Rifle Scopes So I bought a “Just As Good”, Burris XTR3
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I like a .5 reticle personally. Never had trouble dividing the halves in half to get a quarter.
Seems like some good deals:
www.eurooptic.com
Burris Optics Closeouts
Designed, machined, and assembled in the United States, the Burris Xtreme Tactical riflescope is a prime example of expert riflescope craftsmanship. While supplies last, enjoy huge savings on select Burris Xtreme Tactical II & III riflescopes
The only thing that is in stock is the XTR II with the non-xmas tree reticles. I dont know if I trust placing a backorder for a XTR III or Pro.Seems like some good deals:
Burris Optics Closeouts
Designed, machined, and assembled in the United States, the Burris Xtreme Tactical riflescope is a prime example of expert riflescope craftsmanship. While supplies last, enjoy huge savings on select Burris Xtreme Tactical II & III riflescopes
Maybe something that rhymes with Schmiberty popsicle.
No kidding, he could have come up with something closer like Bibberty Cocktricks.
Are you joking? Have you never heard of EuroOptic before? EuroOptic has been around for a VERY long time. They're an exceptional company. They just built a HUGE showroom in PA where they have pretty much one of everything they sell on display for you to get hands-on with. They're one of the most legit optics dealers you can buy from. They even have guys here on the forum that work for them like @Euro.Connor . They're not just some random jackleg selling shit out of his basement/garage like that Liberty Optics douchebag. They actually have a brick & mortar showroom floor.
I guess we get to see what the fuss is a about
@redneckbmxer24 we gotta test this. I have the USA 3-18 and my Steiner too
@redneckbmxer24 we gotta test this. I have the USA 3-18 and my Steiner too
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I've had that same scope for over a year now... You're going to like it. At the $1000 sales price, it's almost stupid NOT to buy one. You'll see why once you get it outside and look through it.
I’m sure this might have been mentioned somewhere in the last 4 pages of this thread, but do any of you know how a XTR III or Pro compares to a Cronus BTR? I have a Cronus BTR and I really like it and I’m looking for another scope for a 20” 308 build. A 3-18 would work great and I don’t really need the power of the Cronus, but the recent used prices on the Cronus plus the fact I already have one, could sway me unless these XTR III’s in the 3-18 are really that good. Also, if I remember correctly, the 3-18‘s made in the Philippines are better than the dandruff Dan USA made units?
I like my all of my Cronus scopes, I have three, but the Burris 3-18 is is really good too, especially at that price. I have the 3-18 with the SCR reticle and the 5.5-30 with the SCR2 reticle. I'd say the XTRIII vs the Cronus is close in glass, XTR has a wider view, reticle is good in both, I still like the Cronus reticle a little better but I've used it a lot more as well. Haven't looked through a pro model, though I'm tempted at the eurooptic price.
The XTR's have better FOV and eye box, but the Cronus has better resolution than the Xtr3 and slightly better resolution than the Pro. Cronus controls CA much better than either XTR
I had a 3.3-18 XTR3i for a short time. Sent it to Burris as it was horrible in low light at or above 15x. They sent it back saying it was withing spec. I sold it right after.
I've now had mine to the range a few times, I wouldn't say I hate it, but I'm also not planning to run out and buy more of them.
So most of my range guns either wear a Vortex Razor 4.5-27 Gen 2, or PST 2, 5-25's. I'm not a big comp guy, I don't rely on my guns for anything other than enjoying at the range, so take my thoughts as you will.
Optics wise, it's good and bad. Resolution wise, it's quite nice, it struggles over 25x but it's better at 25x than the PST 2 is at 25x noticeably so, at 20x they are both pretty even. I tend to zero/group test at 25x so I give the nod to the XTR III being nicer at 25x for sure, and of course getting an extra 5x never hurts, but I usually don't dial to max anyway. The reticle is certainly nicer to use at 5x than the PST 2, however here again I spend almost zero time at 5x. As others have mentioned it's not great in low light, our range opens at 7am and on a cloudy day like this morning the PST 2 was noticeably brighter but both were useable. I wouldn't put either on my hunting guns so extreme low light performance is not an issue for me aside to note I was surprised it was obviously darker. I prefer the center dot of the EBR-7C, but the small crosshair worked perfectly well, and that's pretty much personal preference. I do like the locking diopter adjustment of the XTR III, and I found it quite easy to adjust. Eyebox was nice, I'd say more forgiving at 20-25x than the PST 2, but that's probably because it's not at max power. At max power I'd say they are pretty close eyebox wise.
Where the XTR III at least mine, is very disappointing is the knobs. The elevation knob has 0.05mil lash/slop, but nice solid/loud clicks, but the windage knob clicks are so light and mushy I can't dial it by feel at the range, something I'd expect to run into in a $300 scope, not a $1100 one. Removing the turret o-ring would probably help the clicks feel more solid, esp. since the turret knob really fits tight on the o-rings, but that could be compromising the sealing of the optic, it also does nothing for the elevation knob slop. I did try to "cheat" the knob and see if slop/lash impacted elevation, IE is the lash just there or is it impacting elevation, both visually and in groups I could not see a difference, but it feels "cheap". That said I could get past it, and probably never notice it shooting. I have several PST 2's and none of them have that issue, the PST clicks are not as hard and audible as the XTR III elevation knob, but much better than the XTR III windage knob, they are consistent where the XTR III windage I can barely feel behind the gun. If you always hold windage I guess it doesn't matter. I don't use the zero stop as I have it setup on a .22 and elevation/zero changes pretty significantly when testing ammo. Bottom line for me is I've never had a problem dialing a PST 2 by click feel, and on the XTR III I can't do that for windage, and even visually it's very hard to see/feel when the knob has settled in a click.
The PST 2 5-25x might be old, and folks love to pick on it, but considering they often end up on sale recently in the $700 range these days, I'd still consider it a really good deal for just a range optic. Burris would have to address the knobs before I'd consider buying another one, esp. with the reports here of people sending them back only to get the same thing back saying it's fine. If they fixed the knobs, I could see slowly swapping out some PST 2's for them. The XTR III's used to be cheaper but now seem to be settled in that $1100 range at the cheapest I could find. That's a 55% increase from a PST 2 at $700, also the cheapest price I could find currently, so it's a significant jump % wise in "best deal" pricing.
So most of my range guns either wear a Vortex Razor 4.5-27 Gen 2, or PST 2, 5-25's. I'm not a big comp guy, I don't rely on my guns for anything other than enjoying at the range, so take my thoughts as you will.
Optics wise, it's good and bad. Resolution wise, it's quite nice, it struggles over 25x but it's better at 25x than the PST 2 is at 25x noticeably so, at 20x they are both pretty even. I tend to zero/group test at 25x so I give the nod to the XTR III being nicer at 25x for sure, and of course getting an extra 5x never hurts, but I usually don't dial to max anyway. The reticle is certainly nicer to use at 5x than the PST 2, however here again I spend almost zero time at 5x. As others have mentioned it's not great in low light, our range opens at 7am and on a cloudy day like this morning the PST 2 was noticeably brighter but both were useable. I wouldn't put either on my hunting guns so extreme low light performance is not an issue for me aside to note I was surprised it was obviously darker. I prefer the center dot of the EBR-7C, but the small crosshair worked perfectly well, and that's pretty much personal preference. I do like the locking diopter adjustment of the XTR III, and I found it quite easy to adjust. Eyebox was nice, I'd say more forgiving at 20-25x than the PST 2, but that's probably because it's not at max power. At max power I'd say they are pretty close eyebox wise.
Where the XTR III at least mine, is very disappointing is the knobs. The elevation knob has 0.05mil lash/slop, but nice solid/loud clicks, but the windage knob clicks are so light and mushy I can't dial it by feel at the range, something I'd expect to run into in a $300 scope, not a $1100 one. Removing the turret o-ring would probably help the clicks feel more solid, esp. since the turret knob really fits tight on the o-rings, but that could be compromising the sealing of the optic, it also does nothing for the elevation knob slop. I did try to "cheat" the knob and see if slop/lash impacted elevation, IE is the lash just there or is it impacting elevation, both visually and in groups I could not see a difference, but it feels "cheap". That said I could get past it, and probably never notice it shooting. I have several PST 2's and none of them have that issue, the PST clicks are not as hard and audible as the XTR III elevation knob, but much better than the XTR III windage knob, they are consistent where the XTR III windage I can barely feel behind the gun. If you always hold windage I guess it doesn't matter. I don't use the zero stop as I have it setup on a .22 and elevation/zero changes pretty significantly when testing ammo. Bottom line for me is I've never had a problem dialing a PST 2 by click feel, and on the XTR III I can't do that for windage, and even visually it's very hard to see/feel when the knob has settled in a click.
The PST 2 5-25x might be old, and folks love to pick on it, but considering they often end up on sale recently in the $700 range these days, I'd still consider it a really good deal for just a range optic. Burris would have to address the knobs before I'd consider buying another one, esp. with the reports here of people sending them back only to get the same thing back saying it's fine. If they fixed the knobs, I could see slowly swapping out some PST 2's for them. The XTR III's used to be cheaper but now seem to be settled in that $1100 range at the cheapest I could find. That's a 55% increase from a PST 2 at $700, also the cheapest price I could find currently, so it's a significant jump % wise in "best deal" pricing.
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