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Random PRS scope recital question

Hello everyone,

Just more of a curiosity question but for PRS matches are competitors starting to trend back to more conventual scope recitals? For example Leupold's PR3 or ZC's MPCT1X. I know the majority of shooters still use Xmas tree but recently I have seen more than a few people switch to the MK4HD with that PR3 recital. Personally I don't see any advantage the PR3 has on the PR2 especially if there is any amount of wind and I'm shooting a stage where it is better to hold over than to dial. What do you guys think?

Side note the MK4HD/MK5HD with the PR2 recital deserves an illuminated recital.

Straight wall cartridge in axsa

Arkansas just legalized straight wall cartridges for my deer hunting zone. Rather then build a 4K rifle I was curious if anyone has ever ran a 450 bushmaster or similar in an ai. A 800$ barrel sounds better then going all out on a rifle I can only use two weeks out of the year. Unfortunately every time I buy something that’s reasonably priced I come up disappointed so cheaper factory rifle isn’t really in consideration.

SOLD Vortex Gen 3 Razor HD 6-36 MRAD with Hawkins Rings

I have a Gen 3 Razor HD 6-36x56 Mrad scope with the EBR-7D reticle up for grabs.
It can be purchased with Hawkins Heavy Tac 34mm rings also.

Scope is in very good shape but tried to show any marks in the pictures. I don’t still have the box for it.

Price: $2000 without rings
$2150 with rings

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Firearms GAP 7prc

GAP Templar 7 mm prc, 24” bartlein 5r carbon fiber wrapped barrel, manners uc ultra plus stock defiance ant x action, bix & andy trigger set @ 1.5 lbs, Hawkins bottom metal can come with Zco 4x20scope in moa reticle 8500$ for package or 5500$ for rifle 3000$ for scope & Hawkins rings it has less than 15 rounds thru it to sight it in, have box & paperwork for both

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SOLD Primal rights CPS - competition primer seater

New setup only CPS (Competition primer seater). Comes with everything as it did from the factory. New they are $675 asking $575.


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SOLD A&D FX-120i Scale

Setup and never used A&D FX-120i scale. Asking $475. Sold the V4 auto trickler that came with it. Doesn't have a top as that went with the auto trickler but if you are gonna use it with an auto trickler it will come with a top.


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SOLD Henderson powered case trimmer Gen 3

Asking $800 shipped. Setup but never used. Its brand new and will ship with cutting heads for 6.5mm and 6mm. Comes with optional brass bin and shaving containment system.


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SOLD Nightforce ATACR, Leupold Mark 6, Badger COMM

Nightforce ATACR 1-8x24 with FC-DM reticle. $2050 SOLD shipped.

Leupold Mark 6 1-6x24 with TMR-D reticle. $1300 shipped.

Badger Ordnance COMM (34mm/1.54”) FDE. Includes top mounted RMR ring and original ring. $300 SOLD shipped.

Payment: PayPal F&F, Venmo F&F, Zelle, CashApp, or Apple Pay.

Trades (+/- Cash):
-6.5 Barrel Carbon Fiber Blank or Nucleus prefit (Bartlein, Proof, etc.)
-FDE Red Dot (EXPS 3, AEMS, ACRO, etc.)
-7”-7.5” Rail (SLR, Geissele, VSeven, etc.)
-BCG (SLR, Triarc, Seekins, or Rainier)
-Garmin Xero C1 Pro Chronograph
-FDE Weapon Light (Surefire, Modlite, Arisaka, etc.)

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SOLD Manners Prs Tcs 700 SA

SOLD: Up for sale Manners PRS TCS right hand rem. 700 SA. Copper, Full weight kit in arca, 1 buttstock weight, sikes rail and clutch. Great shape, some scratches around Magwell and bottom of buttstock. Pm- ZELLE or PPFF. $1350 Shipped. No trades

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Does anyone still use case gauges?

I still use them.

I called redding today because I bought a set (sizer and bullet seater) of redding competition full length bushing dies. I had only ever sized brand new brass with it as I only bought this set about 6-8 months ago and rand about 500-600 pieces of new brass for uniformity and neck tension with a mandrel after sizing. Before this I had always just used plain die sets with expander balls.

Well today I started loading some of my once fired brass in that caliber and it wouldn't fit a case gauge.....I checked everything thinking maybe I was overlooking something simple as of course I am human and no....it just won't fit a case gauge.

so I grabbed my RCBS match master set (which I actually like better) and after adjusting it to bump about 2 thousandths, it fits a case gauge, snug but it fits.

So I called up Redding to inquire and the older gentleman on the phone asked me "well does it chamber?" and of course it does since it was shot in that rifle. to which he replied "case gauges don't mean ANYTHING and you shouldn't bother with one". I explained to him I have several rifles in that caliber and will most definitely make probably 5 or 6 more in the next year or two and would prefer to have ammo that I know will fit them all......He didn't appreciate that at all. I said thank you and ended my call.


So I wonder, am I the only one left using case guages? I use one for every caliber I load. While it's true someone could make decent ammo without one.....

If I try to picture someone NOT using a case gauge all I see if a old fudd using a lee hand loader making 5 rounds of 30/06 or something similar for dear season so he can use three of them to sight in his ruger model 70 for the season and then miss with the other two.

PRS Talk Explain the hype

Just curious about the hype behind the .25 cal trend in PRS.

When looking at the .25 bullets available, I'm struggling to get the point in the trend.

a 6.5 mm 135gr Atip compared to a .25 135gr LRHT, there is a slight advantage to the .25 but really minimal ( .321 VS .334)

It there a .25 139gr Atip with a G7 > .350 or similar BC/weight gain being used/tested par some happy few?

Firearms Staccato XL Limited Edition (Island Barrel)

For sale is a very lightly used Staccato XL Limited Edition with TiN Island Barrel. I've put approximately 750 rounds through it between 2 USPSA matches and a couple practice sessions. I really like the pistol but want to purchase a MPA DS9 for dedicated competition use. Overall it’s in outstanding condition (some minor scratches in the magwell from use). This will make a great competition gun or addition to someone's collection. It includes 2 magazines, the case, and the Holosun 507Comp (purchased with this pistol). Our Staccato rep said they only made 600 of these. Will not ship overseas or to California, Illinois, NY or DC. If you're local to the Colorado Springs area, I'm more than happy to meet up. Will complete transfer through a FFL. Asking $6000. If you have any questions, please reach out.
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SOLD 1973 Colt Python 4” Royal Blue Excellent condition

SOLD

Excellent condition 4” Colt Python 357 magnum in royal blue finish from 1973. Gun is in excellent condition with a very low round count. Has very slight wear on end of muzzle from holster. Very slick action. $1,650 shipped from my FFL to your FFL. Located in Texas.

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Ballistic calculators disagree with my actual elevation amounts - help please!

Hi all,

I have two rifles chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor (Ruger RPR and Accuracy International AT-X) both with Vortex Razor HD Gen 2 scopes. I shoot at a range with known distances from 100-1200 yards in 100 yard increments.

My rifles are zeroed for 100 yards and I have dope settings for 100, 200, 300 and 600 yards. I've tried a variety of different calculators (Hornady 4DOF, Vortex, several others). They all seem consistent in their come up values which don't match either of my rifles. For instance with the RPR at 600 yards they state around 12.8MOA come up while I have to actually dial 14.5 - a big difference! With the AI, the calculators state 1.35 come up at 200 yards when I actually have to dial -0.25 from my 100 yard zero.

I'm using a Garmin chrono so have accurate MV. I'm using Hornady ELDM 147gr factory ammo so know the bullet weight, am specifying barrel twist, sight height over barrel, temperature etc.

Is there an explanation why the calculators seem so far off vs my two rifles?

I want to shoot at 1000 yards and have no dope for that. How can I use a calculator to determine that? Should I change the bullet G7 BC to accurately match the come up at 600 yards and then use the 1000 yard figure the calculator then suggests?

All gems of experience welcome!

Thanks.
Graham
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