Im getting 2475 with my 14.5” GFR with hornady black at 50 rounds in. Not a huge difference in velocity.Here is my velocity from my 18" GFR Recce.
Im getting 2475 with my 14.5” GFR with hornady black at 50 rounds in. Not a huge difference in velocity.Here is my velocity from my 18" GFR Recce.
How does the 14.5 group?To add a little further data out there, I chronographed my Geissele 14.5” and 18” 6arc rifles (18” chrome-lined) this weekend.
Factory Hornady 6arc ELD-M 108gr
14.5” - at 50 rounds total through it - 2415fps
18” - at 35 rounds total through it - 2519fps
How does the 14.5 group?
Below is a group from a new 14.5 SS Proof Research barrel & factory 108 ELDM. I've had two Proof SS 6 ARC barrels (16" & 14.5") and both shoot consistently sub MOA with the 108 ELDM factory ammo.
They are dumb accurate everyone is getting way under half inch groups with factory loads and yes 100 yard groups. I’m building a craddock 18” right now but I’m gona grab one of these in 18” when I’m not poor lolJust so I’m clear…as there are some 50y groups and wonky shit these days….
You’re saying this is:
5 rounds
100y
Factory Hornady ammo
Out of an AR
He’s got a proof but the geiselle 6mm arc is crazy accurate they have a new gas system tooJust so I’m clear…as there are some 50y groups and wonky shit these days….
You’re saying this is:
5 rounds
100y
Factory Hornady ammo
Out of an AR
YesJust so I’m clear…as there are some 50y groups and wonky shit these days….
You’re saying this is:
5 rounds
100y
Factory Hornady ammo
Out of an AR
Everyone you say?They are dumb accurate everyone is getting way under half inch groups
Every review I watched on YouTube the one guy selling multiple 6 arc geissele ars on here. I have a craddock 14.5 I’m getting 1.25 at 200 yards right now with factory loads I’m gona try my luck with their 18” but yes zero bad reviews that I’ve seen and I’ve watched several reviewsEveryone you say?
Everyone you say?
Bad reviews don't help one quit one's day job or get free shit for content. Depending on who you watch...you may never hear a bad review ever. (Just saying, not trying to get into who in the YT cesspool isn't trash). There are some very high end shooters I've watched struggle in real time with the ARC though....and given the nature AR accuracy builds, it's a tolerance stacking nightmare that the barrel alone can't save one from...at least in my experience. For the Barrel Gods work in mysterious (and sometimes infuriating) ways....Yay.Every review I watched on YouTube the one guy selling multiple 6 arc geissele ars on here. I have a craddock 14.5 I’m getting 1.25 at 200 yards right now with factory loads I’m gona try my luck with their 18” but yes zero bad reviews that I’ve seen and I’ve watched several reviews
Bad reviews don't help one quit one's day job or get free shit for content. Depending on who you watch...you may never hear a bad review ever. (Just saying, not trying to get into who in the YT cesspool isn't trash). There are some very high end shooters I've watched struggle in real time with the ARC though....and given the nature AR accuracy builds, it's a tolerance stacking nightmare that the barrel alone can't save one from...at least in my experience. For the Barrel Gods work in mysterious (and sometimes infuriating) ways....Yay.
Cheers Fellas
@Paris_Bulks,
Honey of a group!
What powder are you running?I'm betting Geissele went with longer "NATO" type throats for reliability.
With Proof CF barrels and an older lot of Hornady 108 ELD-M:
14.5" 2560 FPS
18" 2660 FPS
Current batch is a lot slower in 18". Haven't tried it in the 14.5".
The older lot was also noticeably temperature sensitive. One degree F gave a 2 FPS difference. Have not had the chance to try warmer temps with the new lot.
Here are some recent velocity/SD numbers (10 plus round sample size) with brand new Proof CF barrels shooting Hornady 103 ELD-X:
18" 2627 FPS / SD 12.2 FPS
18" 2629 FPS / SD 10.6 FPS
16" 2568 FPS / SD 13.4 FPS
All were sub-MOA, with one 18" breaking half-MOA in the last of three groups and the 16" going half-MOA on the second group. That's with a 75 year old wearing trifocals shooting off a bipod.![]()
It depends on team composition and mission. NSW is currently fielding multiple longer range alternatives including 5.56, 6ARC, 6.5CM, .308, Sig 6.8, 300 WM, 300 Norma. They may use bigger but I did not see them (some of these may be under evaluation as opposed to actual use).How well do these do against barriers? I think the purpose of this rifle is to be lightweight and have further reach than 5.56, but if this rifle is to replace a .308 gas gun right?
That makes a lot of sense and is what I figured. I remember reading a comment from a former NSWDG member stating he used his 417 primarily for vehicle take down, and that made sense to me. I thought the 6 ARC GFR rifle was going to replace that system, but it sounds like it is more so replacing longer barreled 5.56 guns by providing a similar size package at a lighter weight and greater overall lethality at extended ranges.It depends on team composition and mission. NSW is currently fielding multiple longer range alternatives including 5.56, 6ARC, 6.5CM, .308, Sig 6.8, 300 WM, 300 Norma. They may use bigger but I did not see them (some of these may be under evaluation as opposed to actual use).
With regard to 6ARC specifically, it is important to remember that there are two bids. One is an assaulter variant which I don't believe has been awarded yet and one was a sniper variant. The thought process as explained to me is that it is the same small frame weapons platform that they all are used to using. The advantage is greater lethality at all ranges when compared to 5.56. The weight of the system rifle plus 11 mags is within 5 or 6 pounds of the 556 loadout (don't fuss at me, there are a bunch of submissions and it can move up and down depending on which rifle, barrel length, ect.) The greater lethality at any range was the important point.
I can't speak for the GFR, but my 18" Proof SS behaves the same (ELD VTs are 2.5 MOA). I do not know why the VT doesn't work as well, but I did find a 0.8 MOA load of 75 VMAX over TAC pretty easily (no seating depth testing yet). I've not shot black or ELD X out of this one yet.I picked up this 18" Geissele GFR used here on the hide. Here are some my results with factory Hornady ammo. Can someone please tell me why the 80 eldvt is so bad in this gun? I really want that bullet to work.
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I picked up this 18" Geissele GFR used here on the hide. Here are some my results with factory Hornady ammo. Can someone please tell me why the 80 eldvt is so bad in this gun? I really want that bullet to work.
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I can't speak for the GFR, but my 18" Proof SS behaves the same (ELD VTs are 2.5 MOA). I do not know why the VT doesn't work as well, but I did find a 0.8 MOA load of 75 VMAX over TAC pretty easily (no seating depth testing yet). I've not shot black or ELD X out of this one yet.
Interestingly, my barrel is 100 fps faster than book at the charge weight (29.9gr of TAC, 75 VMAX, 1.662" BTO) which is nice. My beam scale could be off, but it shouldn't be that far off. Need to chrono the factory 108's again, those were close to 0.5 MOA from this rifle but have been shooting Vmax's at yotes for now
Those don’t look like the groups he posted unless he was reloadingI picked up this 18" Geissele GFR used here on the hide. Here are some my results with factory Hornady ammo. Can someone please tell me why the 80 eldvt is so bad in this gun? I really want that bullet to work.
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I wish I knew the answer to that as well. Looks like we got similar results on the v match.I picked up this 18" Geissele GFR used here on the hide. Here are some my results with factory Hornady ammo. Can someone please tell me why the 80 eldvt is so bad in this gun? I really want that bullet to work.
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