I once heard a comedian make fun of men and their lack of humility with something like this: "a lot of guys seem to think they come out of their mother's womb knowing how to drive a car, how to screw a woman, and how to shoot a gun."
Why are AR15s so difficult to shoot for the average shooter?
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Can’t buy anything nice from a gun show, damn things should be illegal
I'm pretty average, probably below average, and I can do a lot better than that. Like 2 to 3 MOA at 100 meters with American Eagle 55gr out of my 6920.
I look at accuracy as a series of Venn diagram type overlapping circles. The rifle and ammunition capability is one circle with an which may not be centered on the target due to poor zero or incorrect elevation correction. From there the shooter's fundamentals are another circle,
and their wind calling ability a wide and slightly diagonal oval due to cross wind jump.
So say the rifle is zeroed 2 MOA left, the ammo can do 4 MOA and a shot ends up being on the very left of that, then the shooter's ability is 4 MOA and a shot ends up on the left edge of that, and the wind pushes the round 2 MOA left the round could impact 8 MOA left. Then, with the exception of the zero being left, all those factors could shift to the extreme in another direction leading to shitty groups.
That's my take on it. 12 MOA shooters probably don't put as much thought into it. Or maybe I'm overthinking it.
I look at accuracy as a series of Venn diagram type overlapping circles. The rifle and ammunition capability is one circle with an which may not be centered on the target due to poor zero or incorrect elevation correction. From there the shooter's fundamentals are another circle,
and their wind calling ability a wide and slightly diagonal oval due to cross wind jump.
So say the rifle is zeroed 2 MOA left, the ammo can do 4 MOA and a shot ends up being on the very left of that, then the shooter's ability is 4 MOA and a shot ends up on the left edge of that, and the wind pushes the round 2 MOA left the round could impact 8 MOA left. Then, with the exception of the zero being left, all those factors could shift to the extreme in another direction leading to shitty groups.
That's my take on it. 12 MOA shooters probably don't put as much thought into it. Or maybe I'm overthinking it.
Take airguns for example, you'll get the best of the shot if you use good form and follow through on the shot. Don't change your hold or anything else if possible and you'll be rewarded.
Semi's if shot the same way can shoot great. The fact is you need to finesse the shot because you can't get away with some things like you could with a heavy centerfire bolt gun.
Semi's if shot the same way can shoot great. The fact is you need to finesse the shot because you can't get away with some things like you could with a heavy centerfire bolt gun.
The Other thing worth noting when looking at this platform is, it’s not truly free floated. From the receiver You have a freaking metal gas tube which is pinned to a metal gas block, which is then connected to the barrel. In bolt actions if built properly you have a free floating barrel, which is way more likely to shoot accurately and consistently compared to a gas gun
A have seen shit store bought ammo literally not hit minute of man. In a rifle that was sub moa on hand loads. After two primer didn’t ignite and I literally missed a man sized silhouette at 100 yards with the ones that did, i stopped shooting it and pulled the rounds down. Agulia. After pulling it down I could see why.
The worst box of ammo I ever experienced.
Crap ammo is exactly that.
You cant put a specific number (moa)on quality round to round, box to box, batch to batch. Even in “good” ammo there will occasionally be mistakes in manufacturing.
Its why people hand load, because you can put a tightly control the process, yielding better results.
Yes because you once had a singular box of bad ammo that means that the majority of people who can't shoot an AR-15 had that exact same experience. Every time.
Bullshit
Every time I pull a shot, I'll just blame my ammo from now on. I'll never improve, never get better, never learn how to reload, just pour money into buying FGMM and wondering why I suck.
99% of the time its you
COngrats on finding the 1% it wasn't. Would you like a cookie? Meanwhile the 99% of the time is kicking your ass like the idiots at the range. (reminds me of the guys where the "wind" blew their shots out of the bullseye at 100 yards). Yup, its the wind asshole.
What's the first thing we recommend to people we getting started?
TAKE A FUCKING CLASS
Bullshit
Every time I pull a shot, I'll just blame my ammo from now on. I'll never improve, never get better, never learn how to reload, just pour money into buying FGMM and wondering why I suck.
99% of the time its you
COngrats on finding the 1% it wasn't. Would you like a cookie? Meanwhile the 99% of the time is kicking your ass like the idiots at the range. (reminds me of the guys where the "wind" blew their shots out of the bullseye at 100 yards). Yup, its the wind asshole.
What's the first thing we recommend to people we getting started?
TAKE A FUCKING CLASS
All the practice in the world aint gonna help if the ammo is shit.
Its a combination of everything coming together, no one thing being more important than the other. It all matters
Trying to assign numbers and percentages you pulled out of thin air. Lol.
Its a combination of everything coming together, no one thing being more important than the other. It all matters
Trying to assign numbers and percentages you pulled out of thin air. Lol.
