Rifle Scopes XTR 2 VS TRACT Toric?

[Hawk777th]

Hey all

I have a few rifles I wanna get some glass on and I was looking between XTR 2 and Tract? Both these are 762x51 so the Tract only has 20 MRAD is that enough without some sort of canted base/rings to get to 1000 Yards? One of the rifles is a SSG 69 so I will have to probably use some canted rings since I have never found canted rails for the platform. Other is SCAR 20S.

I am leaning towards the Tract due to better glass but worried about having enough elevation. Keep reading reports of the XTR II having sub par glass quality I will spend a little more for decent glass. Have read both track well?

Anyone with both these scopes that can give me a little more info?

 

[Hawk777th]

Thanks BD. Ya I am not a glass snob. I have some old NXS and MK 4 glass so I don't know where those fall in the Glass Snob range these days. Been away from PRS for about 10 years so trying to learn whats what again.

I am looking at some Ballistic calcs seems 20 MRAD is enough to get 308 out too 1200M if I can get it canted enough. Sorry I am an old MOA shooter trying to learn the MIL stuff.

 

[EastCOYotes]

Hey all

I have a few rifles I wanna get some glass on and I was looking between XTR 2 and Tract? Both these are 762x51 so the Tract only has 20 MRAD is that enough without some sort of canted base/rings to get to 1000 Yards? One of the rifles is a SSG 69 so I will have to probably use some canted rings since I have never found canted rails for the platform. Other is SCAR 20S.

I am leaning towards the Tract due to better glass but worried about having enough elevation. Keep reading reports of the XTR II having sub par glass quality I will spend a little more for decent glass. Have read both track well?

Anyone with both these scopes that can give me a little more info?

I like my XTR ii a lot, and they are also priced really nice right now in Optics planet or the PX here.

The 20 mil on the Tract might be cutting it close going to 1000 yards considering you might only get half of that (10 mil) without any cant in your base

 

[ColoradoShooter]

I can only speak with confidence concerning the Tract TORIC 30MM as I have one with the PRS reticle that just got released. I have been behind a Burris XTR II 5-25 on a 6.5CM rifle but I did not shoot it, so that’s my experience. With the 308W, I’m almost positive you’ll need at least a 10-20MOA base for 1K dialing. The Tract has the edge in terms of glass and the turrets have a more positive click to them. 30MM tube compared to 34MM with the Burris and both have great warranties. I wouldn’t trade my TORIC for an XTRII. Hope this helps.

 

[Hawk777th]

Thanks I guess I could throw it in a Larue 20MOA mount on the SCAR 20S. On my SSG 69 I probably would have to go with XTR to have enough elevation.

 

[Eoddave27]

I had a 5-25 XTR on one of my rifles. I was out shooting on a really foggy day early in the morning right after I bought a new Tract Toric HD. I was shooting my two rifles with the XTR and Tract side by side. I was trying to see my bullet holes at 300 yards with the XTR. I figured it would be better due to the additional 5x magnification. I couldn’t see the holes at all with the XTR. I figured I would just try the Toric. It was like going from a shot glass to HD. That is a little extreme but you get my meaning. The XTR is a fantastic optic it is just a little weak in the glass department. To give you an idea about how much better the Toric was optically I immediately sold my XTR that day and bought another Toric. I believe one of the other shooters with me that day was so impressed he ordered one too. I have showed the optic to two other friends. One is a gunsmith and owns some really nice optics. The other friend is a real Nightforce fan. They both bought a Toric after they looked through mine. The scopes are just that nice. In that price bracket I just don’t think there is anything out there that can compete. The only thing that comes close is maybe the Ares ETR but the Toric is still a much nicer optic.

 

[Glassaholic]

I've had two Burris XTR II 4-20's and the first one had optical issues but I bought another last year after Birddog convinced me the newer versions had fixed the early release issues, the second one had impressive glass, especially for the price (I paid $850 and have seen them for less lately). I also had the Tract Toric and was able to test them side by side - http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=2354

Tract is heavier even though it is shorter and 30mm vs. 34mm. Now that Tract has the PRS reticle it is much more compelling, but if you don't like tree reticles the SCR is a better option than Tract's mil reticle IMO. The Tract had a slight edge optically in my samples but the new 4-20 was not far behind. That said, the XTR II 3-15 has a track record of not being the best optical design so maybe you've heard complaints in that department, I've also heard the 5-25 struggles near the top if you think you'll use it a lot there (most PRS shooters don't due to atmospherics and FOV).

Both are great scopes, base your decision on the reticle and go from there. If I were picky I'd say I liked the turrets on the Burris better, but the Tract has locking turrets if that matters to you. Both have forever warranties and are serviced here in the states which is a plus.

 

[flyer]

I have a Tract Toric and Bushnell LRHSi, LRTSi. If I had a good reason to spend on a scope, I might try the $800 Steiner 4-16x56. Hopefully it's glass would stand up to comparison.

There might be one or two other bargain scopes in the less than $1,300 segment but the Tract is hard to beat.

 

[Hawk777th]

Thanks for the reply’s! What are my options for rings or mounts that have cant for the Tract?

The Scar 20s and my Ssg don’t have rails that have any slope.

 

[flyer]

Burris XTR Signature rings probably.

 

[EastCOYotes]

A lot of canted unimounts out there good for bolt gun but I’m not familiar with the selection for cantilevers

 

[antithesis]

I have 1 Burris. An XTR II 8-40. The glass is okay, the turrets suck. Were stiff from the beginning and only got worse over time. I don't dial it much as it is mounted to a 300 yard bench gun, but at some point I need to send it back to Burris and have them go over it.

Maybe I have the 1 in 1,000. But if I am on the other end of the spectrum then the recommendation would be to look elsewhere.

 

[Glassaholic]

Check out the badger 22 moa riser, allows you to use standard rings and gives you the height for flat tops, I’ve use one for my AR’s and really like it. The riser is 0.430" high - https://triadtactical.com/badger-base-ar-riser-rail-22moa/

Here is a pick with the 22 moa riser with Tract Toric and ARC rings on AR-15 and another on an AR-10 with Kahles and ERA-TAC QD rings, you'll notice that the riser actually has a forward extension which helps set the scope out further, especially on small frame AR's and some scopes with limited mounting area.

 

[stilesg57]

Different classes of scopes IMO and their prices reflect that. The PRS reticle Toric is $1300 and there are XTRII’s going for like 70% of that. Few if any who had the former would trade it for the latter, which kinda says it all.

Shopping for a long range optic I recently got to look through a (non-PRS reticle) Toric and it was as good or better than any glass I’ve looked through, including the g2 Razor that I ultimately bought. My buddy’s 4-20x XTR is nice and I really like the turrets but it really doesn’t compare optically.

I ALMOST got the Toric with the new reticle — it was that good — but got a screaming deal on the Razor and I like the add’l mag, tube and objective size. If I was fine with 20x on top I’d probably have the Toric right now.