WW1 British Expeditionary Force Marksmanship Standards

sirhrmechanic

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As I was rummaging around in the armory bunker at Schloss Nitrocellulose today.... wrapping up some projects before winter... I remembered to grab some photos of this. I'd been meaning to post it when the thread was new-ish.

Might call it the "Original" Mil dot Master. But it's a metal slide rule for calculating machine gun placement and ranging, etc. This was what members of the Machine Gun Corps had to be competent with. Along with degree wheels on their carriages... T&E's, ranging posts, grazing fire, interlocking fields, plunging fire, graticules, all math...

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Still think the MG Corps is where they sent the f**k-ups?

Cheers,

Sirhr
 

Forgetful Coyote

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As I was rummaging around in the armory bunker at Schloss Nitrocellulose today.... wrapping up some projects before winter... I remembered to grab some photos of this. I'd been meaning to post it when the thread was new-ish.

Might call it the "Original" Mil dot Master. But it's a metal slide rule for calculating machine gun placement and ranging, etc. This was what members of the Machine Gun Corps had to be competent with. Along with degree wheels on their carriages... T&E's, ranging posts, grazing fire, interlocking fields, plunging fire, graticules, all math...

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Still think the MG Corps is where they sent the f**k-ups?

Cheers,

Sirhr
Very cool sirhr.. don’t you also have one of those old mechanical range finders? I’m guessing the officers were tasked with range finding and then sharing it with the unit?
 

sirhrmechanic

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Very cool sirhr.. don’t you also have one of those old mechanical range finders? I’m guessing the officers were tasked with range finding and then sharing it with the unit?
Several, in fact. Some WW2 ones that are several feet long... Old optics are very cool.

And NO, officers did not use them, typically. Using a rangefinder as a menial task. Machine Gunners and their NCO's set things up. Officers gave the orders. Then went to get tea and cakes.

You give too much credit to WW1 officers.

Sirhr
 

Forgetful Coyote

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Several, in fact. Some WW2 ones that are several feet long... Old optics are very cool.

And NO, officers did not use them, typically. Using a rangefinder as a menial task. Machine Gunners and their NCO's set things up. Officers gave the orders. Then went to get tea and cakes.

You give too much credit to WW1 officers.

Sirhr
Lol, I wasn’t attributing anything to their ability. I’ve simply read throughout history it was SOP for the officer to call out the range to the men under his command.
 

sirhrmechanic

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Lol, I wasn’t attributing anything to their ability. I’ve simply read throughout history it was SOP for the officer to call out the range to the men under his command.
If they called it out... it was because they had been handed it by an NCO.

Don't assume that British officers of the period "Did" anything.

And I offer this up as a guy whose grandfather WAS one of those officers.

Sirhr.

P.S. Well, Canuckian... which was a far sight better than the Limeys...
 

sandwarrior

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Lol, I wasn’t attributing anything to their ability. I’ve simply read throughout history it was SOP for the officer to call out the range to the men under his command.
A lot of 'Historians' have this idea that officers are all involved. Remember NCO's are officers, just not commisioned, and not only know what to do (tactics), they mostly know how everything works mechanically under their control. Not saying officers are useless, they know which crumpets go with which tea. JK, I knew some really good ones.
 

GrumpyOleFart

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Don’t forget to add “Sniping in France” by Major Hesketh-Prichard to the reading list. If you’re interested in WW1 marksmanship standards and sniping techniques then this book is essential reading. There’s a fair bit of technical info too.
An interesting read.
Major Hesketh Pritchard understood the devastating effect a sniper could have.
 

Chenapan

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Information about standards can be found here:


And here:


Recently, a history has been written, 'History of the Small Arms School Corps 1853-2017', by Richard Fisher, published by Helion, 2019.
 

Forgetful Coyote

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Information about standards can be found here:


And here:


Recently, a history has been written, 'History of the Small Arms School Corps 1853-2017', by Richard Fisher, published by Helion, 2019.
Awesome stuff, thanks! You wouldn’t happen to know where to find similar manuals for America from the same time period would you?
 

Chenapan

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