World Record Extreme Long Range Shot 4.4 Miles

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it looks like it would be fun expensive , but fun .
 

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    What caliber was he using? I saw this earlier last night. Nice shot, but 69 times, I guess is good considering they are establishing DOPE?...
     

    Longshot231

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    What caliber was he using? I saw this earlier last night. Nice shot, but 69 times, I guess is good considering they are establishing DOPE?...

    From the article:

    The Cutting Edge MTAC bullet that hit the target was hand-lathed, and weighed just under an ounce (422 gr.)

    Distance was measured using multiple trusted gps mapping applications as 4.42 miles and 4.40 miles. To keep our integrity, we are claiming only the smaller distance.

    The cartridge was custom made by Unknown Munitions in Idaho (which we think is the best commercial ammunition maker in the world), with Barrett brass, H50BMG propellant and a CCI135 primer. The bullet left the rifle muzzle at 3,300 feet per second and traveled 4.4 miles, slowing to 689 feet per second when it hit the target, over 24.5 seconds after being fired. We traded with a number of vendors over the years, and we really have to thank them for always doing what they promised without excuses, bending over backwards and going above and beyond.

    This adventure took over 20 months of dreaming and 1,500+ focused man-hours of studying, building and testing a never-before-built system of rifle, ammo, optics, and gear; bunkers and ballistics study and the subsequent custom builds; extensive terrain scouting at various ranches in four states; months of practical testing to get to the point that the bullet even landed on the hillside, much less the target. The final result was six of the last eight test runs having the majority of our shots landing within a 75-yard radius of the intended target. We decided to get all hands on deck to triangulate our observations. Glad we did.

    • The rifle, with customized parts and accessories from Canada, New Zealand, Arkansas, South Dakota and elsewhere, was assembled in Idaho by S&S Sporting in Driggs, Idaho.
      • Rifle is chambered in .416 Barrett
      • Chassis is a Cadex Dual Strike from Canada
      • Barrel is an LRI from Sturgis, SD – 40” with a 1:9 twist. These folks are amazing in every way.
      • The barrel was “structured” by tacomHQ in Arkansas.
      • Action is a McMillian TAC50.
      • Trigger is a Timney.
      • Muzzle brake is a Terminator T6 from New Zealand.
      • The 350 MOA mount was custom built by S&S Sporting in Idaho.
      • The custom high-rise cheek piece was built by S&S Sporting.
    • The scope is the recently-released Vortex Razor 6-35×56 FFP scope with EBR-7D MOA reticle. This scope is the latest and greatest from Vortex Optics. After testing many other top-tier brands, Scott decided that this Razor was our best option.
    • The scope was held in place with a double set of Leupold Mark IV rings.
    • Support optics included a Delta and a Charlie TARAC from tacomHQ.
    • The bipod was a LRA.
    • Scott designed and built the shooting platform.
    • Ballistic software used – Applied Ballistics.
     

    badassgunworks

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    From the article:

    The Cutting Edge MTAC bullet that hit the target was hand-lathed, and weighed just under an ounce (422 gr.)

    Distance was measured using multiple trusted gps mapping applications as 4.42 miles and 4.40 miles. To keep our integrity, we are claiming only the smaller distance.

    The cartridge was custom made by Unknown Munitions in Idaho (which we think is the best commercial ammunition maker in the world), with Barrett brass, H50BMG propellant and a CCI135 primer. The bullet left the rifle muzzle at 3,300 feet per second and traveled 4.4 miles, slowing to 689 feet per second when it hit the target, over 24.5 seconds after being fired. We traded with a number of vendors over the years, and we really have to thank them for always doing what they promised without excuses, bending over backwards and going above and beyond.

    This adventure took over 20 months of dreaming and 1,500+ focused man-hours of studying, building and testing a never-before-built system of rifle, ammo, optics, and gear; bunkers and ballistics study and the subsequent custom builds; extensive terrain scouting at various ranches in four states; months of practical testing to get to the point that the bullet even landed on the hillside, much less the target. The final result was six of the last eight test runs having the majority of our shots landing within a 75-yard radius of the intended target. We decided to get all hands on deck to triangulate our observations. Glad we did.

    • The rifle, with customized parts and accessories from Canada, New Zealand, Arkansas, South Dakota and elsewhere, was assembled in Idaho by S&S Sporting in Driggs, Idaho.
      • Rifle is chambered in .416 Barrett
      • Chassis is a Cadex Dual Strike from Canada
      • Barrel is an LRI from Sturgis, SD – 40” with a 1:9 twist. These folks are amazing in every way.
      • The barrel was “structured” by tacomHQ in Arkansas.
      • Action is a McMillian TAC50.
      • Trigger is a Timney.
      • Muzzle brake is a Terminator T6 from New Zealand.
      • The 350 MOA mount was custom built by S&S Sporting in Idaho.
      • The custom high-rise cheek piece was built by S&S Sporting.
    • The scope is the recently-released Vortex Razor 6-35×56 FFP scope with EBR-7D MOA reticle. This scope is the latest and greatest from Vortex Optics. After testing many other top-tier brands, Scott decided that this Razor was our best option.
    • The scope was held in place with a double set of Leupold Mark IV rings.
    • Support optics included a Delta and a Charlie TARAC from tacomHQ.
    • The bipod was a LRA.
    • Scott designed and built the shooting platform.
    • Ballistic software used – Applied Ballistics.
    With all the time and efforts why in the hell would you use perhaps the worst bullet design from cutting edge to do this atempt. You should have used the 550 grain . Knowing that I have a hard time swallowing any thing that is said about what was done.
     

    badassgunworks

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    Why are they claiming the bullets are hand lathed? That's dumb.
    The same reason they would choose the wrong bullets for the task. They are not hand lathe turned their Swiss screw turned. That comment is a prime example of choosing a 422 grain Cutting Edge bullet when they should be using a 550 grain Cutting Edge bullet it's just plain ignorance
     

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    Entirely possible based upon what is written but the sound from the video is simply wrong and the angle of impact is wrong so I call bullshit.

    But by all means, show up to a match and show us what a badass you are...

    -Alex
     

    Ledzep

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    The more of these things I see happen the more I'm convinced that they're not really "records" or "achievements" beyond "achieving" the confirmation that a trajectory occurs.

    If you create even a basic hit probability tool in Excel, and put anywhere close to realistic best-case parameters into it, you're going to see very quickly that 1 mile has some potential for semi-practical application, but by 2000-2500 yards, you've wandered far enough into the land of diminishing returns with hit probability that you're playing 3D roulette. Sorry if I come across as a negative Nancy here, but I just don't see the point. If you want to throw shit 5 miles, bump up the caliber, level the base, put a quadrant sight on it, and sling some HE with blast radius. Toodling around with shoulder-fired stuff is pissing in the wind.

    IMHO it would be cooler or more fun to tape off rings (50, 100, 200yd for example) around a target post and fill out your Form 1 for a DD and have mortar competitions where each competitor has a specific color shell with a GPS in it. Send 5-10 rounds for score at several different targets/distances. If you're gonna spend thousands of dollars for some goofy ELR shit....
     

    cas6969

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    Reminds me of the videos these guys put out. Depending on which version you watch you really have no idea of how many misses it took to finally get lucky. It’s not exactly what you call “on demand”. (Edit to add: lol I don’t only watch the first video when I posted this)

     

    vh20

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    Entirely possible based upon what is written but the sound from the video is simply wrong and the angle of impact is wrong so I call bullshit.

    But by all means, show up to a match and show us what a badass you are...

    -Alex
    I was wondering - how does the hole in the orange circle appear about 1 second AFTER the sound of the impact...? The spotter stated she thought the bullet impacted the bunker she was in, then changed her mind after seeing the hole in the orange circle. I'm wondering if she wasn't correct to begin with and the bullet struck her bunker before ricocheting into the target, thus creating the sound on the recording before the hole in the target appears.
     

    towerofpower93

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    The more of these things I see happen the more I'm convinced that they're not really "records" or "achievements" beyond "achieving" the confirmation that a trajectory occurs.

    If you create even a basic hit probability tool in Excel, and put anywhere close to realistic best-case parameters into it, you're going to see very quickly that 1 mile has some potential for semi-practical application, but by 2000-2500 yards, you've wandered far enough into the land of diminishing returns with hit probability that you're playing 3D roulette. Sorry if I come across as a negative Nancy here, but I just don't see the point. If you want to throw shit 5 miles, bump up the caliber, level the base, put a quadrant sight on it, and sling some HE with blast radius. Toodling around with shoulder-fired stuff is pissing in the wind.

    IMHO it would be cooler or more fun to tape off rings (50, 100, 200yd for example) around a target post and fill out your Form 1 for a DD and have mortar competitions where each competitor has a specific color shell with a GPS in it. Send 5-10 rounds for score at several different targets/distances. If you're gonna spend thousands of dollars for some goofy ELR shit....

    I actually like the idea of a small mortar competition, haha
     
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    From the article:

    The Cutting Edge MTAC bullet that hit the target was hand-lathed, and weighed just under an ounce (422 gr.)

    Distance was measured using multiple trusted gps mapping applications as 4.42 miles and 4.40 miles. To keep our integrity, we are claiming only the smaller distance.

    The cartridge was custom made by Unknown Munitions in Idaho (which we think is the best commercial ammunition maker in the world), with Barrett brass, H50BMG propellant and a CCI135 primer. The bullet left the rifle muzzle at 3,300 feet per second and traveled 4.4 miles, slowing to 689 feet per second when it hit the target, over 24.5 seconds after being fired. We traded with a number of vendors over the years, and we really have to thank them for always doing what they promised without excuses, bending over backwards and going above and beyond.

    This adventure took over 20 months of dreaming and 1,500+ focused man-hours of studying, building and testing a never-before-built system of rifle, ammo, optics, and gear; bunkers and ballistics study and the subsequent custom builds; extensive terrain scouting at various ranches in four states; months of practical testing to get to the point that the bullet even landed on the hillside, much less the target. The final result was six of the last eight test runs having the majority of our shots landing within a 75-yard radius of the intended target. We decided to get all hands on deck to triangulate our observations. Glad we did.

    • The rifle, with customized parts and accessories from Canada, New Zealand, Arkansas, South Dakota and elsewhere, was assembled in Idaho by S&S Sporting in Driggs, Idaho.
      • Rifle is chambered in .416 Barrett
      • Chassis is a Cadex Dual Strike from Canada
      • Barrel is an LRI from Sturgis, SD – 40” with a 1:9 twist. These folks are amazing in every way.
      • The barrel was “structured” by tacomHQ in Arkansas.
      • Action is a McMillian TAC50.
      • Trigger is a Timney.
      • Muzzle brake is a Terminator T6 from New Zealand.
      • The 350 MOA mount was custom built by S&S Sporting in Idaho.
      • The custom high-rise cheek piece was built by S&S Sporting.
    • The scope is the recently-released Vortex Razor 6-35×56 FFP scope with EBR-7D MOA reticle. This scope is the latest and greatest from Vortex Optics. After testing many other top-tier brands, Scott decided that this Razor was our best option.
    • The scope was held in place with a double set of Leupold Mark IV rings.
    • Support optics included a Delta and a Charlie TARAC from tacomHQ.
    • The bipod was a LRA.
    • Scott designed and built the shooting platform.
    • Ballistic software used – Applied Ballistics.
    Just abbreviate all that by calling it ... "Frankenrifle".
     
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    brianf

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    record and distance aside , i dont understand the 20 months and 1500 hours of research

    unless thats from original PO date for the barrel or action that took a 19 of the 20 months etc

    its a regular ELR build; all off the shelf items
    action
    chassis
    trigger
    cartridge
    scope

    can buy them all online and have them delivered with in a week

    taking the "best" available components and designed a new bullet that runs in about 15-18 seconds on a swiss screw machine does not take 1500 hours. 1500HRS is 37 40 hour weeks

    from all the parts being delivered and on the floor to a finished painted rifle is about 7-10 days max

    not poo-pooing them as they are the ones shooting it, not me

    so they should get credit as its on film as well

    but the "difficulty" as it was explained is pushing it a little
     

    Longshot231

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    I actually like the idea of a small mortar competition, haha
    They run one at the Whittington Center. You shoot mortars at a 55 gallon drum and you are scored on shot distance from the drum... Been thinking of making a bowling ball mortar for it.

    -Alex

    One hasn't actually lived until one has shot a 10-pound Parrot rifle. We could easily hit a tank or APC at 3000 yards on the range at Ft. Sill. We probably could have shot out to much farther but those were the only targets left there for us, courtesy of the US Army.

    If memory serves me correctly the distance between the Confederate and Union artillery at Gettysburg was about 1700 yards. IMHO, that is too darn close. I don't know how they did it back then.

    Our ancestors must have carried their testicles around in wheel barrows.
     

    GIXXER2000

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    If you can't hit your target in 5 rounds or less it not accuracy just luck. My personal best is 3971 yards on a 50x40 steel plate. Missed my first two shots hit the third and fourth missed the fifth. Conditions were wind less then 2 mph clear sunny was a great day to shoot. I am shooting 375CT 400gr CE bullets.
     

    M4orturnate

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    The more of these things I see happen the more I'm convinced that they're not really "records" or "achievements" beyond "achieving" the confirmation that a trajectory occurs.

    If you create even a basic hit probability tool in Excel, and put anywhere close to realistic best-case parameters into it, you're going to see very quickly that 1 mile has some potential for semi-practical application, but by 2000-2500 yards, you've wandered far enough into the land of diminishing returns with hit probability that you're playing 3D roulette. Sorry if I come across as a negative Nancy here, but I just don't see the point. If you want to throw shit 5 miles, bump up the caliber, level the base, put a quadrant sight on it, and sling some HE with blast radius. Toodling around with shoulder-fired stuff is pissing in the wind.

    IMHO it would be cooler or more fun to tape off rings (50, 100, 200yd for example) around a target post and fill out your Form 1 for a DD and have mortar competitions where each competitor has a specific color shell with a GPS in it. Send 5-10 rounds for score at several different targets/distances. If you're gonna spend thousands of dollars for some goofy ELR shit....
    Now that sounds fun. Precision mortar series. Im in
     

    badassgunworks

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    record and distance aside , i dont understand the 20 months and 1500 hours of research

    unless thats from original PO date for the barrel or action that took a 19 of the 20 months etc

    its a regular ELR build; all off the shelf items
    action
    chassis
    trigger
    cartridge
    scope

    can buy them all online and have them delivered with in a week

    taking the "best" available components and designed a new bullet that runs in about 15-18 seconds on a swiss screw machine does not take 1500 hours. 1500HRS is 37 40 hour weeks

    from all the parts being delivered and on the floor to a finished painted rifle is about 7-10 days max

    not poo-pooing them as they are the ones shooting it, not me

    so they should get credit as its on film as well

    but the "difficulty" as it was explained is pushing it a little
    Agreed it was most likely the time span in relation to the idea or desire to do this apart from the time it takes to build the rifle it should not have taken more than a few days to organize the event all the tools already exist so no extra leg work should have been needed. I am guessing that the huge time Factor may have been finding a place or location to actually make the shot. If you have the equipment and the location you should be able to pull the event off in a couple of days of planning
     

    BTap

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    Sheer luck. With that many rounds, you are just lobbing shit downrange hopefully it connects. Then all of a sudden you can claim the internet epenis points.
    Not even close at
    Over 4 miles
    Shooting at a consistent moa your
    Shots are
    Going to be almost 80” apart
    Anyone that’s says it doesn’t take some skill should go beat it then?
     

    valsport

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    There's a little bit of Dilldozer Idiocracy to this build.

    OsIoR39h.jpg
     

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    I personally think there should be a record shot count limit. Make the hit on “X MOA” sized target at certain yards in X amount of shots. Record for 5 shots, 10 shots etc.

    This shot is great and all but tomorrow some dude could pop off 500 rounds out of a Serbu 50 cal and break that record

    Or do it twice in a row. Then you have something

    And he’s right. Paul Phillips’s will probably stomp him. I had the honor of shooting a state fclass match next to Paul. Those guys know and live long range
     
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    CCI 35 is an amateur error too. Those things cause massive velocity variation at even a mile. Need RWS primers. And with 20 months and 1500+ Hours, should have been able to get them. Also agree with the 422 grain bullet comments: why?
     

    Geno C.

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    I personally think there should be a record shot count limit. Make the hit on “X MOA” sized target at certain yards in X amount of shots. Record for 5 shots, 10 shots etc.

    This shot is great and all but tomorrow some dude could pop off 500 rounds out of a Serbu 50 cal and break that record

    Or do it twice in a row. Then you have something

    And he’s right. Paul Phillips’s will probably stomp him. I had the honor of shooting a state fclass match next to Paul. Those guys know and live long range
    There is; cold bore +2 more on a 36” square. About the only widely accepted record rules for elr that I’m aware of.
     

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    Planning the build. Talking on the phone. Shooting some "fire forming" brass. Reloading. Driving back to the range to get more DOPE. Walk out shots. More reloading. Video meeting to circle jerk.

    1500hrs is EASY to "document" and fluff up.
     
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    The more of these things I see happen the more I'm convinced that they're not really "records" or "achievements" beyond "achieving" the confirmation that a trajectory occurs.

    If you create even a basic hit probability tool in Excel, and put anywhere close to realistic best-case parameters into it, you're going to see very quickly that 1 mile has some potential for semi-practical application, but by 2000-2500 yards, you've wandered far enough into the land of diminishing returns with hit probability that you're playing 3D roulette. Sorry if I come across as a negative Nancy here, but I just don't see the point. If you want to throw shit 5 miles, bump up the caliber, level the base, put a quadrant sight on it, and sling some HE with blast radius. Toodling around with shoulder-fired stuff is pissing in the wind.

    IMHO it would be cooler or more fun to tape off rings (50, 100, 200yd for example) around a target post and fill out your Form 1 for a DD and have mortar competitions where each competitor has a specific color shell with a GPS in it. Send 5-10 rounds for score at several different targets/distances. If you're gonna spend thousands of dollars for some goofy ELR shit....
    2 scoring rings.

    Innermost- Close enough
    Outer- Not close enough
    Outside of that- What the F?!!
     
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    There is; cold bore +2 more on a 36” square. About the only widely accepted record rules for elr that I’m aware of.
    Good example as what Geno is talking about below - new distance record

    During the Spearpoint Ranch ELR Series finale today target 1 was shot from cold bore (no sighters, no rounds down the barrel that day), on camera(shooter and target) and rounds 1-3 had to be shot within 3 minutes to qualify. We did it this morning at 09:10.

    2585 Yards(1.468 miles)
    36”x 36” target

    4 Rounds in a row from Cold Bore
    Caliber: .416STC
    Projectile: Cutting Edge 500gr Lazer Gen2
    Muzzle Velocity: 2957fps/4ES-1.7SD
    Elevation: 29.1Mils
    Time of flight: 4.387 seconds
    Inches of drop: 2752.04 inches (229.33ft)
    Remaining velocity at target: 1095fps
    Remaining Energy at target: 1331ft/lbs

    Cheers
    osoh
     

    Geno C.

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    Good example as what Geno is talking about below - new distance record

    During the Spearpoint Ranch ELR Series finale today target 1 was shot from cold bore (no sighters, no rounds down the barrel that day), on camera(shooter and target) and rounds 1-3 had to be shot within 3 minutes to qualify. We did it this morning at 09:10.

    2585 Yards(1.468 miles)
    36”x 36” target

    4 Rounds in a row from Cold Bore
    Caliber: .416STC
    Projectile: Cutting Edge 500gr Lazer Gen2
    Muzzle Velocity: 2957fps/4ES-1.7SD
    Elevation: 29.1Mils
    Time of flight: 4.387 seconds
    Inches of drop: 2752.04 inches (229.33ft)
    Remaining velocity at target: 1095fps
    Remaining Energy at target: 1331ft/lbs

    Cheers
    osoh
    I was interested when I heard Derek switched from the atips to the CE
     

    Longshot231

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    Good example as what Geno is talking about below - new distance record

    During the Spearpoint Ranch ELR Series finale today target 1 was shot from cold bore (no sighters, no rounds down the barrel that day), on camera(shooter and target) and rounds 1-3 had to be shot within 3 minutes to qualify. We did it this morning at 09:10.

    2585 Yards(1.468 miles)
    36”x 36” target

    4 Rounds in a row from Cold Bore
    Caliber: .416STC
    Projectile: Cutting Edge 500gr Lazer Gen2
    Muzzle Velocity: 2957fps/4ES-1.7SD
    Elevation: 29.1Mils
    Time of flight: 4.387 seconds
    Inches of drop: 2752.04 inches (229.33ft)
    Remaining velocity at target: 1095fps
    Remaining Energy at target: 1331ft/lbs

    Cheers
    osoh

    How could true long distance rifleman not be aroused reading stats like that?

    Sir, we look for more rifle porn from you in the future!
     

    GIXXER2000

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    Maybe i will try a new World Record. I live in NW AZ and one of my best shooting spots has over 10k of open desert. I is a raised shooting position.
    I have access to 460 Steyr with 40in barrel and 600gr CE bullets.
     

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    @Bigfatcock does have some nice looking wood though.
     

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    If you can't hit your target in 5 rounds or less it not accuracy just luck. My personal best is 3971 yards on a 50x40 steel plate. Missed my first two shots hit the third and fourth missed the fifth. Conditions were wind less then 2 mph clear sunny was a great day to shoot. I am shooting 375CT 400gr CE bullets.
    I wish we could video you and break the same record