Your Definition of a Sniper Rifle

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I ask because on another forum a guy had listed a "5r custom sniper rifle". So I asked and I quote " Isn't a "sniper rifle" only a "sniper rifle" when it is used by a "sniper" for "snipeing". He said that this rifle was used for competion target shooting. I also said that a "sniper" (which he also hinted he was) using a rifle to shoot targets does not make it a "sniper rifle" either. Its only my opinion of course but I dont think he liked it. I dont think the moderator did either. Maybe its petty but I hate it when dudes sell their rifles and list them as "sniper rifles".
I should add that I said if this is a real "sniper rifle" used for snipeing then it is way under priced and that a collecter would probablly pay 3 0r 4 times what he was asking.
That some how pissed them off.
So what do you think makes a rifle a sniper rifle.
 

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I agree with your post though, I have a precision rifle that I use for comps, and it's only designated a sniper rifle when I build forts in my moms basement.
 

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remau308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree with your post though, I have a precision rifle that I use for comps, and it's only designated a sniper rifle when I build forts in my moms basement. </div></div>


Why cant that dude see it that way?
 

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You think that's bad? I'm from Georgia, go onto the outdoors trader in Georgia and look how many snipers are selling their sniper rifles. It's pretty comical.
 

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Adding my .02 here. In my opinion, the phrase "sniper rifle" is essentially a brand by which people use to refer to describe precision rifles. Many wish they could be a "sniper" thereby using the flashy phrase "sniper rifle" sounds much more appealing to the masses. A "sniper" is a trained and skilled individual that has earned the title. A rifle shot by a "sniper" could be referred to as a "sniper's rifle" but is still ultimately a precision rifle. Again, just my .02.
 

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As I've stated in other topics, it's only a "sniper rifle" when it's in the hands of a properly trained sniper and it's being used for the intended purpose for which the individual was trained.
 

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what is a hunting rifle in the hands of someone who doesn't hunt? what is a benchrest rifle in the hands of someone who couldn't hit a barn with it? is a f-class rifle no longer a f-class rifle if the person who owns it has never shot a f-class match?
 

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^^^^ Exactly Killshot.

IMHO, the sniper is a highly trained military specialist who has passed rigorous evaluations for both physical and mental ability... and who has a specific and specialized mission. They are in the top fraction of a percent of soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines.

Owning a good rifle does not make a sniper and using that title any time or any place denigrates those who have earned the tab.

Cheers,

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what is a hunting rifle in the hands of someone who doesn't hunt? what is a benchrest rifle in the hands of someone who couldn't hit a barn with it? is a f-class rifle no longer a f-class rifle if the person who owns it has never shot a f-class match? </div></div>



Are you answering a question with a question? Ok let me think about that for a minute.........
 

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    My understanding, perhpaps inaccurate, is that the 5R was designed by Remington especially for use by troops for long range engagements....Snipers. That it is used for other purposes is a side note. While a Weatherby my be used to eliminate people, it wa not designed essentially for that purpose. It was designed as a hunting rifle. Thus the 5r designation means "sniper rifle". I am, not a sniper, btw, just a guy who loves his 5R which shoots with most custonm builds, out of the box.

    Correct me if I err.
     

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    A sniper rifle is that thing that killed you and you didn't knonw that it was coming.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I've stated in other topics, it's only a "sniper rifle" when it's in the hands of a properly trained sniper and it's being used for the intended purpose for which the individual was trained. </div></div>

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My understanding, perhpaps inaccurate, is that the 5R was designed by Remington especially for use by troops for long range engagements....Snipers. That it is used for other purposes is a side note. While a Weatherby my be used to eliminate people, it wa not designed essentially for that purpose. It was designed as a hunting rifle. Thus the 5r designation means "sniper rifle". I am, not a sniper, btw, just a guy who loves his 5R which shoots with most custonm builds, out of the box.

    Correct me if I err. </div></div>


    I thought 5r referred to the rifling in the barrel.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a-hull</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So what do you think makes a rifle a sniper rifle. </div></div>

    According to the left wing media, any sort of military rifle is a sniper rifle!
     

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    A sniper rifle is any rifle that is used by a billeted individual in the job titled 'sniper'.
    Anything else is a precision rifle that is used for sporting purposes and competition, ie, such as many of the so called sniper rifles that are owned by members of this forum. You can call it an M40, or whatever you like, but it's just one more precision tool, ie a precision rifle that is used for mostly shooting metal and paper.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A sniper rifle is any rifle that is used by a billeted individual in the job titled 'sniper'.
    Anything else is a precision rifle that is used for sporting purposes and competition, ie, such as many of the so called sniper rifles that are owned by members of this forum. You can call it an M40, or whatever you like, but it's just one more precision tool, ie a precision rifle that is used for mostly shooting metal and paper. </div></div>

    4 D win.
     
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    A sniper rifle is a rifle used by a sniper while sniping.
     

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    Maybe it helps for the masses to think of it as a car. If I go by a car off the lot, never enter it in a race, never been in a race myself, and then put it up for sale as a "RACE CAR" is it? or is it just a car with an exaggerated name?
     

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    the term has zero meaning. much the same as adding the prefix "tactical" to anything has zero meaning. a sniper can turn any firearm into a tool for the purpose of sniping, and at risk of offending all the billeted cool guys serving uncle sugar...snipers been workin the fields way before there was a school for it. sorry if that gets someones tab in a twist.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mpmilton</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe it helps for the masses to think of it as a car. If I go by a car off the lot, never enter it in a race, never been in a race myself, and then put it up for sale as a "RACE CAR" is it? or is it just a car with an exaggerated name? </div></div>

    exactly.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to another thread on here, it takes 4000bucks, a scarf, and a can of Spin-D... </div></div>

    Very good , your paying attention.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what is a hunting rifle in the hands of someone who doesn't hunt? what is a benchrest rifle in the hands of someone who couldn't hit a barn with it? is a f-class rifle no longer a f-class rifle if the person who owns it has never shot a f-class match? </div></div>

    From here on out i wish to be addressed as Lieutenant. I have never served in any of the armed services.

    Thats the equivalent of what people are saying when they call there rifle a sniper rifle and have never been a sniper. If it wasn't built for and used by a sniper its not a 'sniper rifle'. The person hasn't earned the right to rightfully call it that. Some view it as disrespect to the people who have earned it like a person calling himself Lieutenant when he has never served or earned the rank. If he dresses in the correct uniform and refers to himself as Lieutenant does that make him one?
     

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    I have never owned a sniper rifle, and I'm not sure what one is but I did stay in a holiday inn once.
     

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    1)It's a sniper rifle only when Airsoft and Tour of Duty 3 says so!
    2)It is used by a highly trained operator living in thier moms basement.
    3)It can due no real harm except lowering the owners intellectual level.
    4) Does not make the owner late for dinner when his mommie calls him.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mpmilton</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe it helps for the masses to think of it as a car. If I go by a car off the lot, never enter it in a race, never been in a race myself, and then put it up for sale as a "RACE CAR" is it? or is it just a car with an exaggerated name? </div></div>

    lets compare apples to apples here. if i have a car built to the exact same specs as a formula one car, by a builder that builds formula one cars for race teams but i never race it, is it a race car? when i decided to sell it, could i advertise it as a race car?
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rdsii64</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have never owned a sniper rifle, and I'm not sure what one is but I did stay in a holiday inn once. </div></div>

    And that means your a racecar driver, no?
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a-hull</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I ask because on another forum a guy had listed a "5r custom sniper rifle". So I asked and I quote " Isn't a "sniper rifle" only a "sniper rifle" when it is used by a "sniper" for "snipeing". He said that this rifle was used for competion target shooting. I also said that a "sniper" (which he also hinted he was) using a rifle to shoot targets does not make it a "sniper rifle" either. Its only my opinion of course but I dont think he liked it. I dont think the moderator did either. Maybe its petty but I hate it when dudes sell their rifles and list them as "sniper rifles".
    I should add that I said if this is a real "sniper rifle" used for snipeing then it is way under priced and that a collecter would probablly pay 3 0r 4 times what he was asking.
    That some how pissed them off.
    So what do you think makes a rifle a sniper rifle. </div></div>

    I'd bet some guys collect rifles just like millions collect military rifles.

    People don't want an Ar-15 so much as they want an "M-4" with the "cool factor" it implies.

    There isn't anything particularly awful about that. It's no different than dreaming of having an official $275 Major league baseball bat.

    People probably think a sniper rifle is cool.

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    On a technical side- the M24 I used in Sniper school is a real "sniper rifle" in the sense that a wooden bat in a NY Yankee player's hand during game-play, is "a genuine major league baseball bat".

    It was a decent enough rifle, but really I consider it more of a juiced up hunting rifle.

    When I think of what is important in a sniper rifle, I think purpose-built rugged and dependable more than just "accurate hunting rifle". The custom rifles with picatinny rails machined right into the top of the billet action are more "Sniper rifle" than the older M24 in it's HS stock with Leupold scope base.

    If that makes any sense.

    When the Marine corps was trying to make sniper rifles out of M24's in Vietnam, they welded rings and bases to rifles as far as I know [from Peter Senich's Sniper history books]. That's cool. They had the focus right- IE "lets make this thing rugged and dependable".

    The TRG 42 is more of a purpose built platform IMHO.

     

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    I dont think anyone has a problem with people who collect military stuff. Look at at the popularity of spec built rifles. They are built as close to military standards as possible. They are still only clones or replicas.
    If a rifle has been used by law enforcement or military for shooting people by a sniper, then I think that makes it a sniper rifle. In most cases a rifle used to shoot people by someone who is not military or l.E. is called a murder weapon isnt it.
     

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    Shouldn't it be a sniper's rifle, not sniper rifle?

    I'm feeling like it should be a rifle possessed by a sniper.

    Just my .02
     

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    its a sniper rifle if you have put the bolt knob in your ass at least once, cause thats what real snipers do to personalize the scent of their precious
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A sniper rifle is any rifle that is used by a billeted individual in the job titled 'sniper'.
    Anything else is a precision rifle that is used for sporting purposes and competition, ie, such as many of the so called sniper rifles that are owned by members of this forum. You can call it an M40, or whatever you like, but it's just one more precision tool, ie a precision rifle that is used for mostly shooting metal and paper. </div></div>

    4 D win. </div></div>

    this line of thought is flawed and it goes against the whole notion of guns being separate from the intention/profile of the user (which they are because they're inanimate objects).

    So a BB gun suddenly becomes a sniper rifle if a qualified sniper wields it? Of course not. It's still a BB gun. A pistol suddenly becomes a gangster gun because a gangster wields it? Of course not, it's still just a pistol.

    Sniper rifle, or hunting rifle or benchrest rifle if anything, is something that's configured to perform the tasks needed of a sniper/hunter/benchrest shooter. Just because the owner might be a 300lbs desk jockey who never fires the thing doesn't mean it's not task-appropriate.

    You could say that any sniper-appropriate rifle would at least be a high precision rifles with optics and ergonomic suited to stealth, concealed deployment and whatever else the sniper needs from it (appropriate caliber etc).

    The skill and qualifications of the user do not determine the object.
     

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    In todays world, Sniper, like Tactical is a title given to an object so you can jack up the price of said item.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In todays world, Sniper, like Tactical is a title given to an object so you can jack up the price of said item. </div></div>

    "tactical" is the new "billet" or "aircraft aluminum".

    the people that are so concerned with someone calling a rifle a "sniper rifle" probably shouldn't be on a internet forum called "sniper's hide" unless they are a "sniper".
     

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    It sounds like a case of "Political Correctness".

    The definition of PC is to prevent someone from getting their feelings hurt, when what they really need to do is STFU and put on some big boy pants.

    Why be concerned with what someone else calls their rifle? It's called marketing, to attract a buyer who is looking for a particular type of rifle.
     

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    I don't agree with trying to sell it as a sniper rifle but describing it as such seems okay. Kind of like the M-4s, they're never a real M-4 but when you tell someone that they have a general idea of what you mean. If I said I had a M40 or a M24, someone might not know what that is but if I add "sniper rifle" they have a general idea of what I mean. Still don't agree with trying to sell it as a sniper rifle though
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In todays world, Sniper, like Tactical is a title given to an object so you can jack up the price of said item. </div></div>

    "tactical" is the new "billet" or "aircraft aluminum".

    the people that are so concerned with someone calling a rifle a "sniper rifle" probably shouldn't be on a internet forum called "sniper's hide" unless they are a "sniper". </div></div>

    and 'hiding'...
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It sounds like a case of "Political Correctness".

    The definition of PC is to prevent someone from getting their feelings hurt, when what they really need to do is STFU and put on some big boy pants.

    Why be concerned with what someone else calls their rifle? It's called marketing, to attract a buyer who is looking for a particular type of rifle. </div></div>

    Actually, the proper definition of 'Political Correctness' is the idea that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. But, yes, I agree with what you've said.
     

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    I guess this argument will never cease, so I'm just gonna throw my 2 cents worth in . . .

    I associate the term "sniper" exclusively with military hostilities wherein combatants are committed to killing one another for their respective governments or political factions.

    To me a sniper is a person who has been designated with the mission of eliminating enemy personel from a concealed position for psychological disruption of the enemy's morale whenever and wherever possible.

    A sniper shoots unsuspecting combatants.

    LEO's who are designated as marksmen, or what have you, are charged with the mission of reducing the threat from a hostile person when all other forms of negotiation or coercion have failed to resolve the hostile situation.

    Big difference in my opinion.

    A sniper is an offensive tool, the LEO designated shooter is a defensive tool.

    A "sniper rifle" is any weapon employed by a sniper to execute his mission (this might be a rife, shotgun or what have you, it's just that generally a rifle is used because of it's inherent accuracy and long range capability)

    Just my opinion.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killer Spade 13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess this argument will never cease, so I'm just gonna throw my 2 cents worth in . . .

    I associate the term "sniper" exclusively with military hostilities wherein combatants are committed to killing one another for their respective governments or political factions.

    To me a sniper is a person who has been designated with the mission of eliminating <span style="font-style: italic">[/i]</span>enemy personel from a concealed position for psychological disruption of the enemy's morale whenever and wherever possible.

    A sniper shoots unsuspecting combatants.

    LEO's who are designated as marksmen, or what have you, are charged with the mission of reducing the threat from a hostile person when all other forms of negotiation or coercion have failed to resolve the hostile situation.

    Big difference in my opinion.

    A sniper is an offensive tool, the LEO designated shooter is a defensive tool.

    A "sniper rifle" is any weapon employed by a sniper to execute his mission (this might be a rife, shotgun or what have you, it's just that generally a rifle is used because of it's inherent accuracy and long range capability)

    Just my opinion. </div></div>


    Those are probablly the best explainations so far,in my opinion. Atleast they make sense to me.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">its a sniper rifle if you have put the bolt knob in your ass at least once, cause thats what real snipers do to personalize the scent of their precious </div></div>
    That was funny!!
     

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    their is no such thing as a "sniper rifle" their is only presison rifles a 10/22 can be used as a "sniper rifle" that don't make it so.

    its like race cars, you can make a pento a race car, in my eyes their all cars it the guy holding the wheel that matters. and that person defines it.

    i love the guys talking about sniper rifles,
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lets compare apples to apples here. if i have a car built to the exact same specs as a formula one car, by a builder that builds formula one cars for race teams but i never race it, is it a race car? when i decided to sell it, could i advertise it as a race car?</div></div>

    Yes but if you built a Ferrari out of a Datsun 280z in your garage is it really a Ferrari? Alot of the time the keyboard commandos that call their rifles 'sniper rifles' are just some POS parts they screwed together and slapped a counter sniper scope on it and tried to sell it for a ridiculous price as a 'sniper rifle'. If you have an M40 clone like the ones built by GAP or someone else thats different. Like if you have an F1 car built. But likely you wouldn't build a Datsun in your garage and put Ferrari badges on it and go around telling everybody it's a Ferrari would you? Or like those tools who run around in Mazda Miata's with Ferrari badges everywhere on it like they're fooling anyone. If you have a kit car clone that you had built to spec cause your an enthusiast but dont have the funds for an original than thats different IMO which isn't always right, im just saying those guys annoy me and im not even a sniper!
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From here on out i wish to be addressed as Lieutenant. I have never served in any of the armed services. </div></div>

    Hey MuleHunter, I got you beat.

    I'm changing my first name to Colonel so when I make LT I can be Lt. Colonel xxxx
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    I beleive you are correct in your statement and that it is the proper definition.
     

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    i still belive its not the equipment its the motion of the ocean. anything can be anything it takes some one to pick it up. if you give a m40 to a 8 yr old , not going to happen, you give a 22 to a skilled marksman, its only limitation is itself