good cop vs. bad cop)! So here's my idea for full circle: It didn't work out the way it was sold to us.
We need to back things up, the world has changed, so like the League of Nations we need out of the United Nations like a fire drill or faster.
The United States military needs to shutter some bases around the globe and bring these people back home, reopen some Brac Commission
realignment closers (hopefully enough money to keep Haliburton elite types happy). We need to become a stand alone Nation that is not
dependent on others we have allowed the greed of the Elites to derail the principals of what this Republic was founded on! The useless
legislation being generated today has in one means or another already been made law, let's work with what we got. Instead of allowing every
new event to further divide us we need to devise a means to unite because until we do that we allow them to keep us divided. Sooner
than later will be to late. They are winning simply reading the BearPit can show you the depth of separation we have here.
I re-read that book again recently to see if I recalled all the warnings correctly. Orwell was as good as gold then and now.
To be fair, 401ks and pensions are not guaranteed either, sadly. Yes, the politicians have screwed us, yet here we sit and continue to let them. But it ain’t gonna be just me or you, we need a massive change overnight in positions across the country. That basically means we need about 3 good hide members from each state to run and win positions. Then and only then will it change. And I’m not even convinced it could then. Too many people even at the bottom end are too used to being on the take that they may not cooperate with their new leaders.
My Brother bought a new car here a few years ago and sprang the extra $ for a extended Warranty. 8 years later the transmission got to acting up and not shifting and making all kinds of weird noises so the mechanic at the Dealership had a lookie see at it and decided it'd be best to put a new transmission in it.
My Brother said "Well, I paid in for that Extended Warranty so it looks like I'm gonna get at least some of that back for the repairs, Eh?"
"Nup" the mechanic said. "No more handouts....the dealership and the manufacturer decided it was Socialism so no more free bee repairs and hand outs for folk who just wanna stand in the gimme-gimme lane!"
Fucking dead beat Brother....all this time I thought he was a stand up guy and here he goes looking for his free hand out. Makes me sick.
As an aside - I don't believe the current Republic can be/will be saved. The only variable is how far it crashes and how fast it does it before America Balkanizes into a number of smaller Republics. Just hoping we can slow the crash/control the crash until I'm having my dirt nap.
VooDoo
My Brother said "Well, I paid in for that Extended Warranty so it looks like I'm gonna get at least some of that back for the repairs, Eh?"
"Nup" the mechanic said. "No more handouts....the dealership and the manufacturer decided it was Socialism so no more free bee repairs and hand outs for folk who just wanna stand in the gimme-gimme lane!"
Fucking dead beat Brother....all this time I thought he was a stand up guy and here he goes looking for his free hand out. Makes me sick.
As an aside - I don't believe the current Republic can be/will be saved. The only variable is how far it crashes and how fast it does it before America Balkanizes into a number of smaller Republics. Just hoping we can slow the crash/control the crash until I'm having my dirt nap.
VooDoo
It is NOT a fucking entitlement. It is literally, MY fucking money. MINE.
I will take a check, and we can settle, or, they can start sending me regular installments.
Handing my money, to 20 something drug addicts and lazy ass people who never paid in is THE FUCKING PROBLEM!
A more appropriate example would be get a warranty from a company known to Welch on their deals.My Brother bought a new car here a few years ago and sprang the extra $ for a extended Warranty. 8 years later the transmission got to acting up and not shifting and making all kinds of weird noises so the mechanic at the Dealership had a lookie see at it and decided it'd be best to put a new transmission in it.
My Brother said "Well, I paid in for that Extended Warranty so it looks like I'm gonna get at least some of that back for the repairs, Eh?"
"Nup" the mechanic said. "No more handouts....the dealership and the manufacturer decided it was Socialism so no more free bee repairs and hand outs for folk who just wanna stand in the gimme-gimme lane!"
Fucking dead beat Brother....all this time I thought he was a stand up guy and here he goes looking for his free hand out. Makes me sick.
As an aside - I don't believe the current Republic can be/will be saved. The only variable is how far it crashes and how fast it does it before America Balkanizes into a number of smaller Republics. Just hoping we can slow the crash/control the crash until I'm having my dirt nap.
VooDoo
Bit you didn't buy a warranty. You agreed to a handout via govt program. It's for the elderly! All it costs is your soul.
To be fair, I didn’t agree to anything. I was forced. If I had that money myself I could have certainly done much more and better with it. Just saying.
So, Doc, do you have a Social Security number? How do you keep your employer from withholding from yer Paycheck for it? How can you even get a job without one? Or pay yer taxes? Without a SS Number technically I think yer an illegal alien....
Just curious.
VooDoo
Just curious.
VooDoo
I am constantly stunned by the number of people that don't understand this. By and large, they are employed, paying in and they don't understand it.
AND, it's fucking mind boggling about the criminality of the government taking MY MONEY for 53 years and they manage to squander it and are always claiming poverty. Hell, even the mafia is smarter than them.
Explain to me again why it is that I should trust those lyin', thievin' bastards in any way, shape or form ?
Oh, and Chikn.......If you were to simply take a check (equal to what you paid in), you'd be screwing yourself. Lost opportunity and all that. If I had started investing my money 53 years ago, it'd be worth a hell of a lot more than what the government is ever going to pay me.
Just like all my taxes, it's gone to the black hole of govt.
The difference is my retirement plan has 0 dependence on SS. One of the best pieces of advice I got from my parents is DONT RELY ON THE GOVT.
Besides, its all a bluff. They say your ss will be cut if we don't raise the debt. It's akin to them putting a gun to your head and saying give us more money.
That's my point, you guys are playing right into tax and spend. Grow a pair and tell them to PULL THE TRIGGER.
Call their damn bluff or forever be a slave to the govt dole.
Oh no...when I say a settlement check, I'm saying I want the moderate projected growth of my money over a 38 year stretch.
Had my money been "invested" over that 38 years, id be a multi, millionaire.
I'll settle for a "reparation" check of 2.5M. That would be a modest estimate of what the money i paid, would look like.
I won't speculate on any part of my income tax they took at the barrel of a gun.
My Opinion: If the US defaults on it's debts, SS will be the least of my worries. It's too late to "call their bluff" and besides, I'm back to my initial statement - there is no Way to tell these cock suckers *NO!*. They are owned and operated by an Oligarchy and they are playing "Good Cop/Bad Cop" to make a show and keep US all fretting and pulling our hair out while the real show (America being fleeced) is ignored over there on the other side of the building.
There is no way to tell them no. They will do as they have done for decades - they'll play the game and do what the Oligarchy tells them to do. They want that 401K, IRA, Investments, etc. ....they want the trillions American have saved and invested in homes and College Savings accounts etc.
This show is all about The Final Solution of liquidating America. This is why they want US disarmed....they are gonna liquidate America either this time or in the future. The Republic has failed. Control the crash where you are as best you can.
VooDoo
There is no way to tell them no. They will do as they have done for decades - they'll play the game and do what the Oligarchy tells them to do. They want that 401K, IRA, Investments, etc. ....they want the trillions American have saved and invested in homes and College Savings accounts etc.
This show is all about The Final Solution of liquidating America. This is why they want US disarmed....they are gonna liquidate America either this time or in the future. The Republic has failed. Control the crash where you are as best you can.
VooDoo
Your partially right.
Ss is not discretionary spending. So while it is an entitlement program, it's one required by law to be paid.
There is a FUCKTON of discretionary spending they can cut. But they never mention that because that doesn't get you angry. Yes a shutdown stops your checks, but you'll get them when a deal is reached. It's scare tactic straight up to mortgage your children and grandchildren to more crushing debt. That's the deal, you can get your checks on time, but it's going to cost your kids and grandkids
We ALL need to stand up and say no.
Fucking perfect!
Thats tricky. They claimed one under Clinton, but that was just fancy penmanship in the books, under the auspices of "surplus".
"And this is why we cannot have nice things."
We are all saying the same thing, being overtaxed by an out of control government. Yet, in here, I see all kinds of acrimony and verbal fighting which accomplishes nothing. Calling each other names here is not going to replace the bad reps that we have.
And, without having another "insurrection," we need to vote. And in as many places as we can insist we vote by paper. Yes, it will take a while to count. I got some time.
See, there, I fixed the republic. Damn, I'm good.
We are all saying the same thing, being overtaxed by an out of control government. Yet, in here, I see all kinds of acrimony and verbal fighting which accomplishes nothing. Calling each other names here is not going to replace the bad reps that we have.
And, without having another "insurrection," we need to vote. And in as many places as we can insist we vote by paper. Yes, it will take a while to count. I got some time.
See, there, I fixed the republic. Damn, I'm good.
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